December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Third World Man
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:50 PM 8/22/95, MONTY HARDER wrote: >TC> When a certain character in a television show referred to "Third World >TC> mutants," he was also referring to "your basic brown types." (His words, >TC> not mine. Ten credits to anyone who can identify the t.v. show and the >TC> character.) > > "Hill Street Blues", Lt. Howard Hunter. Congratulations! Two other people said "Archie Bunker"/"All in the Family." A good guess, but it was indeed Howard. >TC> The term "Fourth World" has in the last 20 years come to refer to the >TC> countries which are so impoverished as to be almost hopeless. Bangla Desh >TC> is the canonical Fourth World nation. > > Cyberia is the "Fifth World", akin to the "Fifth Dimension". Let the >sun shine.... The dawning of the age of Aquarius? --Tim May ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Certificates/Anonymity/Policy/True Names
by Michael Froomkin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 21 Aug 1995, Bill Stewart wrote: > can be substantial even if the suit is bogus.) Under what conditions do > you expect somebody to sue a CA? CA certifies key saying that holder has corporate power to enter into deals upto $1million. Keyholder commits fraud, arguably outside corparate powers. CA certifies you are Jack Ripper based on phony id. In fact you are Sam Spade. CA sued for recovery of ensuing fraud. CA certifies that a document is authentic and time-stamps it. Lawyers did not do due dilligence, books were cooked, everyone who touches document gets sued. In each of these cases, if the CA did exactly what it promises and no more, it (arguably) deserves a way to short-circuit the suit, thus keeping its costs down. Since (in the absence of any rules given the newness of the technology) it is very likely that a rich CA would get nuisance suits every time a deal in which it particiapted went sour, the absence of rules will either raise costs CAs have to charge (e.g. to buy insurance) or will keep rich folk out of the industry (which isn't good either, since you want CAs to buy security and to last). Thus the need for clear liability rules. A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | mfroomki(a)umiami.ir.miami.edu U. Miami School of Law | P.O. Box 248087 | It's hot here. And humid. Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | See http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/6095/articles/froomkin-metaphor/text.html and http://www.law.cornell.edu/jol/froomkin.htm

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Re: Export policy change
by Andrew Loewenstern 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I will cheerfully escrow keys for 1$ ecash/key. Please be advised, > however, that key storage will be on an old 40M RLL drive on an > 8088 machine, so retrieval may be a bit slow and unreliable....... hey, my escrow service will store your keys on modern equipment... Plus, I don't care you encrypt your key (with still-legal, non-exportable, escrow-free, strong-crypto) before you escrow it. :-) andrew

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PGP Linux 5.0b11 feedback?
by PGP Beta Team 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0b11 Linux is available for public beta in the US and Canada via: <http://www.pgp.com/products/50-linux-beta.cgi> and we'd appreciate expert feedback. Should you by some miracle find an actual bug ;) please report it to <PGPlinuxbeta(a)pgp.com>, which is read by those responsible for developing and testing this version. It helps us if the first sentence or two summarizes the problem, and if you include details on how we can reproduce it in SQA, including any hardware/OS configuration info you think relevant. If you have a general [comment] or [feature] request, those are welcome too, but please prepend those meta-tags in the subject so we can easily separate them from a [bug] that needs squashing. The 5.0 code is feature-frozen, but we will definitely put all good ideas in the hopper for the next rev. Thanks! dave __________________________________________________________________________ Dave Del Torto tel: +1.415.596.1781 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc Beta Test Mgr. fax: +1.415.631.1033 555 Twin Dolphin Dr. #570 <beta(a)pgp.com> web: http://beta.pgp.com Redwood Shores CA 94065 PGP Key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x48824435 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBM+AQO1fGZ2VIgkQ1EQKKdQCg8uQtoL9ZJZtwlRO1i0zEJ63bGjQAoPAu XafDxSNHEt3BwCdE/CjiPdEI =rbpv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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uncensorable net based payment system?
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The internet looks like it is slowly moving towards anonymous micropayments for services, and metering for scarce resources. One presumes that in 10-15 years time frame such payments will be pervasive. In such an environment where you can buy bandwidth per Mb at your chosen bit-rate for anonymous ecash, and buy storage per Mb/year, and CPU time per MIPs/year there will be a large amount of readily marketable resources. That is to say high velocity efficient markets will arise for resale of bandwidth, storage and CPU hours. The interesting question then is can we actually base an entirely net based currency on trading of these resources. What would the architecture for such a payment system look like? Design goals would be that it should be: - a distributed system - not involve trusted banks - be immediately exchangeable for any currency - be outside the influence of governments and banks - be immune to government hidden taxations such as printing new money as a form of tax - be immune from government taxation - be a stable form of cash (in the face of rapidly depreciating assets like Mb/years of storage as mass storage devices continue their price plumet.) Possible? Then I can have some net cash savings backed by the rights to 1Tb of bandwidth at 100 Mb/sec. 100 Mb/sec for 3 days. A problem with this is that the market prices of the assets is continually dropping. How do I hedge against this. Can I buy futures? Sell 100 Mb/sec for 3 days now in exchange for 200 Mb/sec for 3 days in 1 years time at an predicted equivalent value? Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dave Hayes <dave(a)kachina.jetcafe.org> writes: > > Not if it's done through the normal operation of the protocol. If articles > > needed more protection, cryptographic elements would have been part of the > > design to begin with. Even David Hayes has admitted that cancels are prote > > free speech. > > I have admitted no such thing. Paul Pomes is a fouil-mouthed liar. Please see his Net.Scum page at http://www.netscum.net/pomesp0.html. Two questions to Tim Skirvin: 1. Why was Paul Pomes fired from UIUC academic computer facility? 2. Does Paul still weigh 400 lbs? > > Keep repeating to yourself, "It's just usenet, it's just usenet....". > > I understand you are reluctant to communicate with those you deem inferior, > however do not deny this to the rest of us that want to talk. That's a very good point. Paul is an enemy of the cypherpunk anonymous remailers. He complains about them to the remailer operators' upstreams and employers. Paul has been sending me obscene and harrassing e-mail and complains to PSI, my upstream, about the contents of the e-mail he thinks originated here. Paul is a poster child for net.censorship. Paul publicly claims to killfile anyone he doesn't like, but then goes out of his way to silence them. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Third World Man
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 22:25 8/21/95, Timothy C. May wrote: >When a certain character in a television show referred to "Third World >mutants," he was also referring to "your basic brown types." (His words, >not mine. Ten credits to anyone who can identify the t.v. show and the >character.) Archie Bunker? All in the Family (I think is the show title).

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EVENT: Cryptography, scientific freedom & human rights Fri Aug 1!
by Shabbir Safdar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: (Fwd) 1995 Nanotechnology Conference
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:00 AM 8/21/95 -0800, J. Kent Hastings wrote: >Doesn't quantum coherence require molecular precision if it >is to work on 1024 bit PGP keys? If it works, such keys can >be instantly factorized. It would be nice to follow that progress. It requires molecular precision if it is to work on anything interesting: Cracking 1024 bit keys is a long way down the road. Long, long, before quantum computers crack 1024 bit keys, many technological changes will radically and fundamentally change human existence. Quantum computers have many potentials far more imminent and exciting than breaking PGP keys. (Not that they are all that imminent.) Long, long, before quantum computers crack 1024 bit keys, quantum cryptography will become useful and routine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Entrust Technologies's Solo - free download
by Dr. Jai Maharaj 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:58 PM 7/31/97 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: > Dr. Jai Maharaj <jai(a)mantra.com> wrote: > >|At 11:21 AM 7/31/97 -0400, Sandy Harris wrote: >|> Dr. Jai Maharaj <jai(a)mantra.com> writes: >|>|> ...where on this scale do you start to object to my actions: >|>|>1) I use a killfile to ignore certain messages. >|>|>2) I program my personal newsserver to discard certain messages. >|>|>3) A group of us, by consensus, program our common newsserver... >|>| >|>|Unanimous consent? >|>| >|>|>4) A system admin, with due notice to users, programs a >|>|>newserver..... >|>| >|>|What constitutes "due notice" in the present context? >|> >|>Postings in news.announce.newusers. >| >|That's ridiculous. One shopping for an ISP, without >|access to the Net, is not in a position to read a >|notice in a newsgroup. > >No, but any decent ISP (or corporate or institutional system > administrator) will . . . The faact that an ISP supports censorship takes away the "decent" qualification, thus invalidating the other premise and whatever else was built upon it. > . . . suggest reading that newsgroup in their > material for new users and/or set up new accounts so they > are automatically subscribed to it. & any sensible new user > will read & heed. That is unacceptable since the users would have already paid for the account by that time and signed a contract. Jai Maharaj jai(a)mantra.com Om Shanti

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