December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: State Charges in Weaver Case
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray Arachelian wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Mike Duvos wrote: > > > I suppose it has something to do with that "only following > > orders" thing. :) > > Fine, then what shall we charge the one that gave the order with? And > what shal be the punishment? If the one who takes the order relinquishes > reposability, then the one giving the order must be doubly responsible. Jeez, Ray. If you follow this twisted train of logic, you end up expecting the President and the Legislature to take responsibility for the State of the Union. Are you some kind of godless Commie, or something? You'll certainly feel foolish when the FBI lab proves that the trigger was pulled by a drug dealer who was told to do so by a child molester. It's just a shame that those poor federal agents had to be there to witness the tragedy. GovtLicensedMurderMonger

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Breaking Legal News....
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(Apologies if these stories have already been discussed...my ISP is making changes to the system, and outages have ensued...) First, the Ruby Ridge killer Lon Horiuchi will have to leave his protective WitSec program to stand trial for the murder of Vicki Weaver, who was unarmed and whom he fired at recklessly. The charges: manslaughter. (I don't defend the bounty being placed on Horiuchi's head, which I understand is up to $125,000. Them danged militias are practicing AP. My hunch is that old Lon is gonna get shivved one way or another.) Second, charges have also been filed against Kevin Harris, who was tried in a Federal court, and acquitted. Now the state is repeating the trial. (And the litigation was extensive in the Harris case, and Harris was acquitted based on a self-defense argument--for those who didn't follow it, the Feds were lying in camouflage, shot the dog, then the son of Randy Weaver fired at the Feds, the Feds killed the son, then Kevin Harris fired back, killing a Fed. In other words, a classic close quarters fire fight, initiated by the Feds without warning.) As with the Rodney King Four, this is not being called a case of "double jeopardy." If the state charges don't stick, try again in a different jurisdiction, Federal. If the Federal charges don't stick, file in a different jurisdiction, the state. I call this double jeopardy, and I don't see how a reasonable person cannot call it this. Perhaps the Feds can have a victim persecuted (er, prosecuted) first at the local level. If that fails, the state level. If that fails, the Federal level. And should that fail, the World Court in the Hague could take over the case and put Interpol onto the persecuted. Third, the Disneyland case is proceeding. The children "traumatized" by seeing the actor playing Mickey remove his mouse head in front of them. Oh, the horrors! And this is set to be a _jury_ trial. If I were called in and forced to sit on this jury, collecting my oh-so-generous $5 or $10 a day, I'd pull out my H & K and blow someone away. (The hysterical grandmother, acting out her inner demons, deserves a Hasty Pudding prize for overacting and absurdity. You have to see it yourself.) Fourth, and then there's the Florida case of the woman who claimed a CAT machine took away her psychic powers and collected a million dollars in a jury trial. (I lied about this one being "breaking" news...it's actually from Peter Huber's excellent book about frivolous lawsuits and science on trial...I think that was the name of it, "Galileo's Revenge: Science on Trial," or similar.) And the taxpayers gets to pay for most of this shit. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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passing on a chuckle (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Noah's Ark... If it happened today And the Lord spoke to Noah and said, "In six months I'm going to make it rain until the whole earth is covered with water and all the evil people are destroyed. But I want to save a few good people, and two of every kind of living thing on the planet. I am commanding you to build An Ark." And in a flash of lightning, He delivered the specifications for an Ark. "Okay," said Noah, trembling with fear and fumbling with the blueprints. "Six months, and it starts to rain," thundered the Lord. "You'd better have the Ark completed, or learn to swim for a very long time." Six months passed, the skies clouded up and rain began to fall. The Lord saw that Noah was sitting in his front yard, weeping. And there was no Ark. "Noah," shouted the Lord, "Where is the Ark?" "Lord, please forgive me!" begged Noah. "I did my best. But there were big problems. First, I had to get a building permit for the Ark construction project, and your plans didn't meet code. So I had to hire an engineer to re-draw the plans. Then I got into a big fight over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system. "Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planningcommission. "Then I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to save the Spotted Owl. I had to convince the U.S. Fish and Wildlife that I need the wood to save the Owls. But they wouldn't let me catch any owls, So, no owls. "The carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Relations Board before anyone would pick up a saw or hammer. Now we have sixteen carpenters going on the boat, and still no owls. "Then I started gathering up animals, and got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me taking only two of each kind. "Just when I got the suit dismissed, EPA notified me that I couldn't complete the Ark without filing and environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of a Supreme Being. "Then the Army Corp of Engineers wanted a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe. "Right now, I'm still trying to resolve a complaint from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission over how may Croatians I'm supposed to hire. The IRS has seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to avoid paying taxes by leaving the country. And I just got a notice from the state about owing them some kind of use tax. I really don't think I can finish the Ark for at least another five years," Noah wailed. The sky began to clear. The sun began to shine. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up and smiled. "You mean you're not going to destroy the earth?" Noah asked hopefully. "No," said the Lord sadly. "The government already has."

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Re: Inside the Cypherpunks Cult (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 19:24:51 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Inside the Cypherpunks Cult > On the subject of cults, neither do cult leaders sit on panels at the > Computers, Freedom, and Privacy conference and mingle with the leading > lawyers, law professors, NSA employees, and Justice Department > representatives. Never heard of the Pope then... or Reverend Moon perhaps? Or Mother Teresa... Or perhaps the crazy guy from Oklahoma or Kansas or wherever who sat with Bush during the final moments of his first election. I believe he was also there when Desert Storm was launched. Has a big university named after him. Oh Jesus, just can't think of his name... Cults of personality are a function of being human, not what that human does with their time. You are confusing cause and effect. > Where we differ is that first, I don't worry overmuch about what some > foreigners are doing to other foreigners. I take George Washington at his > word: avoid foreign entanglements. Not America's business if the Hutus are > killing the Tutsis, or vice versa, or if the Nazis are killing the Jews, or > vice versa. And, yet, at the same time he had no compunction at all against buying arms and influence from France... Are any of them American Jews?... Remember one thing oh Great Bawana Hunter May... He who stands alone, dies alone. What I would like to see is our favorite TLA jack-booted thugs to surround some poor compound and then find themselves surrounded by thousands of pissed-off gun-toting Americans daring the chicken-shits to do anything about it. Any TLA clown that doesn't put their guns down immediately clearly doesn't make much of the oath they swore to uphold the Constitution. And any soldier who fires on Americans is clearly going against prima facia evidence that the framers intended for American military force to NEVER be used against American citizens on American soil. The soldier who killed the kid down in the valley and got off scott free should face charges of treason. So should his commanders all the way to ole Billary. Consider, the law recognizes a parents right to sue an amusement park because some incidental activity led to emotional distress what prevents us from sueing the federal government for various criminal and civil penalties relating to the physical and emotional suffering their actions have caused. Hell, file a suite in the name of all Americans... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Participation requires more than just bitching! | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Key Recovery Solution # 12 / Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: CypherPunk Cults)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > Remember this the next time you hear some clueless idiot claim that > industry wants full key recovery. The last thing industry needs is access > to all their confidential information during discovery. Key Recovery Solution # 12: In order to keep the keys safe from the prying eyes of government, industry could escrow them with a private company like INSLAW.

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take The Boulder Pledge now!!!
by cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eventually, all spam, and spamscam, would stop if everyone followed the advice of film critic Roger Ebert. He wrote in *Yahoo*: Last spring I was on a panel about "Bad Manners on the Net" at the Conference on World Affairs at the University of Colorado. We agreeed that junk e-mail (then no more than a mote in the eye) could eventually bring the whole cooperative endeavor of online mail crashing to its ruin. On the spot, I devised the Boulder Pledge, and we solemnly crossed our hearts and took it. The Boulder Pledge Under no circumstances will I ever purchase *anything* offered to me as the result of an unsolicited e-mail message. Nor will I forward chain letters, petitions, mass mailings, or virus warnings to large numbers of others. This is my contribution to the survival of the online community. The Boulder Pledge works by making junk mail unprofitable. If nobody *ever buys anything,* spammers eventually will quit. I hope. End the Plague. Raise your right hand. Read aloud [the Boulder Pledge]. Then, pass it on, via Email to 10 or 20 of your concerned friends. Thanks. -- http://131.107.1.68/bbs/msnbc-commerce/710.htm

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ROTFL / Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: CypherPunk Cults)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray Arachelian wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Tim G. May wrote: > > > "When all you have is a gun, everything looks like a target." > > > > Tim G. May > > When all you have are arrest warrants, everyone looks like a drug dealer. > :) "When all you have is spam, everyone looks like Tim C. May." - Dimitri Vulis, KOTM

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Re: State Charges in Weaver Case
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike Duvos wrote: > FBI director Louis Freeh said he was "extremely disappointed" in the > charges against Horiuchi, and promised that the Federal Government > would spare no expense in defending him against them. > > Hey, I've got an idea. Is Stephan Jones free? :) No. Give him Jim Bell's lawyer--he can get them to reduce the charges to "making the mortuary smell bad."

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Welfare Solution #389 / Re: Socio-Economic Cults (Re: CypherPunk Cults)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William H. Geiger III wrote: > A prime example is the welfair class in America. All their basic needs are > provided for by the State (food, housing, medical, education, ...) and yet > they have the highest crime rates. And make no mistake this isn't 18th > century England where people are stealing a loaf of bread to survive the > majority of these criminal are commiting their crimes to support their > entertainments. Welfare Solution #389: Many in the welfair class have their basic needs met by the government and then steal to buy heroin. How about this? - When a person on welfare is busted for heroin use, or theft to support a habit, the State thereafter sends the person's welfare check to a Crime Restitution fund and lets the person keep stealing, only now it is for the purpose of supplying their own basic needs. The crime rate stays the same, but the victims receive some amount of recompensation. Damn, I'm smart... SmartMonger

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Incoming! / Re: Chiropractic
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > And By The Way, Tim, your aura indicates a high level of cynicism, > which interferes with the psychic abilities of people around you. That's not his aura, that's tracer bullets, Bill. Bill...? Bill.......???

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