December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

LP Press Release about Digital Telephony Act and Clipper (fwd)
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 00:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Libertarian Party Headquarters <lphq(a)access.digex.net> Subject: LP Press Release about Digital Telephony Act and Clipper To: eff(a)eff.org NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 1528 Pennsylvania Avenue SE Washington DC 20003 For immediate release: April 18, 1994 For additional information: Bill Winter, Director of Communications (202) 543-1988 Libertarian Party Announces Opposition to Digital Telephony Act Calling it a "serious infringement of civil liberties and a gross violation of property rights," the Libertarian Party National Committee unanimously voted to oppose the Digital Telephony and Communications Act of 1994. At their quarterly meeting in Kansas City, Missouri, the governing body of America's third-largest political party charged that "the Digital Telephony Act would make furnishing the FBI with easy wiretapping capability the overriding priority for designers of telephone equipment and related software." "It is a lie to call this legislation a 'Privacy Improvement Act,'" said Bill Evers, the National Committee member from California who sponsored the resolution. The Digital Telephony Act, noted the resolution, "requires telephone, cable television, and computer network companies to ensure that the government can conduct surveillance while private communication is going on. It requires the installation of surveillance-facilitating software in telephone switching equipment to expose personal information - such as telephone-calling patterns, credit card purchases, banking records, and medical records - to the view of the government." "Such personal information should be the private property of either the company that assembles it or the individual to whom it pertains," said Evers. Libertarians also oppose the Digital Telephony Act because it "would require a fundamental re-engineering of the communications infrastructure at great expense to American taxpayers, and to the owners of private communications systems," said Evers. The Libertarian National Committee also unanimously voted to oppose the National Security Agency's Escrowed Encryption Standard - the so-called Clipper Chip system - or any "government policies promoting or requiring specific encryption methods for civilian use." The party also urged the "repeal of the U.S. ban on export abroad of Clipper-free encryption devices produced by American companies." "Government-mandated encryption standards will foster indiscriminate surveillance of private communications by the government," charged Evers. The resolution said "the Clinton Administration plans to induce American manufacturers to install government-readable encryption devices in every telephone, fax machine, and computer modem made in the United States." "The Clinton Administration is explicitly denying that the American people have the right to communicate in private," said Evers. By contrast, he said, "The Libertarian Party has long upheld the civil liberties of the American citizen." Approximately 120 Libertarians serve in elected and appointed office around the country, including four State Representatives in New Hampshire and two mayors in California. The Libertarian Party platform calls for vigorous defense of the Bill of Rights, free enterprise, civil liberties, free trade, and private charity. # # # The Libertarian Party America's third largest political party 1528 Pennsylvania Avenue SE (202) 543-1988 Washington DC 20003 Internet: LPHQ(a)digex.net ***Send email or call 1-800-682-1776 for free information package by mail***

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Re: BEST Inc.
by kkirksey＠world.std.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Simple solution to this problem, especially if you have strong magnets >around.... De-magnitize the card. > >If you are a ham operator, you can use the magnetic mount on the basis of >your mobile antenna whip. If you're not, get a big magnet... > Or a bulk tape eraser from Radio Shack. They've a thousand household uses! No home should be without one! :-) Ken +===========================================================================+ | Ken Kirksey kkirksey(a)world.std.com Mac Guru & Developer | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | When the going gets tough, the tough hide under the table. | | -Edmund Blackadder | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbQwAesZNYlu+zuBAQEeoQQAieN3U5lMrpk24APiEkFQi42oG65ZE8RX My/fEoNolwMnwIh9MkWQeBjfSx8Ixzwcq3vSla2XgWw6UcXxExvxzSUc1IM38zN1 p1qpoDwBatdonZoua7G3mlrxRgxEVMLCakO3aM9HNj4QTNpjJFDWSv5wzLDwBPaX ptmZjAgT+mo= =rqQB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Money Laundering thru Roulette
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I neglected to cc: the list on this reply to David Rees, and he was kind enough to send me back the message so I could post it here. This is me speaking: > > Maybe I'm just misunderstanding the point David Rees is making: > > > Of course, as several people pointed out, there are a large number > > of ways to break even in roulette. So if you have bad money that > > needs laundered, why not bet evenly on red and black each time. Or even > > easier, buy 10,000 dollars worth of chips and then cash them in immediately. > > New and different money on demand. > > I get the impression though that I am missing something in the > > discussion since no one has mentioned something like this and that merely > > replacing the money isn't the objective here. > > No, converting one wad of, say, $100,000 into another wad of $100,000 > is not the goal. > > Let us suppose "Hillary" (much more interesting than our usual > cryptographic stand-in, Alice) want to be able to spend $100,000 given > to her by a friend at Tyson Foods in exchange for regulatory favors. > > He gives her a wad of $100,000. She takes this wad to Las Vegas (or, > now, to the nearby Mississippi River gambling boats) and "exchanges" > it. What has been accomplished? Nothing, except the comparatively > trivial change in serial numbers (which _can_ be an issue if the bills > are marked, as in a sting, but this is rarely an issue). > > This is a _kind_ of money laudering, as is literally running currency > through washer-dryer cycles (yes, this is done), but this is not the > common meaning of "laundering," and the one which we're focussing on here. > > No, one of the main goals of money-laundering is to make the > bribe/whatever money appear to be "legitimately earned," so that taxes > may be paid on it (yes) and the money then used for other investments, > buying houses, etc. "Legitimately earned" can mean won in Las Vegas, > or in cattle futures, etc. Hence the schemes here. > > (In Hillary's case, suddenly having $100K that the IRS and other > agencies can find no "paper trail" for would be evidene of bribery, > for example. I suppose Hillary could claim it came out of her > mattress, where she'd been saving money for years, but I doubt this > would fly.) > > U.S. casinos are closely watched for this kind of thing, of course. I > wonder if the IRS looks suspiciously at money won at the casinos on > Paradise Island, Bahamas? Or elsewhere. > > And, germane to our list, the "Internet Casino" that Nick Szabo and > others have talked about someday building. > > --Tim May > > > -- > .......................................................................... > Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, > tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero > 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, > W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. > Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. > "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Remailer Musings
by juola＠bruno.cs.colorado.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I disagree with Brad's interpretation. For example, if I photocopy a book and anonymously snail mail it to people, do you think the postal service is going to take the fall? Nope - they are just a carrier, and are not responsible for content. Like the common carriers - they just receive a message and pass it along. They aren't responsible for message content. If Brad Templeton's view of the world was the prevailing (or correct) one, then every common carrier in the country, including Ma Bell and the US Postal Service, would not exist, because they would've been sued out of existence long ago. On the other hand, part of the rules of being a common carrier are that one is *required* to cooperate with appropriate authorities to prevent this sort of abuse and to catch said abusers if/when it happens. I suspect that Mr. Templeton's lawyer could make a case that by setting up a remailer where one cannot "trace calls," one is violating the requirements of being a common carrier, and thus is responsible for content. - kitten

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re: Sgt Russell
by Graham Toal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

: From: joshua geller <joshua(a)cae.retix.com> : I don't see any reason why sgt. harlow shouldn't be as welcome : as anyone else on the list. there are a large number of people : in the military, and any generalization drawn about them is : likely to be false (of course all generalizations are false, but : that is another matter). for those who enjoy paranoia, I would : point out that sgt. harlow is not the only person on this list : with past or present military associations. Quite right. This is ex Signals-Officer 23434072 Toal, G saying 'Roger out to you hello Charlie Papa come in over.' :-) G

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Re: Money Laundering thru Roulette
by smb＠research.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There was a more interesting case in, I believe, Australia. Someone who wanted to bribe a politician instead libeled him. The politician sued, and they ``settled'' out of court.

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Re: CRYPTO: Money laundering and traceability
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: hughes(a)ah.com (Eric Hughes) > > >Chaum's arguments appear to apply to virtually any electronic cash > >system which can prevent double-spending. They suggest that traceable > >cash will be the rule in any digicash system. > > That's true for transferable and off-line cash systems. The same > argument doesn't hold for on-line systems. There you can have an > exchange protocol to deposit a piece of digicash and immediately > rewithdraw it, blinding it again in the process. There need be no > account with the bank for this to happen. This is a good point, although I think on-line systems are unlikely to be used for payments to private individuals such as in the scenarios I mentioned, because of the cost of accessing a centralized database for every transaction. In any case, this suggests that it might be unwise to carry cash issued by such a bank, because of your vulnerability to robbery. Chaum even considered (in another paper) the threat of being coerced into withdrawing cash from a bank in such a way that you don't see the blinded cash. He had an approach where you would get all of your "blinding certificates" when you opened your account, and these would be the only things you could use to blind cash. So any stolen cash could always be recognized. I suppose one risk is that the robber exchanges the cash so quickly that the robbee has no chance to warn the bank; and once exchanged the cash is certainly anonymous. Perhaps banks would instigate some minimum time for handling an exchange in order to protect their cash holders from this threat. Hal

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Re: Intolerance on the list
by Jim Sewell - KD4CKQ 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<My computer told me that Russell Whitaker said:> >> My job is important to me. Learning about cryptography is going to >> help me protect my systems and my messages. I have no desire to eavesdrop on >> what you or anyone else is doing on this list. I merely want to learn, and > > Your motivations seem clear enough to me. Dig in! Enjoy yourself here, and I > look forward to your participation. I also agree with Russell. Although the organization for which you work may be unnerving to some, they should be willing to give you a shot at being an ok kinda guy as a freethinking individual. Besides that, has anyone considered this: If the good Sargeant here gets his system secured with PGP and Uncle Sam (via the President's efforts) says everything else is bad, you must use clipper... wouldn't it be good ammo to say 'Hey guys! Site x.y.z is secured to military satisfaction by using PGP. Clipper is somewhat weak and you even admit it by not allowing it to secure classified info. I think it would be great ammo in blowing up the Information Super-Highway-Patrol. Keep asking your questions and thinking freely! Jim -- Tantalus Inc. Bringing people together Jim Sewell-KD4CKQ 2407 N. Roosevelt Blvd. to have a little fun. Internet: jims(a)mpgn.com Key West, FL 33041 CIS: 71061,1027 (305) 293-8100 "We keep coding and coding and coding..."

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S Milgram & Authority Response
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >This shows that, in real situations, people will follow herd instincts >and obey orders. >rgds-- TA (tallard(a)frb.gov) Milgram had 66% go to the end of the board with the subjects believing they had killed a person with electric shock. I saw him present the paper. I asked him at the end, placing ethical questions aside, what he felt the most important finding of this research was. He paused thoughtfully, and said: We better be DAMN careful who we put in authority in this country. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbRG11/ScHuGXWgVAQG+yQQAzEXu8jNbhMTXebcgEBuqlA9OCv9we2fK NnyfE8w+TVACgikfzWg2yMWVx99zdrx5g3dlbNvkgz9qhR7tdzLmuh0pRmbN8/gP MUm4B+siLmyeSp5qk9eAxvz9WttcLk5oy0+VCPFcv4EgNRp1Ce67YM4/A5uGqDP9 FyDIvssiWTQ= =+yb+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- PGP PUBLIC KEY via finger! JAFEFFM Speaking & Thinking For Myself! * eagle(a)deeptht.armory.com email info(a)eff.org * *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** ***** Committed to Free Public Internet Access for World Peace *****

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re; intolerance on the list
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Well, now that the issue of Marines on the list is settled, perhaps the good SGT could share some non classified knowledge of the USMC's extensive use of Banyan Vines. For those who didn't know, during Desert storm every Marine tank was a Banyan server, the self healing nature of this network proved very effective, in fact "Stormin Norman" gave it credit as one of the three key assets we had. Brian Williams Extropian Cypherpatriot Ex-Marine Current NRA/ILA and other nasty stuff "Cryptocosmology: Sufficently advanced comunication is indistinguishable from noise." --Steve Witham "Have you ever had your phones tapped by the government? YOU WILL and the company that'll bring it to you.... AT&T" --James Speth "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" - Dr Hunter S Thompson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbRJztCcBnAsu2t1AQGAEAQAg9z4ddgWqHz6EWQjCGj6dA8o6gFV3YVp q7UhK6EFzqYhhaIxXoI0z/Bvhdw+r4ZRYySXC4y0tcAYFns5mbj1Z3SB5BAytN4l FySoWWjylIRYShwLBO8pmbxF1m/SqZJWkAn9bu17uLAHSlJHxZxbhhqi1q1HtOnW ZFoaWBjs8nU= =Viyp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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