December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

DEATH TO THE SYSMONGERS!!!
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:: subject: DEATH TO THE CRACKERS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE CENSORS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE CRACKPOTS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE LUDDITES!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE NEWBIES!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE WANNABES!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: APRIL FOOLS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com -- ......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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DEATH TO THE SYSMONGERS!!!
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:: subject: DEATH TO THE CRACKERS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE CENSORS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE CRACKPOTS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE LUDDITES!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE NEWBIES!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE WANNABES!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: APRIL FOOLS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com -- ......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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DEATH TO THE SYSMONGERS!!!
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:: subject: DEATH TO THE CRACKERS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE CENSORS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE CRACKPOTS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE LUDDITES!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE NEWBIES!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: DEATH TO THE WANNABES!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com :: subject: APRIL FOOLS!!! request-remailing-to: remailer@chaos.bsu.edu,nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu,hal@alumni.caltech.edu,hfinney@shell.portal.com,rants@wired.com,nightly@nbc.com,alt.politics.datahighway.usenet@decwrl.dec.com,news.admin.policy@news.demon.co.uk,cypherpunks@toad.com -- ......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: CryptoAnarchy
by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't know exactly what `cryptoanarchy' is, but anonymous remailing seems to be a big part of it.

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what the @#$%^&* is going on with the list?!
by tmp＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

is there something wrong with the remailers? there seems to be some strange feedback loop going on between them and the list. is anyone else having this problem?

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Detweiler is Back
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The recent flood of "DEATH TO THE XXXX" posting, with my sig block attached at the bottom (note that sig block NEQ signature), tells us that Detweiler is back. My strong suspicion is that he is using "tmp(a)netcom.com" as his new posting site, for reasons I will list below. If "tmp" is actually _not_ Detweiler, my aplogies. But I doubt I'll have to apologize. 1. The appearance of tmp's innocent-appearing question about "cryptoanarchy" just an hour or so before the "DEATH TO..." postings. And followups to this issue. 2. "tmp" was also the name Detweiler--or a close facsimile of Detweiler--was using a few weeks ago to post more of the same. That "tmp" was at a colorado site, which I don't recall the full name of. 3. However, the latest "tmp" is _also_ at a Colorado site, as "fin" on my Netcom system shows: {Netcom:19} fin tmp Login Name TTY Idle When Where tmp ??? < . . . . > tmp ??? < . . . . > tmp ??? < . . . . > tmp ??? < . . . . > tmp ??? < . . . . > tmp ??? < . . . . > tmp ??? qd Fri 22:49 NETCOM-den1.netc tmp ??? < . . . . > tmp ??? uc <Apr 1 21:25> NETCOM-den1.netc tmp ??? < . . . . > tmp ??? < . . . . > tmp ??? < . . . . > "den1" is of course the Denver POP (point of presence) of Netcom. This suggests he is telnetting into Netcom from another machine---a useful strategy for him, as Netcom will almost certainly take no action against him. The few entries (2) suggest a relatively new account. A full "finger" shows little more. 4. He is also using the TeX-style `quote' symbols (instead of 'these'), previously found to be strongly correlated with Detweiler. 5. In a private message to him, after his first request for infromation on `cryptoanarchy,' in which I called him "Larry," (which he denied, but gave no more details), he ended by saying that cryptoanarchy could be useful for some nice pranks. And he closed with a "(hee hee)." Need I say more? I expect to be getting angry, puzzled, curious questions from some of the folks he mailbombed with this stuff....folks at NBC Nightly News, "Wired," various newsgroups, and, of course, you folks. As I mentioned to Eric Hughes and Hugh Daniel in an earlier message (which theen't even read yet), I'm partly tempted to just say nothing, gotta go...Netcom is being shut down in seconds... -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Cryptography banned in the Netherlands....
by smb＠research.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> So, among "liberals" we can include Reagan, J. Edgar Hoover, Joe > McCarthy, and Nixon, all of whom took some pretty extreme steps to > silence critics of "government and other large institutions," up > to and including political assassinations. Get real. With very few exceptions, the entire American political spectrum is made up of liberals. That most certianly includes Reagan, MaCarthy, definitly Nixon, and mabey Hoover. brad ``When *I* use a word,'' Humpty Dumpy said, in rather a scornful tone, ``it means just what I choose it to mean---neither more nor less.'' Reagan, McCarthy, Nixon and Hoover wouldn't call themselves liberals. We liberals certainly don't number them in our ranks. To call them ``liberals'' is to deny all meaning to the word. (Not that it's definition is clear -- but they sure aren't included.)

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Politics do not belong here
by Jeremiah A Blatz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I may very well be completly wrong here, but IMO there is no place for politics on this list. Cryptography, by its very nature, is an anti-political thing. All politicians who try in increase the power of government are against the cypherpunk agenda of increasing the use of encryption, it doesn't matter what party they belong to. This discussion is simply a bunch of messages that bait people with different political alignments than the sender's, please take it elsewhere. Jer darklord(a)cmu.edu | "it's not a matter of rights / it's just a matter of war finger me for my | don't have a reason to fight / they never had one before" Geek Code and | -Ministry, "Hero" PGP public key | http://www.cs.cmu.edu:8001/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr25/jbde/

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tmp@netcom.com
by beker＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Organization: Oasis Pictures In addition to Tim's equating tmp@netcom with LD, here's some header info from an LD post on sci.crypt: From: ld231782(a)longs.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Newsgroups: sci.crypt,comp.society.privacy,alt.privacy,sci.answers,comp.answers,alt.answers,news.answers Subject: Privacy & Anonymity on the Internet FAQ (1 of 3) Date: 12 Mar 1994 14:02:13 GMT Organization: TMP Enterprises

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Re: Collapse of the Wave Function Predicted, Timing Uncertain
by jim＠bilbo.suite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> The moniker -- Information Highway -- itself seems to be >> responsible for SB #040194. Introduced by Senator Patrick Leahy, >> it's designed to prohibit anyone from using a public computer >> network (Information Highway) while the computer user is >> intoxicated. I know how silly this sounds, but Congress > > ....rest of Dvorak's April column elided.. > > Further provisions: How about... ---------------- THE WAR ON DRUGS REACHES THE BEACHES OF CYBERSPACE WASHINGTON(AP) Prompted by the rising number of reports of online addiction, Congresswoman April Fhurst is preparing a bill that would designate network connections a controlled substance. Only government certified professionals would be allowed network connections, and only for a limited number of hours per day. The bill also mandates that all network venders, manufactures of network equipment, and network software developers must design in mechanisms to record the length of time each person spends accessing a networked resource and to automatically contact the DEA when a person exceeds safe limits. Use of unauthorized or noncompliant network devices, computers, or software will be a felony. Any equipment used in the act of felonious network access, and any files obtained via the network would be subject to forfeiture under the RICO laws. ---------------- Jim_Miller(a)suite.com

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