December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Reserved DC-Net IP addresses
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

doug(a)OpenMind.com (Doug Cutrell): [I haven't seen this on the list yet, but it looks as if it was meant for all] > Subject: Re: Reserved DC-Net IP addresses > I think you miss the point... there is a need to have a specific > "broadcast" IP address that "speaks" for the whole DC-net. This is so that > someone from within the net can send a message anonymously to *outside* the > net. The members within the net could use standard IP addresses, I would > presume. Eric was talking about formally allocating a range of addresses for IP. That's like putting up an RFC for each remailer, to 'notarize' the fact that the remailer is not the real source. Any IP address can be the apparent source for the DC-Net messages. It only has to be acknowledged by all the participants (just as remailer users have to know about the mailer address). You may need to publicize a _disclaimer_ as IP packets don't carry Comment: lines. You don't need to formally allocate the address, though, and certainly shouldn't have to go to the IETF - that's hardly anarchy! One might have DCN IPs bouncing just as remailers do, and use DCNping to see which are up ;-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "Clean the air! clean the sky! wash the wind! rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in take stone from stone and wash them..." Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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Re: Tedious Chomsky arguments, some small remailer relevance.
by chen＠intuit.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In response to James Donald: The Hayek quote is correct, and an example of what Reinholdt Niebuhr called "manufacturing consent" (where have I heard this?). I am not going to get into your Chomsky argument, except to say that your excerpt explicitly contradicts your conclusions: > "The Chomsky reader" Pantheon books, 1987, p.201, quotes > a paper written by Chomsky in 1975: > > "When the *New York Times* editors and U. N. Ambassador > Moynihan castigate Idi Amin of Uganda as a "racist > murderer," perhaps correctly, there is a surge of public > pride throughout the country; and they are lauded for their > courage and honesty. No one would be so vulgar as to > observe that the editors and the ambassador, in the not > very distant past, have supported racist murder on a scale > that exceeds Amin's wildest fantasies. The general failure > to be appalled by their hypocritical pronouncements > reflects, in the first place, the extremely powerful > ideological controls that prevent us from coming to terms > with our acts and their significance and, in the second > place, the nation's profound commitment to racist > principle." For which you graciously provide a vigorous, trenchant "analysis": > 1. Whatever Idi Amin is, he is morally much better than > Moynihan and the NY Times editors. There is no mention anywhere of moral superiority. There is a statement of the demonstrable fact that "the editors and the ambassador, in the not very distant past, have supported racist murder on a scale that exceeds Amin's wildest fantasies," referring, perhaps, to the (then) recent Indonesian slaughter in East Timor, or to the secret genocide in Cambodia (the one that happened *before* Pol Pot), or to any number of other U.S.-_Times_-backed atrocities. > 2. Only a country steeped in racist principle will fail to be > appalled when hearing Idi Amin called a racist murderer, even > when he is. This is simply nowhere to be found. "The general failure to be appalled by their hypocritical pronouncements" clearly has nothing whatever to do with Idi Amin. I know that it's difficult for you to conceive, James, but life is not always a football game. Hating the Rams doesn't imply loving the Packers. > ** 3. Only powerful ideological controls can prevent the > public from being outraged when someone truthfully calls a > black man a racist murderer. This is the same as your #2, and again, it is neither said nor implied. I would suggest that you read the passage again, but I don't think it will help. You're evidently quite intent on tilting at Chomsky as some sort of symbol of all that is threatening to your special brand of proto-Malthusian machismo. And it's really an extraordinary conceit to suppose that anyone else cares. You say elsewhere: > This coming thread will actually have some very slight > relevance to remailers, (gasp) in that I point out that the > same reasoning that enables Chomsky to define the > government to be the people, and individuals to be the evil > Capitalist Conspiracy, can be used in the same way; to > conclude that the eradication of Remailers and eradication > of the sort of thoughts that remailers are often used to > communicate, and the eradication of the kind of people that > are on the cypherpunks mailing list, represents a triumph > for liberty and civil rights, a triumph that would prove > how far civil liberties have advanced from the bad old > days. Before doing the service of "pointing out" all of these grandiose things to us, perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension. Your original claim was: > Of course Noam Chomsky is optimistic - he favors limitless and > absolute state power and the forcible and violent silencing of all > those who deviate from political correctness. The "analysis" which you present, apart from being factually wrong in every imaginable way, does not move one inch toward supporting this. If the only purpose of your claim was to serve as a platform for launching vapid diatribes, then knock yourself out. Otherwise, we would all appreciate it if you'd stick to the point. This is the last I will say on the subject, unless the thread assumes the shape of something vaguely relevant. -- Mark Chen chen(a)netcom.com 415/329-6913 finger for PGP public key D4 99 54 2A 98 B1 48 0C CF 95 A5 B0 6E E0 1E 1D

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17 Dec '03

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Re: The Crime Bill - text re intent requirement
by nobody＠kaiwan.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In case anyone still doubts me... 103 P.L. 322 Sec. 120005. PROVIDING MATERIAL SUPPORT TO TERRORISTS. (a) Offense.--Chapter 113A of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding the following new section: " Sec. 2339A. Providing material support to terrorists "(a) Definition.--In this section, 'material support or resources' means currency or other financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel, transportation, and other physical assets, but does not include humanitarian assistance to persons not directly involved in such violations. "(b) Offense.--A person who, within the United States, provides material support or resources or conceals or disguises the nature, location, source, or ownership of material support or resources, knowing or intending that they are ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ to be used in preparation for, or in carrying out, a violation of section 32, ?6, 351, 844 (f) or (i), 1114, 1116, 1203, 1361, 1363, 1751, 2280, 2281, 2331, or 2339 of this title or section 46502 of title 49, or in preparation for or carrying out the concealment of an escape from the commission of any such violation, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both. "(c) Investigations.-- "(1) In general.-- Within the United States, an investigation may be initiated or continued under this section only when facts reasonably indicate that-- "(A) in the case of an individual, the individual knowingly or intentionally engages, has engaged, or is about to engage in the violation of this or any other Federal criminal law; and "(B) in the case of a group of individuals, the group knowingly or intentionally engages, has engaged, or is about to engage in the violation of this or any other Federal criminal law. "(2) Activities protected by the first amendment.-- An investigation may not be initiated or continued under this section based on activities protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution, including expressions of support or the provision of financial support for the nonviolent political, religious, philosophical, or ideological goals or beliefs of any person or group.". SOLONg

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WSJ on RC4
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to David Sternlight for posting pointer to this. -------------------- The Wall Street Journal September 19, 1994 p. B10 -------------------- RSA Data Security Says Exposed Code Poses No Threat By Ralph T. King Jr. Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal The anonymous dissemination over the last several days of a software code used to safeguard the privacy of electronic messages in no way threatens the security of existing computer networks, according to the code's owner and encryption experts. However, the defiant act is expected to trigger a trade-secret dispute between the culprit and RSA Data Security Inc., the Redwood City, Calif., company that developed the code. The act also raises thorny legal questions about how public data networks, collectively known as the Internet, may be used. An unidentified person used the Internet to post RSA's encryption code, called RC4, on electronic bulletin boards. The RC4 code works something like a padlock. But knowing how the lock works isn't enough to open it. The system user has an individualized combination or key that prevents access by other parties to private computer messages. RSA's code product is incorporated in numerous popular software programs, including those of Apple Computer Inc., Lotus Development Corp. and Microsoft Corp. Some reports published over the weekend indicated that the disclosure might jeopardize the integrity of computer systems that are equipped with these programs. "This doesn't compromise systems that are in use," says Jim Bidzos, president of closely-held RSA. "This is a misappropriation of our intellectual property. It's a legal issue and it will be pursued." Mr. Bidzos also said officials at U.S. Customs Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are investigating the matter. One analyst noted that disclosure of the formula may benefit RSA because some users have questioned whether its code contains the equivalent of secret trapdoors enabling people familiar with it to eavesdrop on private communications at will. As a result, some computer operators have turned to an alternative code whose formula is publicly available. Now it will be clear to interested parties that no such trapdoors exist, Mr. Bidzos said. In any case, RSA is about to release a new encryption code for use with the latest computer-chip architecture, he said. One possible effect of the disclosure is to shed light on the extent of legal liability that applies to people who make copyrighted or protected material freely available on the Internet. Those who use such material under license typically sign nondisclosure agreements. In this case, someone apparently violated a nondisclosure pact and in effect invalidated the protections of RSA, the formula's owner. -------------------- END

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HIT MEN
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, Okay, back to basics. David Merriman wrote: But if the system is set up for total anonymity, _who would know_ that an escrow agent was the "bag man"? Just like no one would know who the contractee was, or the contractor: The escrow agent is a publicly known entity. That's how it gets a reputation. How do you imagine an escrow agent could get a reputation for being a murder's bag man if it didn't advertise as such. If it advertises as such, I believe most people would refuse to do any business with it. If it doesn't advertise, how will it get those sorts of clients? There is no reputational incentive to perform the loathsome service, and plenty of incentive to (a) just keep the money, or (b) blow the whistle to the cops and the intended victim (and keep the money). Please note, this was all intuitively obvious from my previous post. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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HIT MEN
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, Patrick May accidentally sent this post only to me. In a subsequent note, he asked me to forward it to the list. My response will come in my following post. S a n d y * * *

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National Research Council study of cryptography
by schneier＠chinet.chinet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: The National Research Council study of National Cryptography Policy To interested parties: The committee membership for the NRC's study of national cryptography policy has been finalized, and the project description and final list of committee membership is attached. I specifically call your attention to the part of the project description that invites members of the interested public to submit views on the questions the study will be addressing. The National Research Council appreciates your interest in this project. Please redistribute this message to anyone you think may be interested. A STUDY OF NATIONAL CRYPTOGRAPHY POLICY September 14, 1994 Cryptographic technologies are critical to a wide variety of important military and civilian applications involving sensitive or classified information that must be protected from unauthorized disclosure. In addition, cryptography is a key component of most authentication technologies, i.e., technologies to guarantee the identity of a message's sender. National cryptography policy has important implications for U.S. economic competitiveness, national security, law enforcement interests, and protection of the rights of private U.S. citizens. In an attempt to clarify some of the relevant policy issues, Public Law 103-160 (passed by the U.S. Congress in November 1993) called for a comprehensive study from the National Research Council on cryptographic technologies and national cryptography policy. The study will commence in the first week of October 1994. As this study proceeds, the committee will make all feasible attempts to solicit a wide range of input and commentary from interested parties. Input will be presented to the committee through a mix of briefings, presentations, consultations, invited and contributed papers, and testimony at regional public hearings. In addition, members of the interested public are invited to submit input to the committee as described below. The study plans to address the following issues: * the impact of current and possible future restrictions and standards regarding cryptographic technology on - the availability of such technology to foreign and domestic parties with interests hostile to or competitive with the national security, economic, commercial, and privacy interests of the U.S. government, U.S. industry, and private U.S. citizens; - the competitiveness of U.S. manufacturers of such technology in the international market; - the competitiveness and performance of commercial U.S. users of such technology; - U.S. national security and law enforcement interests; * the strength of various cryptographic technologies known and anticipated that are relevant for commercial and private purposes; * current and anticipated demand for information systems security based on cryptography; * the impact of foreign restrictions on the use of, importation of, and the market for cryptographic technology; * the extent to which current cryptography policy is adequate for protecting U.S. interests in privacy, public safety, national security, and economic competitiveness; * strengths and weaknesses of current key escrow implementation schemes; * how technology now and in the future can affect the feasible policy options for balancing the national security and law enforcement interests of government and the privacy and commercial interests of U.S. industry and private U.S. citizens; * recommendations for the process through which national security, law enforcement, commercial, and privacy interests are balanced in the formulation of national cryptography policy. The study will be conducted by a 17-member committee (listed at the end of this document) that collectively has expertise in computer and communications technology; cryptographic technologies and cryptanalysis; foreign, national security, and intelligence affairs; law enforcement; science policy; trade policy; commercial and business dimensions of computer technology (hardware and software vendors, users of cryptographic technologies); and interests in privacy and civil liberties. A subpanel of the full committee will be cleared at the SI level and have access to all relevant information to ensure that the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of the unclassified report are consistent with what is known in the classified world. The project plan calls for the study to be delivered approximately two years after full processing of all necessary security clearances. However, the NRC will make every attempt to deliver the study sooner, and it currently believes that the core work of the study will be completed about 18 to 20 months after funding for the study has been received. Additional time will be devoted to dissemination of the study report and follow-up activities. The final report of the study committee is subject to NRC review procedures that ensure the objectivity and integrity of all NRC reports. The main text of the report will be unclassified; classified annexes (if any) will be made available only to those with the appropriate security clearances. PROVIDING INPUT TO THE COMMITTEE The questions that the study is expected to examine are provided above. Members of the interested public are invited to submit their views on these questions and any other questions that you believe the committee should be addressing through either of the channels below. If desired, requests for personal presentations to the committee should be submitted through these channels as well; the committee will respond affirmatively to as many such requests as possible, but time and resource constraints will limit the number of such requests that can be honored. Internet: send comments and other correspondence to CRYPTO(a)NAS.EDU. U.S. Mail: Cryptography Project Computer Science and Telecommunications Board National Research Council Mail Stop HA-560 2101 Constitution Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20418 COMMITTEE TO STUDY NATIONAL CRYPTOGRAPHY POLICY Kenneth Dam, committee chair, was Deputy Secretary of State (1982- 1985) and is currently the Max Pam Professor of American and Foreign Law at the University of Chicago Law School. General W. Y. Smith, retired, committee vice-chair, is president emeritus of the Institute for Defense Analyses, and has also served in a number of military posts including that of deputy commander in chief of the U.S. European Command in Germany. Lee Bollinger, formerly dean of the University of Michigan Law School, is currently provost of Dartmouth College and a constitutional scholar. Ann Caracristi, retired, was Deputy Director of the National Security Agency (1980-1982). Benjamin Civiletti was U.S. Attorney General (1979-1981), and is currently in private practice with the law firm Venable, Baetjer, Howard and Civiletti. Colin Crook is senior technology officer for Citicorp. Samuel Fuller is vice president of corporate research at Digital Equipment Corporation. Leslie Gelb is president of the Council on Foreign Relations. He served as Assistant Secretary of State for Politico-Military Affairs (1977-1980). Ronald Graham is a director of information sciences at AT&T Bell Labs and a professor of mathematics at Rutgers University. Martin Hellman is professor of electrical engineering at Stanford University. Dr. Hellman was one of the inventors of public key encryption. Julius Katz is president of Hills & Company, and was deputy United States trade representative (1989-1993). Peter Neumann is principal scientist in the Computer Science Laboratory at SRI International. He is the chairman of the ACM committee on computers and public policy, and a member of the ACM study group on cryptography policy. Raymond Ozzie is president of Iris Associates, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Lotus Development Corporation. Iris Associates is the developer of Lotus Notes. Kumar Patel is vice chancellor for research at UCLA. Edward Schmults was Deputy Attorney General of the United States (1981-1984) and is a former senior vice president for external relations and general counsel for the GTE Corporation. Elliot Stone is executive director of the Massachusetts Health Data Consortium, which is responsible for the collection and analysis of the state's large health care databases. Willis Ware, retired, is with the RAND Corporation as senior computer scientist emeritus. He chairs the Computer System Security and Privacy Advisory Board which was established by the Computer Security Act of 1987. STAFF AND ORGANIZATIONS Marjory Blumenthal is director of the Computer Science and Telecommunications Board (CSTB). Herbert Lin is study director and senior staff officer of the CSTB. Inquiries about this study should be directed to him at 202-334-3191 or via Internet at HLIN(a)NAS.EDU. The National Research Council (NRC) is the operating arm of the Academy complex, which includes the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine. The NRC provides impartial and independent advice to the federal government and other policy makers, by applying top scientific and technical talent to answer questions of national significance. In addition, the NRC often acts as a neutral party in convening meetings among multiple stakeholders on various controversial issues, thereby facilitating the generation of consensus. Within the NRC, the CSTB considers technical and policy issues pertaining to computer science, telecommunications, and associated technologies as critical resources and sources of national economic strength. A list of CSTB publications is available on request to CSTB(a)NAS.EDU or by calling 202-334-2605.

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Re: MAIL: crime and remailers
by Lile Elam 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wow, this just re-inforces my feelings that RSA is scum and Bidzos is at the heart of it and is extream slime and crud... I hated this jerk the first time I met him at a cypherpunks meeting some time ago... Wouldn't it wonderful if he would just crawl back under that scum rock that he came from... Maybe a sniper will hit him someday and free us from having to co-exist with this jerk... It sure is good to know that people don't live forever... :) I just had a terrible thought... what if he's *not* human!!!! the horror, the horror... -lile

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Re: Reserved DC-Net IP addresses - NOT!
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>2) To be interesting, DC nets require physically secure transmission > between neighbors. Given that the internet is not physically secure, > I'm not sure DC nets are going to run on the bare net > any time soon. Presumably one time pads could be used to > implement DC nets in order to maintain "unconditional" security or > public keys could be used to maintain "good" security. > >Perry DC nets don't need _physically_ secure transmission between neighbors, by any interpretation I can think of. Ordinary crypto security, arranged separately from the DC net per se, should be sufficient. For example, swIPe could fit nicely with DC nets. Or any of the usual public key methods. Maybe this is what Perry meant, but some might think from his words that _physical security_ is needed. It is not. Rishab Ghosh in India and Mats Bergstrom in Sweden and Matthew Gream in Australia could all participate in a a Dining Cryptographers Net using only Diffie-Hellman to set up the initial keys. Or using their existing public keys. --Tim May .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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