December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Privacy in the Projects
by nobody＠jarthur.cs.hmc.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

********************************************** yo,... check it out. here in the projects--we want privacy to... know what i'm sayin'? and 'punks, keep up the good work with that PCP [Pretty Cool Privacy]. and sarge, be cool, there's a lot of good brothers in the service--Semper Fi! when the infobahn gets to the projects, we'll be waitin' -O.G. ********************************************** L.A. Times 4/19/94 B1 Security Plan Draws Fire by Edward J. Boyer Safety: Public housing residents pan the proposal for metal detectors and gun searches at L.A. projects. President ClintonÕs call for tougher security in public housing projects, including metal detectors and random searches, was generally rejected Monday by residents at the Nickerson Gardens project in Watts. "We should not have any more sets of rules than the public at large just because we live in public housing," said Nora King, a past president of the project's Residents Advisory Council. Clinton made his call Saturday in an effort to rid gang-infested housing projects of guns after a federal judge in Chicago blocked authorities from conducting sweeps for weapons. The judge ruled that the sweeps violated constitutional protections against unreasonable searches and seizures. Public housing residents in Chicago requested the sweeps because they are "nearly desperate with conditions as they are," said Housing and Urban Development Secretary Henry G. Cisneros. But Los Angeles is not Chicago with its high-rise public housing, residents at Nickerson Gardens said. "People get robbed and raped in those elevators," King said. "From what I've seen, Los Angeles has it far better than people in Chicago." Metal detectors might make sense in Chicago, but there are no elevators and no common entry areas in the 1,066-unit Nickerson Gardens, the city's largest public housing project, residents said. "Where would they put metal detectors here?" asked Larry Moore, 25, who has lived in the projects all his life. "At everyone's front door?" Along with suggesting metal detectors, Cisneros said housing officials can retake their projects from gangs and drug dealers by erecting fences around the complexes, by conducting weapons searches in common areas such as on the grounds and in stairwells, and by urging tenants to sign consent forms permitting police searches. The get-tough policies "are targeted to Chicago, but the same approach will be available to other communities," Cisneros said Saturday. A Chicago police officer visiting Locke High School in Watts on Monday as part of an anti-gang rap music show said he is opposed to weapons sweeps at housing projects in his city. "Why sweep the buildings, when we should be sweeping the public schools, the entire neighborhoods," said Officer Eric Davis, 32, who is touring several cities with two other Chicago officers. The trio's rap group is called the Slick Boys. "We can chase guns out for one week," said Davis, who patrols Chicago's Cabrini Green public housing project. "But what about when the searches stop? We want to figure out how to give people self- esteem--give them a future." Weapons searches at Nickerson Gardens are not necessary, said Delaina Carr, a 15-year resident, "because people have a right to privacy." Security guards at night would be more helpful, she said. A RAND study released last year showed that the crime rate in Los Angeles public housing projects was three times as high as the citywide average from 1986 to 1989. But by the time the study was released, a reduction in violent incidents had begun, housing officials said. Gang violence, drugs and burglaries are still a concern, Carr said, but "it is quieter here since the gang truce a year and a half ago. You still hear gunshots, but you don't feel like a prisoner in your own unit." Fences, as suggested by Cisneros, might help control some crimes-- especially those committed by people who do not live in the project, Carr said. "They would improve security," she said. "People couldn't run from police who could catch them easier before they could climb a fence." King said a survey of residents several years ago showed that the majority were opposed to fencing in the project's 68.8 acres. But that attitude seemed to soften later, she said, and some residents now would support an architecturally attractive fence. Moore gave a qualified endorsement to weapons searches, saying: They could be cool. But they could lead to a lot of harassment." He said he is skeptical about any proposal to search people who look suspicious. "I've seen criminals in three-piece suits," he said. For one woman standing in her doorway, allowing searches is a moot question. "They do it now, anyway, don't they?" she asked. One man who has lived at Nickerson Gardens for 31 years said he would support bringing in more police, but only if the new officers "know what's going on here." "Train some of the residents to be police," said the man, who asked to remain anonymous. "We don't need police who've been watching too much television news." King supports hiring people who live in the community, and she is convinced that such officers would respond more quickly to calls. "It takes hours for the Housing Authority police to respond--if they come at all," she said. "If you're not white, you don't get that quick response." ********************************************** later.

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re: Sgt Russell
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wayne Q Jones regales us with > I see the Left hand of prognosticatory brilliance rears his beetled brow. >I'll just key my chaff maker and divert this dum dum missile. and >OK Russell, you're next..... >This is my response to your Kool-AId tirade... pppphhhhTTT! I see you were sticking your tongue out at Russell. I need to know whether you were sticking your tongue out when you responded to my message as well. By the way, I believe the word you're groping for is "prognosticative". If "prognosticatory" _is_ a word, which I doubt, it should be marched out back and shot immediately. I bet if you get someone to help you look it up and sound out the words in the definition for you, you might even have a fighting chance of using it properly in a sentence next time. Try asking one of the older children, if you can find one who isn't inclined to beat you up on sight. -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Re: Black Net
by jim＠Tadpole.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Providing evidence like this publically is about the equivilant > of suicide. Ahhhh, you could send it anonymously, no? > You really don't know who your dealing with do you? My point, exactly. :-) Jim

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Re: What the heck is this? Optical noise encryption?
by fnerd＠smds.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While dousing yet another "chaos encryption" rumor, Perry says- > All this "encryption with chaos" stuff just adds up to "look at my > fancy PRNG"... I think that's a very clear handle on chaos for people who know about PRNGs, or vice-versa. Chaos = PRNG. I wonder if there's any good cross-fertilization of the two fields beyond the obvious. -fnerd quote me - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gradually, I become aware of a presence. Between me and sustenance stands a woman in a suit. --Michael Swaine -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a aKxB8nktcBAeQHabQP/d7yhWgpGZBIoIqII8cY9nG55HYHgvt3niQCVAgUBLMs3K ui6XaCZmKH68fOWYYySKAzPkXyfYKnOlzsIjp2tPEot1Q5A3/n54PBKrUDN9tHVz 3Ch466q9EKUuDulTU6OLsilzmRvQJn0EJhzd4pht6hSnC1R3seYNhUYhoJViCcCG sRjLQs4iVVM= =9wqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Blacknet and espionage.
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Uh, As far as I've heard, Ames was not a major Blacknet user. The unknown grunt in the intelligence community who caught him is another matter. Hanno Reductionist <- You are obviously clueless. Ames transfered most if not all of his information through Blacknet. The recent attention to the security of the internet is at least partially a function of the ease with which export restricitons and espionage are facilitated on a DAILY BASIS by blacknet. It is the easiest method of underground data transfer. Period. This will [thankfully] be my last post on the subject. I've drawn quite enough attention to myself already.

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Re: Press Release on Secure NCSA Mosiac
by trestrab＠GVSU.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Miller writes: >I find it hard to believe a company that does *not* collect marketing >data will have a competitive advantage over a company that >*does* collect marketing data. Unless there exists a sufficiently large set of consumers who prefer to spend their money with companies who forego turning their trans- actions into marketing data, you're probably right. Jeff trestrab(a)gvsu.edu

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SOF ARTICLE
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

C'punks, I just got off the phone with the Executive Editor of "Soldier of Fortune." I pitched him on a Clipper/strong-encryption article. Because I am such a loyal C'punk, I agreed to write a 2500 word article on spec. If they don't think it will interest their readers, it will be put in the circular file. I'll do my best. S a n d y

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Re: Milgram & Authority (+Ethics)
by Jeff Davis 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)snark.imsi.com> bill.stewart(a)pleasantonca.ncr.com +1-510-484-6204 says: >> On the other hand, it may be that the time you heard Milgram speaking >> wasn't the *first* time he'd given his talk - he's probably >> spoken on the topic a few gazillion times, especially if he's >> talking to college audiences... >Mr. Davis has stated that he heard him presenting his paper on the >subject, which initially implied that Davis was there when Milgram was >presenting the original research. And Mr. Davis made that implication out of complete ignorance. I am not an acadamian. I am semi-retired, and was quitely living out my life in Wyoming until John Perry Barlow declared revolutionary war in cyberspace. Now I'm hanging out with Math PhD's and hardware engineers marveling at the acceleration of my learning curve. Thank you sincerly for the education, Perry. I appologize for my ignorance leading me to be dishonest. Standing corrected, I will be honest about meeting Milgram during a presentation on ethics in human experimentation. In respect to the inevitability of future stupidity on my part, I will immediately post a public admission of my error as I did now. r. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3a iQCVAgUBLbWa0V/ScHuGXWgVAQH1YQP/dwgwB/VzfffS4jV8YTJI7ukiIEo43C6D ofz9Mkb3Nyd6oxDHI3omySeud1K3oVKShs99TewPVB5o661eTpF+jcFk/qV4p1ac QPxpFBlG8/JCgWHLYB0UbfAhLP/EebMFa/QFvztJwCKKR67SL26wfaPHs8UB7/Vw HQ4pMFUPBqA= =dTOm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- PGP PUBLIC KEY via finger! JAFEFFM Speaking & Thinking For Myself! * eagle(a)deeptht.armory.com email info(a)eff.org * *** O U T L A W S On The E L E C T R O N I C F R O N T I E R **** ***** Committed to Free Public Internet Access for World Peace *****

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remailers
by Black Unicorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For some reason I have not been able to get any of the remailers to work with PGP encryption. In addition, the ping figures at the end of the soda finger file don't seem to have changed since I first looked at them some days ago.... is this just me? Is anyone out there chaining with PGP supporting remailers? Could ya drop me a line, preferably with some reply option, and give me a few hints? [sigh]

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simple_crypt comparison
by Buckley Collum 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For those who can determine crackability: Recently a message was posted which included source for a chaos-based crypt routine. How does this compare to the one-rotor crypt routine which is found in /bin? I.e., Which one would be easier to crack, and why? I am still learning, so I apologize for the waste of bandwidth if it is intuitively obvious to you. Both source files are attached. Thanks. Buckley Collum

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