December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Info on Clipper chip and fabrication of it
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Clipperpunks (Not!), Someone in the know passed on some information to me about the Clipper/Skipjack stuff. Here it is: ***begin quote*** An ARM processor will be used as a controller inside the Skipjack & ?? chips (don't think it's currently used in Clipper). VLSI progammable logic (EEprom based?) is used to both store the keys, and provide some other logic functions, so you can't read anything if you take the chip apart. I don't think any other exotic technologies are used. Mykotronix designs the mask- they're fabricated at VLSI. ***end quote*** We knew all of this, except for the part about the ARM processor (formerly the "Acorn Risc Machine") being used in the core. The ARM is a high MIPS-per-watt processor that is being used in the Apple Newton and the 3DO game machine. (I'll leave it to you all to construct some theories about what this might mean--but probably doesn't--for Newtons and 3DO containing Skipkjack features.) --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. Note: I put time and money into writing this posting. I hope you enjoy it.

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Re: Modem taps/Caller ID
by Dark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-> There was an intersting thread in comp.dcom.telecom about something called the "Presto Chango!" box, that transmits bogus CID information after the call is answered, so you can easily confuse most CID boxes in the market. Luis <- anyone have more info? -uni- (Dark)

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Re: ISS location
by Paul Goggin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bilbo Baggins (an6077(a)anon.penet.fi) queries: >As the subject says, has anyone located the ISS (Internet Security >Scan) on a ftp-site. I have seen the discussion about it, but not any >sites mentioned. (I have tried archie to!) As I have posted before and yet again.... Try aql.gatech.edu /pub/security/iss - -- R O All Comments Copyright by | Technofetishist A N Paul S. Goggin (1993) | Cypher, Cyber, Chaos V Information Broker | Ergoflux, Interzone E chaos(a)aql.gatech.edu | Carpe Diem: Stop the Clipper wiretap chip Finger account for latest _Phrack_ | Public Key: PGP and RIPEM available For anonymous communication:---> anon32940(a)anon.penet.fi - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Title 18 USC 2511 and 18 USC 2703 Protected -- Monitoring Absolutely Forbidden -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQCVAgUBLN/44Mjh5TPwiWbBAQHLzwP/Xnke5vfiD8C0GWw6MzfXPdSIQRvr+yUm mOIsx7FZbeEu78lI55jcgrDZ2Kz4mgROeHVfY3aEG3WnOfisDqH0bsKB6ddvdaW+ cmqRSazNAQkXtIbUYOLeAM+Sa5ziu1rKaBViBfFHWtcu7fHTfzatIxvDtkI1TZ/B XyavzNIz8Zk= =9cgw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Is Clipper Almost Dead? (was: Clipper and Tipper on Route 666)
by Clark Reynard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tcmay(a)netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: >I say we increase our attention on the Data Superhighway and try >to kill it as well. Does anyone wish to second the notion? I do. I think it would be very important if we could attempt to sway the Christian right into this; it is certain we probably don't agree on many issues, and the "700 Club" anti-Clipper piece was very effective, good video. If you don't believe me, watch it. They almost seem to agree with us entirely on the issue of cryptography. Perhaps it's time for a _new_ group; the cyphermonks. I nominate St. John the Divine as a patron saint. ---- Robert W. F. Clark PGP Key Available Upon Request rclark(a)nyx.cs.du.edu clark(a)metal.psu.edu

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Re: Q: Can anyone locate the ISS
by smb＠research.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

As the subject says, has anyone located the ISS (Internet Security Scan) on a ftp-site. I have seen the discussion about it, but not any sites mentioned. (I have tried archie to!) ftp.uu.net:/usenet/comp.sources.misc/volume39/iss

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Are we gatewayed to Usenet?
by tcmay＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Last night when I entered the newsgroups of my system (Netcom) I was given the choice of subscribing to a new newsgroup, "cypherpunks.list". I did with alacrity, to discover what was going on. Here's a sample of what's appeared so far (a screen in "tin"): ... 21 1 PC random number hardware Jon Boede 22 Need Info Christopher M. Wis 23 Wired 1.6 is not yet publically available Timothy C.Ma y 24 Caller ID Wabasha-Kellogg Hi 25 Tropez phones Wabasha-Kellogg Hi 26 1 TEMPEST, Van Eyck Radiation, and Eavesdroppin Timothy C. May 27 (fwd) Clipper and Tipper on Route 666 Timothy C. May 28 [alt.security.pgp] pgp.iastate.edu service di warlord(a)MIT.EDU 29 Mark Abene (Phiber Optik) sentenced Doug Merritt 30 TEMPEST Defenses and average Van Eck Gear... nobody(a)shell.porta 31 Nymalizer, politics on the list Greg Broiles 32 Test of this list... Timothy C. May I believe someone has gatewayed the list onto Netcom, which is available to many thousands of subscribers, including local POPs (points of presence) in Washington, D.C., Boston, Atlanta, Austin, and of course all up and down the West Coast. Is this such a good idea? And should it be unilaterally done? If there was discussion of this, I must've missed it somehow (which I doubt). It does look like it may've been a one-shot affair, as the recent messages to the List proper have not appeared in the newsgroup. Also, I posted a test message to the group, which appears above as item #32, but which appeared only in the newsgroup and not on the List proper (two hours have passed, so it may eventually appear). Certainly our List is not a deep, dark secret, and certainly we know the list is gatewayed into some local networks, but I really worry about everything we say hear being readable by anyone with a newsfeed. It also opens us up to more disruptive flaming and puerile argumentation. --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. Note: I put time and money into writing this posting. I hope you enjoy it.

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Re: Are we gatewayed to Usenet?
by ljenkins＠mv.us.adobe.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Is this such a good idea? And should it be unilaterally done? If there > was discussion of this, I must've missed it somehow (which I doubt). I think it is an spectacularly bad idea... Luis

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unsubscribe
by cdmorgan＠mosaic.uncc.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsubscribe me please Thank you

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Re: Are we gatewayed to Usenet?
by Joe Thomas 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > I believe someone has gatewayed the list onto > Netcom, which is available to many thousands of > subscribers, including local POPs (points of > presence) in Washington, D.C., Boston, Atlanta, > Austin, and of course all up and down the West > Coast. > > . . . > > It also opens us up to more disruptive flaming > and puerile argumentation. Chilling thought: strnlght(a)netcom.com A subscriber to Washington-based Digital Express recently asked on the digex.general group that the cypherpunks list be gatewayed to a newsgroup there, too. It hasn't shown up there, and I hope it doesn't. Mailing lists just "feel" a little more private, and their central administration makes possible some control over abusers. Has anyone sent mail to postmaster or news@netcom to ask them what they're doing? I'd feel a little funny doing so myself, since I'm not a subscriber. I have asked Digex not to gateway the list, though. Joe

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Re: Should we oppose the Data Superhighway/NII?
by jon＠balder.us.dell.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mike writes: > Doug writes: >> Mike Godwin <mnemonic(a)eff.org> said: >> >First of all, EFF's Open Platform says outright that the government is not >> >going to build the data superhighway. Check again if you don't believe me. >> >> Ah...do you mean "should not build", or do you really mean that it contains >> a discussion outlining the logic behind predicting that they *won't* >> build? > > Nobody seriously thinks the government's going to build a Data > Superhighway. EFF's interested in seeing the private sector do it. I thought we already had a data superhighway and what congress (et Al) is really talking about is a national system of on-ramps and off-ramps? Jon -- ,,, (o o) Jon Boede ----ooO-(_)-Ooo---- jon(a)dell.com +1 512 728-4802 Engineering, Dell Computer Corp. Server OS Development Austin, TX "When I was 10, mean old man Miller's house burned down. We put home plate where his toilet once stood -- his garden became our center field... and in these ways, the laws of karma were revealed."

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