December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

The Trouble With Harry
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com>: >Can you tell more about the lack of support from Austin cpunks, >any change, or are you left to fend for yourself? tis is why i am not a cypherpunk. you people have no care for your fellow man! first jim bell, then toto, now choate, soon youll all be gone....

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The Trouble With Harry (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: 22 Oct 1998 00:20:03 -0000 > From: HyperReal-Anon <nobody(a)sind.hyperreal.art.pl> > Subject: The Trouble With Harry > John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com>: > > >Can you tell more about the lack of support from Austin cpunks, > >any change, or are you left to fend for yourself? > > tis is why i am not a cypherpunk. you people have > no care for your fellow man! first jim bell, then > toto, now choate, soon youll all be gone.... Hold on hear a second, let's get the facts straight. I am NOT being accussed of anything. I have been asked to act as a witness for the prosecution (not explicitly the target thereof). Unfortunately for the prosecutions case, I'm not a witness to anything relevant. If I were aware of some kook running around building bombs with the intention of using them on people, their property, or animals I'd be the first to turn their nutty butts in. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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The latest news from Toto
by Joseph 'Anonymous' Howe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got a letter from Toto today, and he's doing well. Or at least as well as one can under his circumstances. He has a few friendly requests, though, which I'm not necessarily in any position to respond to. * Does anyone have an RSA-in-perl t-shirt (or sweatshirt, or whatever) to spare? He wants the Well Dressed CypherPunk Defendant Look (TM) in court. * Declan McCullagh: Congratulations, you've been added to the visitors' list. * Oh, yeah! If someone could mail me copies of the FPP stuff, it would be nice, since the Shrink Rapper has copies and I don't. (The IRS is sending it to him as part of his punishment for laughing at my jokes...) If anyone knows what he's referring to, reply to the cpunks list and I'll get in touch personally, or just mail it to him directly. MailMonger

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FW: rules of engagement (fwd)
by Carlos Macedo Gomes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Adam Back [SMTP:aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk] > Clearly I think one should be able to say wtf one wants to, and in > general I endeavor to do just that. But I am suggesting that > cypherpunks individually stear clear of grey areas, such as say > creative tax minimisation, Duncan Frissel style "it's not illegal to > do blah with social security numbers", Tim May style "I've got X > number of now illegal armament Y", (unless you also have the money for > good lawyers) and so on, whether technically legal or not, as one > would be taking above average risks in doing so, because governments > are watching this list, and a number of it's subscribers. I agree with Adam on sticking to legally achievable goals-- or at least legally achievable without needing unlimited funds to feed the army of lawyers that will be needed to keep you and your cohorts out of prison. To me that would include the realm of projects related to strong crypto, electronic cash, anonymity and privacy-- vague as those topics may be. That said... I was at the meeting in July with Jim when Toto showed up. It was my first attendance at an Austin Cpunk meeting and I was looking forward to working on some great projects with some hopefully great local folks. To me Toto showing up was simply a very interesting road sign (or graffiti) on the path to achieving pragmatic, long-living "cypherpunks write code" projects the first of which was to be the Crypto Conference that we were hoping to host and that we were discussing at that meeting with members of EF Texas. BTW: Whatever happended to the Classified Ad project?? Jim fought for that but it fell apart when the focus of the conference was was moved by another local group to a non-crypto topic. We took the synergies from the remains of conference project and started work on a Cypherpunks meta-web-archive this time with a joint effort by myself, some fellow programmers and the Austin Cpunks. This project as well started strong out of the gates but lost steam around the first corner. In part it was due to looming, work related project deadlines-- as far as I know none involved in the local projects are retired, Austin hitech fatcats (yet). But mostly this last project and the local meetings halted I think due to Jim's relating to the group the events that were happening with him regarding Toto. I think the really sad thing here is not that we didn't rise up as a group to stop the government's inquiries of Jim with regards to the Toto case but simply that we individually offered very limited support directly to Jim himself. And from speaking with Jim and reading his emails it appears that the support was in the form of a referral to lawyers (who apparently were not ready to do any _pro bono_ work) and an apology from myself for lack of offer of assistance when it became obvious to me that the long standing local group had not offered assistance. I think Jim did a great job with the local group and it's truly a sad indictment against the relationships we had (or thought we had) in the group where our "sponsor" is put in a spotlight for acting as a primary for the group that we're supposedly active in and there's no show of support... Again, not with intent to support Toto, or thwart government inquiries, but just to check to see how Jim's doing under the strain of possible government scrutiny. Anyhow the local group does look to be dead. I'd still like to get group coding projects and the like accomplished while I'm in Austin and suspect they will still happen and hopefully with Jim and some of the other local folks involved. But I don't think there will be an "Austin Cpunk" group after this. I'd be glad to have someone prove me wrong. That's my $0.02 on the events of the past few months.... Now back to reality. waves, C.G. -- Carlos Macedo Gomes gomes(a)navigo.com a Navigo farmer

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Re: Women cannot commit rape?
by Kevin Elliott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>French Supreme Court rules that women cannot commit rape > >Copyright © 1998 Nando.net >Copyright © 1998 Reuters News Service > >PARIS (October 21, 1998 06:38 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - >France's >Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday that women are unable to commit the >crime of >rape because they cannot sexually penetrate men. This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, technically speaking, their is no crime of "rape" just varying degrees and types of "criminal sexual assault". I'm suprised that hasn't trickled down to france yet. Rape is defined as forcing someone to have sexual intercourse. It doesn't take much imagination to build an argument that you can't force a man to have sex, after all he had to get aroused. The advantage of criminal sexual assualt is that it side steps these kind of issues by greatly broadening the crime to basicly forcing/manipulating someone to engae in any kind of sexual activity. ___________________________________________________________________________ "DOS/WIN based computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others, are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form." - New York Times -Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott <mailto:k-elliott@wiu.edu>

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Re: Women cannot commit rape?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, >technically speaking, their is no crime of "rape" just varying degrees and >types of "criminal sexual assault". I'm suprised that hasn't trickled down >to france yet. Rape is defined as forcing someone to have sexual >intercourse. It doesn't take much imagination to build an argument that >you can't force a man to have sex, after all he had to get aroused. The >advantage of criminal sexual assualt is that it side steps these kind of >issues by greatly broadening the crime to basicly forcing/manipulating >someone to engae in any kind of sexual activity. "You get hard right now or I take this knife and cut your balls off sloooowly! You have one minute." That is probably out in left field. I doubt it would happen much.

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Re: Women cannot commit rape? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:50:50 -0500 > From: Kevin Elliott <k-elliott(a)wiu.edu> > Subject: Re: Women cannot commit rape? > This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, I don't believe that is accurate. Just about 2 years ago two women were sentenced to prison because they kidnapped and raped a man. Perhaps one of the more versed in case law members might remember it. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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FW: rules of engagement (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:47:40 -0500 (CDT) > From: Carlos Macedo Gomes <gomes(a)www.navigo.com> > Subject: FW: rules of engagement (fwd) > discussing at that meeting with members of EF Texas. BTW: Whatever > happended to the Classified Ad project?? It was going along fine until I made the mistake of asking when.... I'd offered a couple of dates, nobody ever commented on them. I can still cover Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, El Paso. A single paper in each city. I'd say do it like Thanksgiving Day or Christmas. I need 1 months warning. It might be kind of cool to put regular ads in with various comments like the 1st Amendment, or questions regarding civil liberties, famous quotes, etc. Just sign it, Cypherpunks ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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RE: UK police chase crooks on CCTV (fwd)
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> William H. Geiger III[SMTP:whgiii@invweb.net] wrote (among other > stuff): > > > What we need is a mechanism to punish the politicians > who go down the Big Brother path *and* the companies > who are making big profits helping them. > IMHO the UK, and the rest of Europe, is a lost cause, > it's sheeple are too brainwashed The best bit of news of the last few days is Pinochet's arrest. It lifted my heart. Almost made up for the all the bad stuff the UK government has been coming out with. (Also it brought Thatcher out of the woodwork. Like a large segment of the British Tory party she really is/was an authoritarian, paying lip-service to the Free Market for political reasons. You can tell them by the company they keep.)

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