December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Why Does the CAUCE Oppose Privacy and Anonymity? (was: Re: RESULT: com
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

krueger(a)cs.umn.edu (Alan Krueger) wrote: > >>ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: > >> > >>>Anonymity has value that is greater than the value of CAUCE. > > > >Could someone help a rookie here? What's CAUCE and how does > >it relate to anonymity. > > It doesn't, per se, but a number of people choose to believe that. CAUCE > is the Coalition Against Unsolicted Commercial Email and supports the > banning of such unsolicited advertisements. See their web page at > http://www.cauce.org/ for more information. > > The yelling is about the proposed (now ratified) robo-moderation policy > for the *newsgroup* to discuss CAUCE issues, comp.org.cauce, which requires > that you post with a deliverable email address. This was supposed to > keep belligerant spammers and trolls from posting to the group without > having some kind of valid contact address. This was not supposed to be > anti-privacy, anti-munging, or anti-anonymity, though that is what seems > to be the big issue many people were having with it. That makes about as much sense as holding a rally to protest auto theft and requiring that each attendee leave his car UNLOCKED in the parking lot while attending. In this case, the price of admission to this "anti-UCE party" is to contribute one's e-mail address to the UCErs' mailing lists! And what, exactly, is the point of requiring "belligerant spammers and trolls" to post with a valid e-mail address? Unless they're planning to spam or mailbomb each other, they are the ones who have the least to fear from publicly broadcasting their e-mail addresses on a worldwide NG for the address harvesters to collect and exploit.

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PGP 5.5 Freeware
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: wprice(a)mail.pgp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:42:57 -0800 To: thomassr(a)erols.com From: Will Price <wprice(a)pgp.com> Subject: PGP 5.5 Freeware Cc: mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com Sender: <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> Precedence: Bulk Yes, a freeware version of 5.5 for Mac and Win32 will be available later today from the PGP, Inc. website. Since Linux 5.5 isn't ready yet, we're distributing source for diffs between PGP 5.0i b8 up to the final 5.0 UNIX release. Meanwhile, all the source to the Win32 and Mac versions of 5.5.2 is about to go to press. The version number of the freeware going up today is 5.5.2 as we've had a couple free updates since the main release of 5.5 Business Security. The freeware version contains information on exactly what the differences are between the Freeware, Personal Privacy, and Business Security editions of the product. -Will At 2:48 AM -0800 11/19/97, Tom Vier wrote: >> PGP 5.5 is available now, is fully compatible with MacOS 8.X, and has >> orders of magnitude more features and speed than FileCrypt. > >is there going to be a freeware version? what about source for >linux systems? Will Price, Architect/Sr. Mgr. Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. 555 Twin Dolphin Dr, Ste.570 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 Direct (650)596-1956 Main (650)572-0430 Fax (650)631-1033 Pager (310)247-6595 wprice(a)pgp.com Internet Text Paging: <mailto:1333485@roam.pagemart.net> <pgpfone://clotho.pgp.com> <http://www.pgp.com> PGPkey: <http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5797A80B> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually, many studies have found that immigrants, legal and illegal, make a net positive contribution to the economy, even considering their access to government services. Anyone who has worked with these people knows that most of them work harder than native born Americans. Even aside from the strictly economic balance sheets, giving these people the opportunity to succeed in a free country is a significant moral benefit which must count in favor of free immigration. They also serve to make our country more multi-cultural, with greater awareness and appreciation of the value of alternate customs and lifestyles. We develop "hybrid vigor", as our culture is cross fertilized by elements from all around the world. The result is an incredibly dynamic and flexible culture, which is why the United States will continue to be a world leader for the next century. Of course, this gift of diversity causes immigrants to be hated and feared by racists such as Tim May, who sees them only as targets to mock with threats of murder: > Ironically, the authorities are refusing to enforce the immigration laws. > This is why the militias here in California have been forced to deal with > illegal immigrants in the only way left to them. (There's a hunt in > Imperial Valley this coming Saturday.)

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Search engines and https
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While trying to submit the cypherpunks.to website to a few search engines, I noticed that none of them seems to support indexing of https URL's. Is anybody here aware of a search engine that indexes secure web pages? And if there is no such search engine, what are the thoughts on using https to deliberately keep pages out of indices? Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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OECD E-Commerce web
by Jyri Kaljundi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't remember if it was already mentioned, but the OECD E-Commerce conference is also being broadcast using Realaudio/Realvideo by EUNet. The web page is at http://www.turku.eu.net/ (And the official conference web is at: http://www.oecd.org/dsti/iccp/e-comm/index.htm ) Jyri Kaljundi jk(a)stallion.ee AS Stallion Ltd http://www.stallion.ee/

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1st Great Awakening
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> X-within-URL: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/great_awakening.html > The Great Awakening (Second Turning, 1727-1746) began as a spiritual > revival in the Connecticut Valley and reached an hysterical peak in > the northern colonies (in 1741) with the preachings of George > Whitefield and the tracts of Jonathan Edwards. The enthusiasm split > towns and colonial assemblies, shattered the old light > establishment, and pitted young believers in faith against elder > defenders of works. After bursting polite conventions and lingering > Old World social barriers, the enthusiasm receded during King Georges > War.

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Marshmallows
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attached was sent this noon.

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Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:00:08 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: dweightman(a)pop.radix.net To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com, : From: Donald Weightman <dweightman(a)Radix.Net> Subject: Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 For Heaven's sake, guys, there were _two_ religious revivals by the name of the 'Great Awakening'. One in England, early 18thC., most prominent product: John Wesley & Methodism. The other in this country, at its height in the 1840's, with the Church of the Later Day saints as _its_ most prominent product. Don Weightman At 08:13 AM 11/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >This mail is brought to you by the e$pam mailing list >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd) >To: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com (Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer) >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:43:13 -0600 (CST) >X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com >X-Loop: ssz.com >X-Language: English, Russian, German >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> >X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > >Forwarded message: > > > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:10:17 -0500 > > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > > Subject: Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd) > > > > > At 3:14 pm -0500 on 11/18/97, Jim Choate shows the benefits of being on the > > top of a CDR address stack :-) : > > > > > Um, I believe that went from the late 1500's to the early 1700's at best. > > > > Nope. Check it out. As defined in any decent book of American history, > > well, maybe one that hasn't been too "revised" :-), the "Great Awakening", > > which gave us most of our American-flavored religions, happened in the > > early part of the 19th century, though rumblings started shortly after the > > revolution. > > I did a little web-search (still being at work and deprived of my library) > but what I can find clearly indicates the 'Great Awakening' was fininished > by the mid to late 1750's. Most of the sources that I found from Alta Vista > give the beginning of the Great Awakening as the late 1600's to early > 1700's. > > While I clearly put the beginning of the movement too early (I always get > this confused with the beacon on the hill jive) all the evidence that I > can gather shows that it did *not* extend into any part of the 1800's. > As I understood the movement it didn't survive the American War of > Indipendance. > > I used Alta Vista and search terms of 'great' & 'awakening'. > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > | | > | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | > | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | > | | > | -Alan Greenspan- | > | | > | _____ The Armadillo Group | > | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | > | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | > | .', |||| `/( e\ | > | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | > | ravage(a)ssz.com | > | 512-451-7087 | > |____________________________________________________________________| > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion >http://www.hyperion.co.uk/ info(a)hyperion.co.uk >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Full-Strength Cryptographic Solutions for Worldwide Electronic Commerce >http://www.c2.net/ stronghold(a)c2.net >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Like e$? Help pay for it! >For e$/e$pam contributions or sponsorship: <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: RESULT: comp.org.cauce passes 548:122
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tskirvin(a)uiuc.edu (Tim Skirvin) wrote: > Followup-To: comp.org.cauce [...] > [note followups] Unable to comply, for obvious reasons. > ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: > > >What I _do_ see is that the un-elected "representatives" of CAUCE > >outlawed anonymous postings in their newsgroup. > > To repeat for everyone else - they have done no such thing. > Anonymous postings are still okay in comp.org.cauce - however, the address > must point back to a real address. If an address points back to a real address, then it's not *ANONYMOUS*, though. > If anything, COC's moderation procedure has shown that they're in favor of > anon.penet.fi-style anonymous remailers - which, in my mind, is a good idea. Anon.penet.fi was *NOT* an anonymous remailer, though. It was a "pseudonym server". The fact that it maintained a database by which posts could be "traced back to a real address" is the main reason why it's no longer in operation. Maintaining that sort of information is an open invitation for abuse by censorious elements, such as the "Church" of $cientology. The chilling effect of knowing that identifying information is available for abusive individuals and organizations to demand amounts to a form of censorship through intimidation. Ultimately, IMO, you harm the anti-UCE cause when you bundle it with an anti-privacy agenda which requires broadcasting one's identity as the price of free expression. > Anonymity by forgery, of course, isn't allowed in COC. I don't > see this as an overly bad thing. Anonymity by munging isn't allowed there > either, but I don't consider that to be anonymity in the first place. This message, for example, uses neither method to attain anonymity, yet it would be banned from comp.org.cauce. --

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Nobuki Nakatuji
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nobuki Nakatuji, though lesser known, is like Monty Cantsin and Luther Blissett, well-burnished pseudonyms used by wads of artistes who believe them to be more artful than hoary Anonymous. Globalists are producing variations of nom-de-plumes to scribe a message to the clued - duh, in Imperialist Yanklish. Reputation capital and persistent identity convince only the duh-speakers who believe insider secrets, insider lies of hot IPOs, and MISTY/RSA chips ostensibly made in JP and NDA-ed to the gullible by pseudo-chipper fab-lab MD-stingmasters.

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