December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Recreational pharmaceuticals by genetic engineering
by Neil McKenty (WWBAKL) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>-----Original Message----- >From: snow [SMTP:snow@smoke.suba.com] >Sent: Friday, 11 July 1997 15:06 >To: tcmay(a)got.net >Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Re: Recreational pharmaceuticals by genetic engineering > >> >try to haul off people who have pond scum in their bird feeders and the >> >like. (Anything that will make them look even more absurd...) >> Speaking of which, I recall that the origins of LSD were from some kind of >> fungus or "rust" found on some types of grain. > > Ergot, a mold that grows on certain types of Rye or fescue, I forget >which. This is used to make Ergotamine (imine?) which is used in treatment >of certain types of migraines. > > >They also use the same mould, ergot, to make hydergine. A supposed smart >drug/nutrient.

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Cypherpunks cap?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anybody know who might be willing to sell one of the old Cypherpunks baseball caps? I need one for an outfit I am putting together. Thanks, --Lucky --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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US and EU at odds on data protection
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠bxl.dg13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Internet: US and EU at odds on data protection THURSDAY JULY 10 1997 By Neil Buckley -- Begin Differences between US and European Union laws on personal data protection have emerged as a potentially serious barrier to creation of a global free market for commerce on the internet. The European Commission yesterday urged the US to strengthen its laws on data privacy to bring them into line with European equivalents, or risk seeing curbs on exchange of information. The latest hurdle to development of a worldwide internet marketplace emerged at a meeting between Mr Ira Magaziner, senior adviser to President Bill Clinton and architect of last week's US report on electronic commerce, and Mr Hans Beseler, Commission director-general for trade policy. It came a day after differences emerged between EU ministers and the US at a conference in Bonn over the unrestricted use of encryption technology on the global computer network. A recently adopted EU directive on data protection makes it illegal after October 1998 for EU businesses to "export" personal data for commercial purposes to countries which lack comparable privacy laws. Such a ban could prevent the sale of customer information, or even exchanges of marketing databases between subsidiaries of international companies. The clause has already been cited by financial services groups as a potential barrier to trade. Commission officials said they were concerned that consumers would refuse to buy products or services on the internet if they were not confident that personal data they provided would be secure, and that they would not be bombarded by unsolicited marketing. Brussels wants the US to introduce European-style privacy laws. "The creation of a federal privacy body with powers to hear and investigate complaints, and act as interlocutor for European data protection authorities, would be a big step in the right direction," a Commission official added. But the US fears heavy-handed privacy rules could stifle trade, and prefers industry self-regulation. Mr Magaziner suggested internet traders should develop a voluntary code of conduct, with "seals of approval" for companies pledging to respect privacy and security of personal information. "Industry and consumer groups have the same incentive as we have to protect privacy, because they won't do business unless people feel their privacy is protected," he said. "Ultimately the power rests with consumers. They can buy or not buy, go to one web site or not go." Mr Magaziner suggested it would be a mistake for the EU to isolate itself by applying the clause in its data protection directive next year. © Copyright the Financial Times Limited 1997 "FT" and "Financial Times" are trademarks of The Financial Times Limited. -- End We are not amused Theodor Schlickmann

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Gene Engineered Drug Production
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, The topic of producing recreational pharmacuticals via gene engineered organisms is an interesting topic and one we discussed at least briefly 3-4 years ago. Might be worth reviewing the archives. There are some issues that I believe have kept this from being a commen practice: * Other than Marijuana and Cocaine most of the street pharmacuticals base chemicals take too much post-production to get them to a usable result. Either the process is something without an analog in the cellular systems or else it requires chemicals that don't occur in nature in great quantities and are such that you wouldn't want it produced inside the person taking the material. * Marijuana's complete gene map has only been available for a little over 2 years. * Educational and commercial institutions are not going to allow those with access either time or supplies to complete the project. * The LEA's and drug cartels would hunt the original designer(s) down and most likely terminate with extreme prejudice. You would be taking money from their mouths (so to speak). * Currently there is no country who has a legal structure such that they would be an acceptable haven. * Where's the profit? The person who creates it most definitely will not get rich. Just imagine filing your patent app. * E. coli or cooking yeast seem to be the best target. Both are fully mapped and acceptable to human systems. * In the case of Marijuana the chemicals produced by the genes are further processed and THC gets produced at this stage. This means the entire 2-tier process must be moved over. Neither yeast or E. Coli have this process in place (both being animals that isn't a surprise). This complicates the process greatly. * We are just waiting for some bright sole who believes that not only should "information be free" but so should drugs and is willing to spend 20 years or so on the run. * Regulation of production is a big unsolved problem. Assume for a moment that you have ingested some yeast that is producing TCH. How do you turn the regulation up or down? How do you keep the production from running away? Most drugs LD50 is simply way too low for such ad hoc regulation, drugs like TCH and LSD have ingestion levels of such magnitude that LD50 becomes a side issue. LSD would have a self regulating effect so it would be mediated irrespective of the level produced. THC on the other hand if not regulated would keep you in a sleepy daze most of the time. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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[ZOG] MARXIST COHEN WANTS 'CURTAILED FREEDOM': CALL TO ARMS WANTED
by Igor Chudov ＠ home 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

fyi igor Anonymous <nobody(a)REPLAY.COM> wrote: * Defense Chief Says U.S. Freedom May Have To Be Curtailed * ___________________________________________________________ * Their inward part is destruction itself. Their throat is an * open grave; they flatter with their tongue. * Psalms 5:9 * ___________________________________________________________ * * Defense secretary calls for even more preventive measures. * * Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose * between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection. Defense * Secretary William S. Cohen says. * * The nation's defense chief told the Army Times he once considered the * chilling specter of armored vehicles surrounding civilian hotels or * government buildings to block out terrorists as strictly an overseas * phenomenon. But no longer. * * It could happen here, Cohen said he concluded after eight months of studying * threats under the Pentagon microscope. * * Free-lance terrorists with access to deadly chemical and biological bombs * are "going to change the way in which the American people view security in * our own country, he predicted in a Sept. 10 interview. * * Cohen is calling for the government to step up its efforts to penetrate * wildcard terrorist organizations. * * "It's going to require greater intelligence on our part - much greater * emphasis on intelligence gathering capability, more human intelligence, and * it's going to take more technical intelligence," he said. * * But using the U.S. military in a domestic law enforcement role would require * revisions to laws in force for more than a century, cautions Shreveport * attorney John Odom Jr. "You can't do it from the the Defense Department side * unless Congress dramatically revises the Posse Comitatus laws," said Odom, a * colonel in the U.S. Air Force Reserve and a reserve judge advocate. * * The 1878 law specifically prohibits the use of the military in domestic law * enforce- ment unless authorized by Congress or the Constitution and does not * allow for military intervention through action by the secretary of defense * or even an executive order from the president, Odom said. * * "We're trained from the first day of judge advocate school to think of Posse * Comitatus !! Odom said. "If Secretary Cohen is suggesting that the * Department of Defense be involved, it may be part of a legislative package. * But it will not happen unilaterally without a lot of folks thinking long and * hard about it." * * Cohen said terrorism would be a top priority in five new areas he plans to * focus on now that he has wrapped up his first defense budget, the * quadrennial review of the military and a new, four-year defense strategy. * * Other goals include modernizing the military, improving troops housing and * other benefits, streamlining the defense bureaucracy and shaping new * military relationships and contacts across the globe. * * * >From Staff and Wire Reports * The Times of the Ark-La-Tex * 15 September 1997 * (Submitted by Danny Cox) * * -- - Igor. The average American spends a total of six (6) months in prison.

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Re: [ZOG] MARXIST COHEN WANTS 'CURTAILED FREEDOM': CALL TO ARMSWANTED
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:20 PM -0700 10/29/97, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >* Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose >* between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection. Defense >* Secretary William S. Cohen says. And no doubt this means GMR for all crypto. And if we say "No thanks" to the no-knock searches, the street friskings, the "Papierren, bitte??" travel restrictions, what then? Not much of a choice, eh? The spinmeisters are laying the groundwork for martial law. Just what we've been hearing about for years. Get ready. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Either Klintonkov, the congresscritters, and the directors of everyone's favorite TLAs have *COMPLETELY* lost their marbles, or the word 'constitution' is about to become very un-PC. Get your plane tickets to countries where sanity still remains (if there are any left) before international air travel is suddenly banned because of 'terrorist threats to national security'. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Surveilance is Security. I'm from the government and I'm here to help you. ParanoiaMonger

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Just wanted to let you know
by DaveL＠classifiedcentral.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: [ZOG] MARXIST COHEN WANTS 'CURTAILED FREEDOM': CALL TO ARMS WANTED
by Rebel Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* Defense secretary calls for even more preventive measures. * * Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose * between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection. Defense * Secretary William S. Cohen says. * * The nation's defense chief told the Army Times he once considered the * chilling specter of armored vehicles surrounding civilian hotels or * government buildings to block out terrorists as strictly an overseas * phenomenon. But no longer. Heavy shit ...and now it begins

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