December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <343b60e7.102167602(a)128.2.84.191>, phelix(a)vallnet.com writes: }On 5 Oct 1997 00:21:33 -0500, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote: } }> }>John Young wrote: }>> Dimitri: }>> Perhaps this is unfair, but it now appears that you are using }>> the disputed censorship issue to cloud your reluctance, or }>> inability, to substantiate a fault in Stronghold. }> }>Unless C2Net publicly announces that Dimitri is free to post }>anything he chooses about C2Net and the software they produce, }>without threat of lawsuit or prosecution, then it is patently A "public announcement" by the proven liars at C2 doesn't constitute a release from liability and wouldn't do much, legally, to protect Vulis from harrassment lawsuits. C2 can turn around and sue Vulis anyway. "So, I lied. Again." - Sameer }>unfair to castigate him for failing to share whatever information }>he may have in regard to their product. }>Like it or not, C2Net has declared that the integrity of their }>product is dependent upon men with guns who have the power to }>take people before the inquisitors, squelching all intimations }>of weakness or impropriety in the design of their product. }> } }Use the remailers. That's what they're there for. Am I being overly }simplistic here? If someone other than Vulis (me, for instance) published the Stronghold backdoor (widely known by now) via an anonymous remailer, then Sameer Parekh could still sue Vulis for having discovered it first, or to "make example" of him, and to intidimate other security experts who are aware of Stronghold's many holes. For example, Sandy Sandfort, Parekh's marketing director, wrote to Vulis: } ... we'll slap a libel suit across your emigrant ass, take back }your green card, deport you and tell Russia that you called Yeltsin a }cocksucker ... C2 is obviously deperate to suppress the information that's already known to an increasing number of people in the field. Their threats against Vulis may be one of the reasons why none of the security experts, who confirmed the presense of serious security flaws in Stronghold, are saying much about this. The BackdoorMonger

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Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Traffic Analysis (fwd) > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 11:59:53 -0400 > > On 10/3/97 10:49 AM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: > > >If the MTBF for a remailer is n then the MTBF for m remailers is > >n*m. Inother words the remailer chain gets less reliable as it gets > >longer. > > Jim, you want to take a look at that "n*m" again ... it doesn't > wash. means MTBF goes *up* which means *more* reliable. Remember n is a fraction, failures/time_period ... If your MTBF is 1 failure per year for each system and you have 10 systems your MTBF is 10 failures per year. Looks like multiplication to me.... Course you can look at it another way as well. Which would mean you would have 1 failure every 10th of a year. That's division, and also misleading because failures don't care about the time period, they may happen all at once. Depends on how you look at MTBF, I generaly look at it the first way because I can use addition if I'm working on a system that don't have multiplication (eg machine code on a 68HC11) that way I don't have to build some damn floating poing library to do division ... Statistics, damn statistics, and lies. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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testing 1 2 3
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

bleh

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by linia32＠earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Stronghold
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri and Cloned Anonymees continued the rotten-egging of Stronghold faults: If there's a fault in Stronghold, expose it, in detail, for merely proclaiming there is, is sour grapes commercial knocking of a superior product, or worse, evidence of complicity with those dark forces who want to prevent global spread of strong products. Sniff that rhetoric. It's the same old Backdoor gossip, as with PGP (freeware version, not the latest Freehware, which is evil, evil, how could you Phil?). Using the threat of a lawsuit as grounds to prevent disclosure is shrewd way of avoiding having to document an allegation. Dimitri, you're one smart son of a bitch, and my hat off to your genius at the dirty business of defamation, no holds barred. Defaming an eating-your-lunch competitor is fair play, as C2 shows how to call your bluff with a bullshit legal bluff. Anybody with a reliable info on a hidden backdoor in Stronghold or Dimitri or me, as with PGP, should get the evidence out for verification. Otherwise, such ranting is just trash talk of the bluffing game. Dimitri, out with Stronghold's fault, if you've got it. C2, cut the legal bluff, it stinks. The badmouthing by both of you is the same old toxic waste -- and may mean the two of you're are now in cahoots to boost each other's shoddy goods and hide the faults behind a phony dispute, like 50 years of mock competitive Ameri-Russky junk national security communist-capitalist racketeering so beloved by die-hard globalist TLAs of business and government. And I'm eager to rotten-egg it onward.

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Re: Stronghold
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: | C2 is obviously deperate to suppress the information that's already known to | an increasing number of people in the field. Their threats against Vulis may | be one of the reasons why none of the security experts, who confirmed the | presense of serious security flaws in Stronghold, are saying much about this. The information regarding the security flaws in Stronghold comes at a pretty dear price currently. With the increasing value of this type of information in the corporate underworld, the bugs and backdoors in security software that are revealed to the world make up only a small portion of those that are known to exist by those who have the funds to purchase them. For every free spirit who publishes a security flaw, there are a dozen enterpreneurs who recognize the value of the information they hold. MoneyMonger

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Re: Quor's cipher
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Antonomasia <ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> wrote: > This cypher is constructed differently from RC4 or fish - not as simple as > WAKE but broadly comparable to Sapphire II. I think I'll enlist the help > of a search engine. It's more than likely there other things waiting to > be done to this. It seems to be roughly a cross between a stream cypher and a block cypher. Search engine turned up absolutely nothing on this. > Quor's friend 'nobody' has actually put some crypto on > the list -let's see what we can do with/to it. An actual crypto post on a cryptography list? How unusual.... ;-)

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ISDN status - intermittent
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Just a quick head-up.... The ISDN is going up and down today, there are several SWBT trucks in the neighborhood. My suspicion is that they are working on the trunk line throw from the N. Lamar station to the one on Duval behind the church. If this is the problem then it should go stable (or go dead because of another documentation error like last time) sometime this afternoon. Sorry for any inconvenience. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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MTBF
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, MTBF is usualy given as a single number, number_of_base_time_units from initial turn-on to 1st failure given no power downs or other interruptions. This is effectively of the form number_of_base_time_units/failure. This is clearly equivalent to number_of_failures/base_time_unit for practical use. Especialy considering that in this form you generaly don't ever need to do a division as you do if you use the first form. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Pretty Good Piracy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If anyone has a copy of Viacrypt's Pretty Good Prying, it would be nice if they would make it available to those who want to get to work finding out how to best sabotage it. I am not against Viacrypt producing surveillance software for those who want it, but I resent their perversion of a product whose reputation capital is the result of the integrity and effort of a great many people whose interests lie in privacy, not in surruptitious surveillance. I can guarantee that any system I have access to which contains this twisted sister of PGP will have my hand up its dress, playing with its private parts. What is ViaCrypt's marketing plan? "Make sabotaging the security of your system a badge of honour among the elite of the computer security industry. Buy mis-represented PGP." "You need not fear our product having been sabotaged by privacy purists within ViaCrypt, because we fired all the people with integrity." "We stole the reputation, but we wouldn't steal your information." "It's not GAK. I was just clearing my throat." "Tired of the employees banging your wife...?" RottsaRaffsMongel

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