December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

C'Punk Action Project - Help the Newbie
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A Law Abiding Citizen wrote: > > I'm new to encryption, having just purchased PGP. I want to abide by > the law, but I don't know who to send a copy of my secret key to. We need to compile a list of people that law-abiding citizens can send copies of their secret keys. I will start the list with those that the LAC has already mentioned. Surely other C'punks will have their own nominees for this position of supreme trust. 1. The FBI guy who shot Randy Weaver's wife. 2. The FBI guy, Kahoe, who ordered evidence of the FBI murder of citizens destroyed. 3. One of the other four top FBI officials who helped with the cover-up? 4. Your drug drug dealer, to pass along to his CIA connection. 5. A Jewish person, to give to the Mossad, to pass on to the CIA. 6. The NYC cop with the toilet plunger in his hand.

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Note to cypherpunks in Chile
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Next week I'll be speaking at REUNA-InternetWorld'97 in Santiago, Chile, staying at the Hotel Plaza San Francisco. I'd love to meet anyone who wants an update on U.S. Net-politics (or vice versa). -Declan ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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D. DENNING's report
by Jerome Thorel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi folks, Did you saw an onine version of the study by D. Denning & William E. Baugh, Jr., "ENCRYPTION AND EVOLVING TECHNOLOGIES AS TOOLS OF ORGANIZED CRIME AND TERRORISM". I've got the paper version, but am seeking an online one. Excerpt here: http://guru.cosc.georgetown.edu/~denning/crypto/oc-abs.html If there is no digital version, I can scan it for the community. PLEASE ANSWER ME PRIVATLY - am not a cypherpunk sub' --> Jerome Thorel lambda bulletin Paris, France www.freenix.fr/netizen <--

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Guilt
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous wrote: >Alex Le Heux wrote: >Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >>Let's also take a look at the Dutch performance during their >>occupation. While there certainly were many courageous Dutch people >>who helped refugees (at great personal risk, to say the least), and >>there were many courageous Dutch people who were in the resistance, >>there were also many Dutch people who did not perform so well. Not >>only were a large number of Jewish people turned in by Dutch >>informers, but there were even Dutch SS units. > >You have a nerve. You, coming from a country where people are still >regularly killed in the name of racism, tell me this?! >Alex >------------ >The Same Old Guy replied: > >Want the cold, hard facts of life, Bubba? >You didn't put WWII 'behind' you. We did! >Gun-loving Americans conquered your continent and gave you your >countries back instead of enslaving you, like every other winner in >history has done. > >*** Certified Low Blow *** >Some of us discriminate against Jews. Do you know why? >Because we HAVE some! >*** Certified Low Blow *** > >We were giving them refuge while Europe was massacring them by the >millions. Now you have the balls to say we're not all treating them >right all of the time. >Buy a fucking clue! Monty Cantsin is feeling a bit guilty about starting this. While there is some value in taking the smug Europeans down a few notches, it is beginning to look as if some Americans need to be taken down a few notches as well. "The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People" by John Loftus and Mark Aarons. Pages 49-50: "In 1943 the Holocaust was in full operation, but in April of that year in Bermuda, a conference of British and American officials formally decided that nothing should be done about it. They 'ruled out all plans for mass rescue.' The British Foreign Office and the U.S. State Department were both afraid that the Third Reich would be quite willing, indeed eager, to stop the gas chambers, empty the concentration camps, and let hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Jewish survivors emigrate to freedom in the West. The Foreign Office 'revealed in confidence' to the State Department its fear that Hitler might permit a mass exodus. If approaches to Germany to release Jews were 'pressed too much that is exactly what might happen.'[46] "The bigoted reality behind the Secret Report of the Easter 1943 Bermuda Conference was that not a single Allied nation wanted to let teh Jews settle in its country. The unspoken consensus was that it was better to let Hitler handle them than arrange a mass evacuation to the United States, England, or Canada. In short, the Jews were expendable to the war effort.[47] Only after the war was it confirmed that a rescue operation to the Nazi concentration camps could have been successful. 'Marshal of the RAF Sir Arthur `Bomber` Harris declared afterwards that a rescue plan was `perfectly feasible, but I was never asked to undertake it.`'[48] "No one campaigned to rescue the Jews because the leaders of the Western nations had deliberately withheld the truth about the Holocaust from their own citizens. After verification by each of the Allied intelligence services, the body counts of murdered Jews were quietly classified as early as September 1941." Pages 70-71: "Ibn Saud had no intention of ever letting a single Jew emigrate to Palestine. President Roosevelt discovered this for himself, but too late. "In February 1945, just before he died, President Roosevelt personally met Ibn Saud. He attempted to enlist the king's support for the Zionist solution, but Ibn Saud firmly rejected the idea, instead suggesting that the Allies should give 'them and their descendants the choicest lands and homes of the Germans who oppressed them' or that the Allied countries take in the Jews themselves.[57] "The king's vehement opposition to Jewish migration was a bit of a shock to Roosevelt, who was strongly sympathetic to the Zionist cause. Yet none of the Western nations was ever prepared to take more than a handful of Holocaust survivors. As one book showed, the Canadian policy was 'none is too many.' The king seemed to recognize this, and he reminded Roosevelt that Palestine had already taken 'its fair share of refugees from Europe.' "Suddenly the president's sympathy for the Jews was wavering. He told Ibn Saud that 'he would do nothing to assist the Jews against the Arabs and would make no move hostile to the Arab people.' Roosevelt's new policy was to be netural, but neutral in favor of the Arabs.[58] It was an uncomfortable lesson for the ailing president. The choice seemed clear enough. The United States could help the Jews found their home in Palestine, or it could have Saudi Arabia's oil as the engine room for postwar dominance. It seemed to Roosevelt that could not have both. He chose oil." Footnotes, Chapter 2: [46] David Wyman, "The Abandonment of the Jews" (New York: Pantheon, 1984), p. 342 [47] For accounts of the official policies of the various Allied governments, see Walter Laqueur, "The Terrible Secret" (London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1981); and Martin Gilbert, "Auschwitz and the Allies" (London: Michael Joseph/Rainbird, 1981). [48] Ricahrd Deacon, "The Israeli Secret Service" (London: Sphere, 1979), p. 29. Footnotes, Chapter 3: [57] The king's ". . . firmness disconcerted Roosevelt, who seems to have believed a few hours' personal chitchat and some lavish Lend-Lease assistance would win the King of Arabia to his purpose. "The president tried another tack. He was counting on the legendary hospitality of the Arab, he said, to help solve the problem of Zionism. But [the king] did not see why the Arabs of Palestine should feel especially hospitable towards the Jews. "'Make the enemy and the oppressor pay,' he said; 'that is how we Arabs wage war.' "It was not the Arabs of Palestine who had massacred the Jews. It was the Germans and, as 'a simple bedouin,' the Sa'udi king could not understand why the president seemed so eager to save Germany from the consequences of its crimes. . . ." Kelly, "Arabia, the Gulf and the West" (New York: Basic Books, 1980), pp. 271-272. [58] Returning to Washington, a chastened Roosevelt told Congress that "from Ibn Saud, of Arabia, I learned more of the whole problem of the Moslems and more about the Jewish people in 5 minutes than I could have learned by the exchange of a dozen letters." Ibid., p. 272. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDVRD5aWtjSmRH/5AQGxqgf+Mc4zodAP9o7ymAVZpslQbrI+EuZhqhqA Wp86+KRsihdDU67YsqlEFAUz8gZXVeWsx7yJEIf94byDlP2BkeZoXhTaafrOpsne yj8tlpjhgVgFJopM3FX8PmNHK0YHrGdv7O2G+2k02z6B9jlDIv3VXbcvleX2O0iW 1o7syi6sUE9yt9ZozQS8H4AQZypPxg0OmkY/O0WunyXGOZJcSWthCgomwNAt/tz6 OBzj7csVq1lw4/+yUegEQmsimWSy+Q88HJeuiS5jJH3/jiNCaIStsBLBMYv+ql0X 7aNK7F48ckoVbC/OC5QobH2ELYs56BjqZ3N2yRnuOudhtVUO/b8Iqw== =QySR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Freedom of Encryption: Is it SAFE?
by Michael Pierson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There has been much discussion recently concerning how to fix certain flaws, or block various amendments in encryption legislation being shepherded through Congress. A far more fundamental problem with these legislative efforts from the beginning was that they involved an implicit concession to the idea that a U.S. citizen's freedom to privately exchange information in whatever coding scheme he or she might choose required some kind of government affirmation or ratification as validation. Once one seeks for the government's deigning to "affirm the rights of United States persons to use and sell encryption", it can (and does) then easily proceed to attach conditions and caveats to these "affirmed" rights. In the process the surveillance hawks within the government have managed, with hardly any struggle, to advance the appearance of legitimacy for their claims of authority to regulate this form of expression. Now comes an expectation that the nature of these "affirmed rights" should be tailored to address "the concerns of national security and the federal law enforcement community." This same community has on occasion complained about how their efforts to fight organized crime and terrorism are being thwarted by not having the modern newspeak disguised equivalent of "Writs of Assistance" (and they are arguably making progress toward acquiring just such powers IMO). Very few politicians are willing to commit the heresy of clearly and staunchly asserting that the information coding methods used by citizens are under no obligation to pass any litmus test, or to be subject to any kind of prior approval or restraint determined by criteria of the law enforcement establishment or anyone else. If the Feds lament that this will make their job harder, too bad. In the words of Orson Welles: "Only in a police state is the job of a policeman easy." When these various legislative efforts attempted to reach beyond the issues of export restrictions to address those of domestic use, they became a doubtful and dangerous fix to something that wasn't broke in the first place. If the Government is intent on "abridging the freedom" to use strong encryption domestically, a legislative affirmation of these rights is feeble comfort at best. If I'm seeking to protect my possessions, I don't ask a thief to affirm my property rights. Of course, even the export question is really about the aims of the state's surveillance constituency to obstruct the wide deployment of strong encryption domestically, and its interoperability on the internet as a whole. Challenging the derisible bogosity of the "preventing the Evil Ones from acquiring this technology" rationale that is invoked to justify these restrictions was not something legislation was likely to do with any great vigor. Legislation to "relax" these restrictions involves lending credence to the dubious assumption that these restrictions had any constitutional validity to begin with. Any bill that would have truly provided for the statutory endorsement of the acceptably uncompromised use of strong encryption never really had much more than a snowball's chance in hell of actually being signed into law given the current political balance of power, did it? Far more likely, was that it could be corrupted and hijacked as a vehicle to further the very type of restrictions it was purportedly intended to relieve. A collateral consequence is an increased arrogance and presumption among lawmakers that it is their prerogative to act to define for us citizens, what freedoms for domestic use of encryption we should be permitted. The growing gallery of GAK amendments and competing legislative proposals now emerging appears to support this sad scenario. It's starting to look like the prospects for meaningfully improving the situation with encryption legislation in the current political environment were about as promising as the prospects of a neophyte gambler coming out ahead at a crooked casino. I expect any apparent winnings in the end will come with a catch between the lines in the fine print, if they come at all. In any case, whatever is legislatively affirmed can later be legislatively denied. What a King presumes is his to grant, he usually presumes is his to revoke as well. In the end, what will have really been gained by this legislative venture, and what will have been explicitly or implicitly surrendered? As I see it, at this point the issue isn't about counting wins, it's about cutting losses. Freedom of encryption.... Is it SAFE? I don't think so. - -Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNDVks9GJlWF+GPx9AQGctwQAlE+SKB3/rqG7kz3qdcF2I5eBedz3/DDK f5Vg0Zd8PbhowwT9gWAvyt+ysIZCqRJWMu3vPmWP2iN2ZghLaiGRVv8piXhyUQYl rhv/rOz1Yc1raJbU5Wk+9Qr9zxQqxHZiAk1G0Irye4yDfi72ar8ndD5CqUegBnaF QAoyFGtiJZ4= =2zJO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Stronghold
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:40 AM 10/3/97 -0700, Alan wrote: >At 10:45 AM 10/2/97 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > >>> Amazingly, C2Net doesn't like to see its product publicly slandered >>> by reptiles like Vulis. If Vulis' opinion were based on anything >>> other than personal ill will - ie, if he had ever actually downloaded >>> and examined Stronghold and found any problems with it - he would have >>> a leg to stand on. As it is, his allegations are completely unfounded. >> >>If this were true, then C2Net would encourage me to publicly present whatever >>"evidence" I have so they'd be able to refute it. This is not what they >>asked me to do. > >But it is what you *SHOULD* do. If you have evidence, then present it. If >not, then you are just blowing smoke and FUD. While it is true that Dmitri is a proven liar in the grand tradtion of the Soviet Union (shout a lie long enough and loud enough and eventually some people will start to believe it), and a pathological homophobic bigot (who secretly enjoys sucking cock but wears womens clothing to disguise himself), he was absolutely right in decrying the moderation experiment that was thrown at the list earlier. Sandy did drop his C2 rantings from both moderated and flames lists, because he considered them libelous. That's a line of bullshit -- it wasn't for him to decide libel or not. It's for a jury to decide. Sandy wouldn't have been held responsible in either case because he could have hidden behind the "ISP protection" clause of the CDA. As a moderator who was tasked with spreading the bullshit in one of two places, he simply could have thrown it to either of the lists and claimed it was his duty as moderator to put it out. Of course, by that time Dmitri had so little reputation capital that Gilmore patched Majordomo so it wouldn't even respect a subscription request for him. Dmitri's allegations shouldn't even have gone to the flames list -- they should have gone to the moderated list. If Stronghold has a weakness, or even a perceived weakness, it's crypto relevant. But, when Dmitri writes anything, he's got to attach a "cocksucker this" or "molester that", which makes everything he writes libelous. So, even if he had proof that Lying Fuck Freeh were a axe-murderer, he'd fuck it up and call him "Louis Freeh (cocksucker)", which would continue to throw his credibility down the toilet. Ultimately, Dmitri's allegations of weaknesses in Stronghold, true or not, are totally irrelevant. Without mathematical proof of a weakness, he simply cannot be believed to ever be telling the truth. So, if C2 said to him in private e-mail, "if you call Sameer a cocksucker one more time, we'll slap a libel suit across your emigrant ass, take back your green card, deport you and tell Russia that you called Yeltsin a cocksucker," well, I can understand why he shut up. Actually, I don't think Dmitri knows of any real weaknesses. As I recall, I think he made up some fictitious homosexual connection between Sameer and a law-enforcement agent and suggested that there was a "back door" in Stronghold (pun intended.) Of course, I didn't archive any of his spew from back then. Nobody did, he raved so long and loud at the moderation and Gilmore and everybody that it was all my delete key could do to keep up with his shit. So, don't hold your breath waiting for a repost of previous lies from our dear Kook of the Fucking Century. He might get caught, so he's moved on to new lies now. Cannonymous

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InfoWar 33 / The GeigerBurg Text
by Deja Vu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar Table of Contents * Anarchist Post of the Century * Anarchist Post of the...(Ouch!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anarchist Post of the Century ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Crypto-continuation in Washington: FBI/DoJ keep up the pressure From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu, cypherpunks(a)toad.com Crypto is hot in Washington. Don't think the battle's over; it's just beginning: * This afternoon when the Senate Intelligence committee met to consider a new CIA deputy director, Sen. Bob Kerrey said "there's a real urgency" to get an encryption bill passed. (Presumably, that would be his bill, the "Key Escrow Infrastructure" McCain-Kerrey/S.909.) Anyone still think that the Senate will do the right thing on crypto? Think again... * * Last week Janet Reno talked at her weekly press conference about balancing law enforcement rights with privacy rights -- through mandatory domestic key escrow. * * Yesterday Louis Freeh spoke at length before the House International Relations committee about the spread of nuclear weapons... and reminded committee members about the problems the FBI has with nonescrowed crypto... * * Sen. Jon "Mandatory Domestic Key Escrow" Kyl said on Sunday that the Clinton administration's export controls on crypto were *not tight enough*... More info: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1385,00.html http://www.jya.com/declan8.htm -Declan **************** HEARING OF THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE NOMINATION OF LT.-GEN. JOHN A. GORDON TO BE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY CHAIRMAN: SENATOR RICHARD SHELBY (R-AL) 106 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON, DC 2:00 P.M. EDT WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 1, 1997 SEN. KERREY: I hope no doubt that you've heard of and perhaps had the opportunity to read the recommendations made by Senators Helms and Moynihan, but I think they're excellent. It's an excellent examination of, first, the need in some instances to classify, as well as the need to examine that classification system. It's not really a question, General Gordon. I think it's imperative that, on the issue of encryption, that the president exert some authority and try to pull together the congressional leaders and say, "We need a secure public network." There's counter-intelligence concerns. There's national security issues here at stake, obviously, balanced against the concerns for civil liberties and the concern for commercial interests and the need to develop. But there's lots of action up here on the Hill, both in the House and the Senate, in half a dozen committees or eight or nine committees, or Lord knows how many altogether, more than I realized existed. And I think there's a real urgency to get something passed both for the private sector, so they can have some stability, but also on the public-sector side, so we can protect the nation's interests. MR. GORDON: Senator, I have not delved that deeply into the encryption issue. I certainly take your point on this point. But I do know that if the Senate does confirm me that that will be squarely on my plate. **************** ATTORNEY GENERAL JANET RENO'S WEEKLY MEDIA AVAILABILITY U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WASHINGTON, DC THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26, 1997 Q No, wait - ATTY GEN. RENO: You've got to be quicker than that. Q (Inaudible) - yes, ma'am. Director Freeh and Director Constantine both have complained that U.S.-made encryption devices are giving the drug cartels an advantage whereby interdiction becomes impaired. Would you favor, as Mr. Freeh does, some kind of giving of the keys to these devices to the FBI and DEA? ATTY GEN. RENO: I don't think that Director Freeh favors giving keys to the FBI and to the DEA. Q No? ATTY GEN. RENO: What Director Freeh has talked about is what we have today - if someone is going to tap a phone, they don't just go in and tap the phone, if they're going to do it legally. What law enforcement does is it develops probable cause to believe that the telephone is being used to commit a crime and that to overhear would provide evidence of a crime. That is submitted to a judge, both in federal court and in many states courts where wiretapping is authorized. The judge reviews the sufficiency of the affidavits in support of the petition and enters an order directing the telephone company to provide that opportunity. What Director Freeh is hoping to achieve is the same thing with respect to encrypted products; so that the court would direct that the key be provided to the telecommunications system, or the other system, in order to decrypt the encoded message. What we're trying - what the administration is trying to do is to recognize that there are two important interests at stake here. One is the law enforcement interest, which is so vital with respect to terrorists, with respect to being able to decrypt the drug dealer's computer when I - I can get a search warrant now and seize his black book and I can read his black book or decipher what he's talking about. But if he can encrypt the information on his computer, that will be a significant obstacle to law enforcement. At the same time, the whole purpose of encryption with modern telecommunication is to provide for the privacy interest, of commercial interest of the average citizen. And so I think it's important that we work together to ensure the law enforcement capacity and ensure that the present capacity to get court-ordered authorities for surveillance are continued and are made real, while at the same time ensuring privacy. Q So you're saying that the phone company would have the responsibility? Do they have the capability of encrypting? ATTY GEN. RENO: The phone company doesn't have it. There would be a system whereby a key would be provided through third parties or otherwise. But this is something that we need to work together on to ensure that law enforcement interests are protected and that privacy interests are protected as well. **************** HEARING OF THE HOUSE INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE SUBJECT: ORGANIZED CRIME CHAIRED BY: REPRESENTATIVE BEN GILMAN (R-NY) LOUIS FREEH, DIRECTOR, FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION 2172 RAYBURN HOUSE OFFICE BUILDING WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 1, 1997 10:00 A.M EDT REP. : Following up on what Mr. Hyde said on your need to fight international crime and terrorism, what do you need, as an agency director and for your agency, in terms of specifics to wage a fight that you can win? MR. FREEH: Yes, sir. As I mentioned in my statement, I think we need it on three levels. We need the permanent and minimal FBI presence overseas to develop the kinds of relationships that Dr. de Gennaro and I have had now for 18 years. We have asked for, and the Congress approved last year, in August of 1996, a plan to expand the FBI's Ligat (sp) program from approximately 23 to 43 Ligats. That would call for, by the end of 1999, 146 special agents in 42 different countries with 116 support employees. That's a total of 262 people. As I mentioned, the plan was submitted last year. It wasn't just an FBI plan. It was jointly submitted by the State Department and the attorney general. And we've asked for funding in the 1998 and 1999 budgets to reach that level. We've also asked for a continuation of the training. As I mentioned, we've been able to train thousands of police officers around the world. The benefit of that training is two-fold. First of all, we can give them what they need most of all, which are the basic tools to conduct their own investigations. Just as importantly, we develop through those relationships, as Dr. de Gennaro described it, the cop-to-cop contacts and relationships. So an FBI agent or a DEA agent can pick up the phone and speak to a police commander in Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan, if that's the place where we need to do our work. So the training is a very important part of the whole program. And again, and finally, we need the technological tools to do our work. We have to be able to communicate rapidly and securely. We have to deal with encryption. We have to deal with cyber-crime. And those are all part of a larger technological challenge which we're trying to meet. [...] REP. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): Thank you, John. Director Freeh, appreciate your testimony. It's been quite riveting, actually. One of the briefing papers we have indicates that the American public, in a recent poll, whatever you want to take polls worth, say that 70 percent of the American people who were surveyed found it likely that the United States could be attacked by terrorist groups within the next decade using smuggled nuclear devices. If you were asked that, what category would you be in? MR. FREEH: I think it's a threat and a possibility that should occupy our highest priority. I think we've seen attacks certainly in Oklahoma, in New York City. We know that many of the state sponsors of terror, including Iran, are rapidly and very aggressively acquiring nuclear technology, both in terms of warheads and launching devices. We know that many of the state sponsors of terrorism, particularly Iran, sponsor and fund and control Hezbollah groups, including groups which have connections and operations in the United States. So the links, although I don't think I've seen them in a documented form, clearly suggest that if a terrorist is willing to use a truck bomb to blow up a building with thousands of people at risk, the accomplishment of the particular objective would not be changed or influenced by the opportunity to use a much more devastating (nuclear?) or biological or chemical agent. So I think we have to take the possibility extremely seriously and we have to take drastic steps to try to prevent and detect that. **************** [This thanks to John Young. --Declan] Remarks by Senator Jon Kyl at the First International Conservative Congress--September 28, 1997 [...] The Clinton Administration pursues a foreign policy without clear goals or the will to act decisively and is squandering the national security means left to it by a dozen years of Republican presidency. It emphasizes hope over reality and reliance on arms control agreements like the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT), the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty, and the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) over a stronger defense. And political benefit over national security, as in its decisions to cave in to the concerns of some in industry in irresponsibly relaxing export controls on key items like encryption technology and supercomputers. **************** ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anarchist Post of the(Ouch!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Damn it, Baby!" the Tourette Tic grabbed his elbow and rubbed it. Baby had never bitten him that hard before, and it hurt like hell. "OK, I apologize for the sexist joke I emailed to all of those poor, unsuspecting people." The Tourette Tic knew that Baby had bitten him to keep him from using the same chapter title, once again, but he also knew that his sexist joke was what had put her in a bad mood to start with. "And I'll use a different chapter heading for the next chapter, OK?" Baby sat down on the bed, and resumed chewing on the moose bone she had brought home in the middle of the night from some poacher's stash. She had made her point. "People with Tourette Syndrome often get caught up in repetitious cycles of thought and action." the Tourette Tic was speaking to himself, now, since Baby was putting all of her attention of the moose bone, wrestling it into submission as it tried to escape her grasp. "And sometimes we swear, too, you little cunt." Baby put her bone down for a moment gave the Tourette Tic a cold stare, challenging him to continue with this sexist line of thought. "OK, I apologize." the Tourette Tic said, hastily, but couldn't resist adding, "I forgot that you're on the ragOuch!" Baby trotted back to her bone and resumed her attack on it, having disciplined her alleged master for giving rein to his sexist leanings. Men "<FemiNazi>" the Tourette Tic muttered, glancing at Baby, nervously. Baby pretended she hadn't heard that last comment, but she secretly smiled as she continued pulling at a piece of sinew on the end of the moose bone. He was lucky he had her around to keep him on his toes, or there was no telling how far he would backslide into the bowels of sexist bachelorhood. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You can hardly blame him, though." Alexis spoke the words that all of the members of the Magic Circle were thinking as they read the last few chapters of 'InfoWar' that had been submitted by the head of the 'Department of Redundancy Department.' "True." the Cowboy agreed. "Ever since Lying Fuck Louis Freeh made the mistake of tipping his hand, the CypherPunks have risen to the challenge by inundating the list with a plethora of perceptive and poignant posts." "Cowboy!" Priscilla said sternly, "Are you making fun of the tendency of people with Tourette Syndrome to get caught up in alliteration, wherein they titillate their tonsils, tending to repeatedly recite repartee redundantly representing repetitive phrases?" "Yeth." the Cowboy admitted, making fun of the lisp that Priscilla had been blessed with as a child, only overcoming the tendency in adulthood. "OK, that does it" Jonathan spoke up, shaking his head at the inane attitude that the others had been projecting since their last use of the Trei Transponder. "I am going to reveal to the readers of Part III of The True Story of the InterNet, just how depraved you people are, by adding 'The Plot of the Platypus' to this chapter, and letting them know that you all found it hilarious." Bubba Rom Dos stood up, looking offended. "I resent the implication," he said, "that I am so insensitive as to laugh at the physical disabilities of others. I just happened to think of something extremely funny from my past, at the same time that I was reading 'The Plot of the Platypus' missive." "Me, too." Priscilla added, giggling. "I was thinking of the first time that Bubba and I had sex." The whole group roared with laughter. Jonathan took it as a sign from the Tao that he should indeed add the suggested missive to the chapter, in order to ensure that the readers of 'InfoWar' would understand the truth spoken by Winifred G. Barton, founder of the Bartonian Metaphysical Society and the Institute of Applied Metaphysics, when she said, "Always take metaphysics seriously. Never take yourself seriously." "Nuke DC!" Bubba said, and called up the post onto the GraphiScreen, whereupon Jonathan merged it with the message to the sexist by A Dog To Be Named Earlier. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Plot of the Platypus From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) Organization: Replay and Company UnLimited To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com ********** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ********** WARNING!!! Plot of the Platypus !!!WARNING ********** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ********** Since the death of Dale Thorn, I have lurked silently in the list background while observing the creeping conspiracies continually compromising cypherpunk costs. I mean..."posts." {Damn, now I'm doing it, too.} Doing what, you ask? How did you know what I said? Are you with the MIND POLICE? AM I SURROUNDED??!!!?? {Oh...I see that I put that thought in brackets, where you could read it. Whew! Had me worried for a minute, there.} To continue... Being an anonymous coward who hides behind remailers the few times that I post, I have been somewhat hesitant, nonetheless, to reveal the observations and accompanying thoughts about the direction that the cypherpunks lissed has taken {Damn, that's twice, already. I may be infected, like many of the others} since the end of the Nazi moderation/censorship experiment. While other, more vocal, list members were celebrating the apparent 'victory' over the Johnboot of fascism being lifted from our typing fingers, I had a troubled mind, worrying whether the evil forces were truly vanquished or whether they had merely escaped by way of the anonymous remailers, to the negative pole, where they would bide their time and prepare to strike again. I was counting on the shit-disturbers, chiefly Dale Thorn, to keep a practiced eye out for signs of the evil farces {Was that a typo, a Freudian slip, or another sign of the mind infection that is rapidly spreading on the list?} regrouping to once again try to destroy the cypherpunks list. Suddenly, Dale disappeared--faster than you can say, "Jimmy Hoffa." For a time, Toto attempted to carry on in his stead, but I *knew* Dale Thorn, and Toto is no John F. Kennedy. {Shit! Now I'm beginning to steal and corrupt the words of others. I'm not certain I like the implications of this. The plot may go even deeper than I previously thought...} Where was I...? Oh, yes...the Plot of the Platypus... William H. Geiger III writed: > A prime example is the welfair class in America. *^^* Anonymous rote: > Many in the welfair class have their basic needs met by... *^^* Then, in a startling development, ? the platypus wrote: >(Australia, most of europe ect have higher welfare rates). ... *^^^^^^^* >Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia see the url in my header. Notice anything a little bit *strange* in the above quotes? Suddenly, "? the Platypus" is the only one of this group that can spell welfair...warfair......welfare. {Damn! What's that clinging to my back?} What is going on here? As the Platypus's spelling gets better, the other list members' spelling gets worse. For example: Ray Arachelian sayhed: > what shal be the punishment? If the one who takes the order... *^* > reposability, then the one giving the order must be doubly... *^^* Tim May wroted: > Agraphia or not, this is one of the lamest posts I've seen in years. > Wealth is to be taken from those who have worked for it or put their > capitcal at risk *^* The CypherPunk Philosophist King, lame-ing while flame-ing? Worse yet, while flame-ing about lame-ing? Lame-ing while flame-ing about lame-ing? Fucking up his spelling while taking a cheap-shot at someone's disability in their ability to 'dis' someone with proper spelling? And then, after his "capitcal" misfire, the object of his scorn returns fire with a correct spelling of "redistribution?" ? the Platypus correctly scripted: > The US has one of the lowest rates of wealth redistribution in the... Am I making too much of this? A few simple typo's, you say? Perhaps an occasional slip of the finger--a momentary lapse of mind and/or memory, leading to a misspelled word? {Or is it 'mispelled'? I don't know, and I'm afraid to look it up. I could use the spell checker, but... No! It's too dangerous.} It's the Plot of the Platypus, I tell you...I AM NOT CRAZY!!!! I did extensive analysis of the list posts in the last few months, and I can state with absolute certainty that for every slight improvement in the quality of the Platypus's spelling, there is a court responding decease in the Kuala-T of many of T ohter libsp mambors spealing. {See? Do you SEE!?!? IT'S EVEN HAPPENING TO *ME* NOW.} That's not all. Just like before, others on the list are acting as the shills for the chief instant gator of this spelling tragivesty. Bill Stewart, a conscienshous speller, said: > [If you're going to rant about government-provided education, > _please_ spell most of your words correctly, or let technology help > you...] See? Do you SEE?!? The subtle slams by the co-conspirators are beginning. It's the next stage... "Having a little trouble with your spelling there, pal? There's no more censorship, so you can say anything you want...as long as you can SPELL it! Haaa...haaaa...haaa." The ebil fartses are once again attempting to split the cybferpukes lissed in2 too kamps--the good spellers and the bag speelers. Think about it. Have you ever heard of "agraphia" before? Ever known anyone that had it? Of course not! It was developed in an underground lavoratory in Area 51 by reptilian Nazis. Well, maybe not "reptilian", but Nazis, just the same. And LOOK! I'm using double-quotes! *Misplaced* double-quotes, nonetheless. THE MARKS OF THE *TOTO*!!! The conspiracy is spreading fast. It's everywhere. Kent Crispin, government schill {Damn! I even spell 'shill' like Toto, now. At least I managed to use single quotes this time, like we did in the old days, before the censorship crisis...which just 'happened' to happen shortly after Toto happeared out of nowhere...} Where was I...? Oh, yes... Crispin, who has long previously been the target of many vicious attacks by both Toto and the Platypus, is now showing signs of the government generated Platyagraphia and the double-quote marks of the Toto. Kent Crispin <kent(a)songbird.com> say-heyed: >will force the "welfair class" to become productive citizens or die. ^ ^^^ ^ Or is Kent Crispin, gubormint chill, marking funds of the wrist of U.S.? Is he laughtering at uds B-hynd R backs? Is he a bubble agent in the Plop of the Paperplutz? Still skeptical? Wait!! There's more!!! {No, not the Ginsu knives, you fools. I'm talking about the Plop of the Pretty Puss.} Think about the following pots, which wah *snot* sent to the list in order to hide the troops from the simplefucks lips dismemberers. Since it was not cent 2 the lips, I had to make it up, and now I'm a forager, like Tutu making those bag fridgeries of ohter cheaples pastes when he abuses their names without having their parsimmons to accuse their name for making his own pissed to the cyberhunks lost. ------- Begin Pretty Good Pretending------- PGP: Bad Spelling Virgin 0.1 To: ciderpundits(a)tao.dot.commie From: TheBadSpellingForger <i_can__spell_good(a)anytime.I.please> Subject: Make Con$piracy La$t Date: {I'm typing it *now*, you idiot.} Tired of being a LOSER? Tired of failing in your list takeover bids while others, like the _fuck_you_morons_ spammer, AOL'ers, and blonde bimbos with huge breasts are getting ahead in life? Tired of not getting your secret cypherpunks decoder ring, like the others, because you don't use an "authorized" operating system, and you can't spell "welfare" even though you're on it? Join the SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST today, and turn your life around. {No Bullshit! This conspiracy is so fucking secret that *nobody* knows about it--NOT EVEN ME! I had to make it up! That's how secret it is.} Good gays Finnish lost. Why do they "Finnish lost"? Because they waste their time with correct spelling, proper placement of quotation marks, and trying to develop a consistent list persona when there are already millions of Internet identities out there already, just waiting to be abused. Face it, it's the assholes that usually end up on top, and not just because most people sleep on their stomachs. So why are you WASTING YOUR TIME being a good gay, when the assholes are making the BIG BUCKS by putting naked pictures of big bucks fucking big butts on their "Native American Nude MLM" web site? Tired of being an anarchist? Tired of waiting for Jim Bell to rat you out as being a co-conspirator in his evil plot to overthrow the government? Tired of standing in front of your mirror, trying to practice acting surprised when armed forces from a dozen government agencies kick down your door to announce that someone nuked D.C., and they'd like to "ask you a few questions?" Join the SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST. Do it TODAY, and you will be guaranteed a secret cypherpunks decoder ring when the people who pull our strings pass a law criminalizing them (except for use in meeting the legitimate needs of secret conspirators against the cypherpunks list). Listen to what these Secret Conspirators have to say: Peter Trei: "Hi. I used to be a boring guy. I was so boring that none of the assholes on the list even bothered insulting me, or forging posts in my name. "Then one day, my life suddenly changed. Someone forged a post to the list in my name, and it was exciting. It was like getting robbed at gunpoint. What a rush! "When I woke up the next morning, I couldn't face going back to my normal, moral, ethical, boring life. I sent an anonymous post to the list--as TruthMonger! It felt good, like being elected to a government office by lying to people, but I wanted MORE. I began forging posts to the list using other people's identities. If they complained to the list, then I killed them, and assumed their list identities. It felt like driving INSLAW into bankruptcy, stealing their software, and murdering those who knew too much! "Now I am Peter Trei, boring cryptographer, by day, but I am any exciting, unethical asshole I want to be, at night. "I liked the SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST so much that I *stole* the conspiracy. "? the Platypus" has nothing to do with the Plot of the Platypus, I'm just making fun of his disability, like a real asshole. Toto has nothing to do with it, either. He's such a loser that everyone on the list can spot his forgeries. (Well, they "used to could". But now that I can mimic his style and have hacked his Sympatico account, I can deny all of this from my real list persona tomorrow, and nobody will be the wiser.) "I'm not just a user of the cypherpunks list, I'm an abuser." Kent Crispin: "This isn't Peter's conspiracy, its MINE! I mean, get real, I work in a secret underground lavoratory as a government shill. "Think about it. Who would you expect to conspire against a bunch of anarchists...the government! You all know how much I love the government and authority. I'm Louis Freeh's secret lover. Janet Reno is going to have my baby. "It's me! *I* am the one behind the SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST. I'm a STATIST, for God's sake, why won't you believe me? "Because I'm not one of the elitist 'chosen?' Fuck you." Tim May: "God, I *love* this list." Robert Hettinga: "Hey! If you check the archives, you'll find that I said that in a post, long before anyone else did." TruthMonger: "Now Hettinga is stealing Tim May's lines. What the hell is going on, here? Has *everybody* on this list gone crazy? "*I* am the one who is *really* behind the SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST. Think about it. Everyone knows that I'm a 33rd degree Mason. No...that's Tim May. "Fuck this shit. From now on, I'm posting as Toto." John Perry: "This has gone on long enough. I'm killing this thread. ...I mean..."post." ...I mean... "Shit! I'm not the list moderator, yet. That's *after* we take over the list." "Sorry." ------- End Pretty Good Pretending------- ... ~~~~~~~ Begin Note From Igor ~~~~~~~ Do you all remember the Perl script I was working on for mimicking the posts of other people? Well, this post is the latest product of that script. What do you think? Is it convincing? Did you really believe that it was actually written by one or more of the people mentioned in the post? I think that I finally have the Perl script to the point where I can effectively fool most people about the true source and method of a computer generated post's actual origins. I was thinking about adding a conspiratorial part about myself. I was going to intimate that the fact that I was so active on the list during the censorship crisis, playing the skeptic who was gradually brought around to the truth of Dale Thorn and Toto's claims, then volunteering to host the list and quietly disappearing into the background, might indicate that *I* was really behind the SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST. In the end, I decided against it, because then the readers would be left with the notion that perhaps even this explanatory note from me was bogus, and that there really was an ongoing SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST. ~~~~~~~ End Note From Igor ~~~~~~~ ********** DISCLAIMER ********** THERE IS *NO* SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST! There is no conspiracy by a secret government to destroy the Constitution, enslave the people, and rule the world. Individual cypherpunks are not being imprisoned and murdered and replaced with Identity Bots. There is no need to worry. Declan McCullagh can confirm all of this. You can trust him. He is your representative in D.C. He did *not* give secret testimony against Jim Bell in return for a byline in the "Time" magazine cover story. That is just a rumor. Well, not yet, maybe, but it will be, very soon. Remember, this is just a normal mailing list with a few list members who are a little odd. There are no spooks. There is no background intrigue. This whole privacy thing has just been blown a bit out of proportion. It's really not that important. Waco was just a tragic accident. Ruby Ridge was a simple error in judgment by a government agent who really feels bad about following his superiors orders. Heavily armed U.S. Marines are no match for a goat-herding boy with a .22, and it is only by the grace of God that they are alive today. Oswald acted alone. lai;ekrjke ^C THERE IS *NO* SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST! There is no conspiracy by a secret government to destroy the Constitution, enslave the people, and rule the world. dakl;jdafkl;jad;jfa ^C ^C Oswald acted alone. Bears are Catholic. The Pope shits in the woods. The government is concerned for your welfair. *^^^* ldfafd;ljfd; ^C^X^C THERE IS *NO* SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST! da;lkdf ^C THERE IS *NO* welfair ad;fljadf; *^^^* ad;sljf;afj ^C ^C ^C THERE IS *NO* SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST! SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST! SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST! SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST! SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST! SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST! SECRET CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE CYPHERPUNKS LIST! 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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner Visit Regal at Buick.com rule REPORT: PARENTS SOUGHT TREATMENT FOR TEEN SLAYING SUSPECT The suspect's house October 3, 1997 Web posted at: 4:18 a.m. EDT (0818 GMT) JACKSON TOWNSHIP, New Jersey (AP) -- Three days before 11-year-old Eddie Werner vanished while selling candy door-to-door, the parents of the teen accused of killing him reportedly asked a judge to lock up their son. The parents of the teen asked a Family Court judge on September 24 to place him in a residential psychiatric treatment center in a bid to get his violent behavior under control, The Star-Ledger of Newark reported Friday. Instead, he was allowed to remain at home. Werner Last Saturday, Werner disappeared as he sold candy and wrapping paper for a school fund-raiser. His body was discovered Monday night in a wooded area between the neighborhoods where he and the suspect lived. Authorities have not released the name of the suspect because he is under 18. On Thursday, prosecutors said they believe the suspect was molested by a 43-year-old New York man who met him through an online chat room and arranged trysts. Monmouth County Prosecutor John Kaye said Stephen Simmons, 43, of Holbrook, New York, and the suspect met at New Jersey motels and at Simmons' home for sex several times over the past 13 months. Simmons The boy's parents learned of the meetings and informed police. Simmons, who has been charged with third-degree sodomy and could face other charges, was arrested on September 24 -- the same day the suspect's parents made their request of the judge. "These people had been crying out for help a week before the incident," the suspect's attorney, Michael Critchley, told The Star-Ledger. "Everybody should step back and pause a moment before they put this kid on a pyre and burn him." The teen-age suspect faces murder, aggravated sexual assault and robbery charges. Prosecutors were reviewing whether to have him tried as an adult. memorial Acquaintances described the suspect as a loner and a bully, but others said he was an average teen and a good student with an interest in computers. He built his own Web page, which he filled with biographical tidbits and exhaustive information about his favorite rock band, Smashing Pumpkins. He also explored other regions of the online world. Kaye said information found on a computer drive seized by prosecutors indicated the boy was visiting homosexual chat rooms, where he first met Simmons. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related stories: * Violent offenses by teens plunged last year - October 2, 1997 * Door-to-door school sales debated after boy's slaying - October 1, 1997 _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] Visit Regal at Buick.com rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Stanglehold / Re: Stronghold
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alan wrote: > C2Net should have demanded proof instead of getting defensive. That > worries me, not because of "hidden backdoors", but because it shows lack of > confidence in their own products. But lack of confidence has nothing to do > with actual strength of the product. Let's think about this for a moment. RSA is so confident in their product that they openly challenge people to prove its strength or weakness, even offering them money out of their own pocket if they cn do so. C2Net, at the merest whisper by the least credible of persons, launches into action an army of litigators to threaten said individual with dire consequences if they fail to duck and cover, not to mention 'shut the fuck up.' Hhhmmmm...... > If you do have evidence and refuse to post it, then you are just helping > C2Net. If I had evidence of a backdoor in C2Net's Stronghold software, and I met with so little support when attacked by them, I would refuse to post it. Why? To let all of C2Net's staunch defenders feel all the more confident in placing their big, hairy balls in the StrangleHold of C2Net's software. Of course, if I were C2Net and I *did* have a backdoor built into my software, I would probably try to link any criticism of my product with the rantings of mentally unstable paranoics. Which begs the question, is Dimitri the 'foil' of C2Net, or a 'creation' of C2Net? TruthMonger "Creator of the 2-way mirror."

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FBI trainees good, nab innocent teen-agers
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo [ISMAP]-Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner AST. Working For Your Business. rule FBI trainees goof, nab innocent teen-agers October 3, 1997 Web posted at: 9:35 p.m. EDT (0135 GMT) ELIZABETHTOWN, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Armed FBI trainees in bulletproof vests and camouflage surrounded a group of teen-agers, handcuffed them and forced them to the ground before realizing they had the wrong people. The trainees were taking part in a training exercise at a town square Wednesday night in which they were apparently supposed to nab others taking part in the drill. Instead, up to 30 FBI trainees jumped out of a caravan of vehicles and descended on the innocent teen-agers, bound their wrists with plastic ties and ordered them to lie face-down on the sidewalk. After about 30 minutes, the agents set the teens free. The FBI would not comment on the specifics of the drill, but an FBI official apologized Friday and two agents visited the home of one of the youths Thursday night to express their regrets. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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