December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Declan as a Crime Beat Reporter
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Shea <joeshea(a)netcom.com> To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> As a real Hollywood reporter, I'm sorry to tell you both Chasen's and the Brown Derby are long shuttered. So is Scandia and Cock 'n Bull. About the only old-line place of that type left is Tam O'Shanter. Best, Joe Shea Editor-in-Chief The American Reporter joeshea(a)netcom.com http://www.newshare.com:9999

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Re: Homer on Terrorism
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steve Schear wrote: >I agree. It seems a bit like blackmail to me. These 'consultants' would >have better off having friends buy put options on Netscape stock prior to >the phone call. Then if Netscape won't pay their price they get the money >from the market when they make the information public, including the source >code. Spare me the insider trading rants. Good point. Perhaps CNNfn and PC Rag insiders did just that. Maybe even got a few for CaboComm's account. Maybe the insiders at NSCP dumped a few after the negotiations tanked. Screaming "terrorism" for smoke. Isn't it conventional wisdom that the market is churned with with blackmail, greenmail, "terrorist" slaughter of W&O and such, laying down "free market" smoke. Story from Federal pen here is that the WTC bomb aimed to topple the pile onto World Financial Center across the road where the plushest players squat on gold but job-lock TLAs running the op said no-no, just terrify the fats into upping our CT-consulting fees and budgets, like IRA @ London City. Inmate Ian was heard to warn, "Worked like a charm, din it: now shut your hole Youseff about that salted laptop fabbed up St Andrews, Great Malvern."

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Re: Flag Burning...
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09:52 AM 6/13/97 -6, Peter Trei wrote: ... >Think about this: > >Would you rather people did not burn the flag because: > >1. They'll be thrown in the slammer if they do. >2. The[y] revere the values for which it stands, and will not descrate a > meaningful symbol of these values. > >In (2), we can look at the (very rare) individuals who *do* burn the >flag, and determine for ourselves if they have a valid point to >convey. > >In (1), we'll never know. > >For Congress to deny the freedom to burn the flag is a desecration of what >the flag stands for - a descration of the flag by the government itself. (I'm on Ray's FCPUNKS, please cc me directly, my replies may be delayed and this may have already been covered anyway. Probably was.) 1. Burning is a proper way to dispose of old flags, according to my old boyscout handbook, so I guess this is thoughtcrime. 2. Why not outlaw desecrating the Bill of Rights? (Oh, yeah. Congress does that daily right now...) 3. Since when was "the flag" sacred, anyway? Doesn't something have to be sacred for it to be desecrated? Isn't this a secular country? 4. Doesn't this seem like a way _not_ to discuss the sea of red ink that this country is currently drowning in, and just stir up folks' emotions instead? Sure does to me...I wish veterans and others who get hot under the collar about this would get 1/8 as pissed about the national debt. 5. Burn my flag (or copy of the Bill of Rights) and you'll probably wind up shot. Burn your own flag/copy and watch me yawn. This law is a *particularly* stupid one. JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEPAwUBM6Y7IjUhsGSn1j2pAQFLCwfQyJd1lPvX/TJOu6draMvMuZW9fBSHQI09 vflL8+Po+Y8KS6v12qi8wsUsVSINYOL2SS+/BSu87GbqExLxgqDji5H3imH9lKmO v7ipjyg8T9ybrKWinpkFGh/SWXNsJt6vsLltbRQgzurHRKVXAAs4KhCeHFUrwdQT 5GYh9CQkWsiyRW15/7iR2gkn3wcnZdnQBemFrTAIwswwuS9McyyluX+NO6a/nS27 HDU7aqlVtJ12i9eXY1yg60BGRK66fa4a/52XkIRe92mhWDp7soxDaeWTE4akCIiG Hd2APfyVI+CAnaUlocgbg0o6j6nCe5ZKKB3JbX9sevA8Pw== =Cytc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Regards, Jim Ray <jmr(a)shopmiami.com> DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy One of the "legitimate concerns of law enforcement" seems to be that I was born innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around. -- me http://shopmiami.com/prs/jimray/ PGP id.A7D63DA9 98 1F 39 BA 93 86 B4 F5 57 52 64 0E DA BA 2C 71

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Re: IBM sues critics?
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <1.5.4.32.19970614201321.009a8b38(a)pop.pipeline.com>, on 06/14/97 at 04:13 PM, John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> said: >Secret Squirrel wrote: >>According to a usually reliable contact in a position to know, IBM Friday >>filed a liable suit against the 11 authors of the study >>titled "The risks of key recovery, key escrow and trusted third-party >>encryption" plus their employers and the Centere for Democracy and >>Technology, which sponsored the report. According to my contact, IBM >>feels that the report directly targets their own key recovery system, >>and falsely implies that it isn't reliable. They are asking for >>unspecified damages. >If this report is true it's worth taking a look at IBM's policy paper >"The need for a global cryptographic policy framework" to understand why >the key study report is such a threat to >Blue's global market strategy: > http://www.ibm.com/security/html/pp_global.html >IBM's economic incentive to attack the report is substantial, not least >because it hopes to garner the lion's share of global GAK -- >not that that's news. Has there been any conformation on this? I would like to get in touch with some of my contacts at IBM but would like to have some info on this first. Thanks, - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM6VncI9Co1n+aLhhAQE7VQQAuDOBM3aqTCbaK/5nPLl1TLaAkHWSIC4h /eOJFw7/EJ1ZQWGj5lxHg2es6+MFSrue5/KnOn0evsJtLnQjX4icYyhzhao2cXYY 9EPaew0FMLHRtJrB0sXlWOeyteRqFstVEkQb7jtqUqxbjNU1A/FZlbr7dclRZ56B nVTBAqZBOzA= =tD2h -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: IBM sues critics?
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <v0302090bafcb5bb9218f(a)[207.226.3.11]>, on 06/16/97 at 05:13 PM, Alan Davidson <abd(a)cdt.org> said: >At 11:17 AM -0500 6/16/97, William H. Geiger III wrote: >> >>Has there been any conformation on this? >> >>I would like to get in touch with some of my contacts at IBM but would >>like to have some info on this first. >To the best of my knowledge neither CDT nor any of the individual authors >has been served with any papers or received any other notice of a suit >regarding the key recovery report. (Available at >http://www.crypto.com/key_study) >I suspect that the last thing IBM would want to do is give this experts' >report >more publicity. At this point, rumors of a lawsuit appear to be >unfounded. >And remember: In libel cases, truth is always a defense. :) I figured that it was FUD but I have seen IBM do much more stupid things than this so it seemd worth the effort to follow up. Thanks, - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM6W9PY9Co1n+aLhhAQEYVwP+PUDMGuCZI/3JQUYPTuF0gY/lcru7cB+O m4Bv68B1FRma7TXHOHBTy56uoD2+jDeAf1rhELcnNhyblowBxlWccwXO1slTDpUm f+UHJ59KeC73Mr4k0qDDwOIzArHLMVwJ8qeyz5ZoZLay7n90U4Ol8uuPAvTObf6y N6nNzGeMHUI= =LN2a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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LAN_law
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Los Alamos lab is using its supercomps to develop pattern-recognition programs to spot fraud in the health care system similar to work for IRS to spot tax cheats. LAN_law

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If only...
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > At 07:10 PM 6/13/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >>You mean they can license handguns, but not reporters??? > > >Indeed, it is strange. What part of "Congress shall make no law" > >do they not understand? > > the part between "Congress shall make no law" and "shall not be infringed"... If only they had written "Congress shall make no law." and left it at that... TM

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Re: Declan as a Budding Washington Insider
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Bradley wrote: > > I must side with Declan here, true, sometimes Declans articles show a > subtle hint of insiderism <tm>, but I believe that is an inevitable > consequence of working around people in D.C. who don`t want to be > directly associated with certain statements, to quote them against their > will would be journalistic suicide and would soon see Declan with no > contacts whatsoever. The editor of the main newspeak print media for the area I live in told me that their reporters are instructed to write their articles so as to be readable to someone with an eighth grade education. I certainly do not envy Declan for being in the position of having to make his articles readable for the people who are still trying to find the "Any" key while trying not to leave the cypherpunks with the impression he's a fucking retard. *** Next Week *** Declan reveals who is buried in "Grant's Tomb." TruthMonger

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Re: Anonymous proxies & ITAR question (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 17:48:52 -0500 > Subject: Re: Anonymous proxies & ITAR question > >>The renter of a car or truck is not responsible for the contents. The > >>driver of a truck is > > ^^^^^^ The renter is not responsible until they take contractual possession of the truck. From that point until placed on the companies property and the key is placed in the lock-box hanging on the fence (or whatever system they use where you live) it is the responsibility of the renter/driver/physical possessor of the truck for its behaviour or contents. > If I went and rented a truck and there was a "roach" in the ashtray I > should not be held accountable for possesion unless it could be proved > that it was mine and not from someone else that had used the truck or even > a worker at the retal shop. > > Ofcource if I had the trailer loaded with 100K of coke it would be a > little hard to say that someone else left it there. :) Why should coke be treated any different than pot? How much pot should I be able to put in such a truck and 'get away' with as a function of SOP? How much coke? No, ambiguity like this has no place in law. The litmus test should be whether a person or their property were damaged without their prior permission. Crimes should be a function of physical interaction and not some qualitative or even quantitative test. If it is a crime to do 100 of them then it should be a crime to do 1/10 (assuming it should be a crime in the first place). I can see it now, "Sorry sir, we had to let him go. He only 1/4 raped her." Blah. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Capitalist Assassination Politics
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bell's AP isn't a Democratic Assassins Program - it's a free-market system. In a free market, when enough people want something enough to pay for it, like buying dope or killing someone, someone may decide it's worth their while and just do it. The catch is that he confuses mechanism with policy; the market doesn't really care _why_ someone has a price on their head. In a Democratic Assassins Program, everybody gets together and haggles about who ought to be killed and why, and if a majority wants someone killed, they go do it, or hire someone to do it for them, and tell the minority what a wonderful thing Democracy is. The US theoretically has a Republican Form Of Assassination - everybody votes on some representatives, and the representatives do whatever they can get away with, given future elections as a moderating threat, such as assassinating hundreds of thousands of Iraqis instead of the one Iraqi they told us we should all Hate for Two Minutes, or sending poisoned cigars to annoying bearded guys. In practice, we have a Capitalist Mixed-Economy Assassination Process - the Representatives decide to assassinate some people because it seems to be popular in the polls, and other people because the Big Business interests want them assassinated, or because the Pentagon wants to advertise their availability for future jobs, and some free-market "work" gets done, since you don't _have_ to annoy the national-scale interests to get assassinated, some things get done by Good Old Fashioned Volunteerism*, government-hired assassins decide ignore some collateral damage or work overtime in the war on Republicanly-Selected Substances and some people are society offenders who might best be underground or just tempt Darwin too many times. [* President's Commission on Volunteerism http://www.whitehouse.gov/volunteer.htm ] ---- Attachment Converted: http://www.cia.odci.gov/assassination/nominations.doc ---- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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