December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Cypherpunks FAQ
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > * First, calling for _others_ to write a FAQ, or to "collectively" write a > FAQ, rarely works. (I'm not criticizing Paul, just noting historical truth.) > > * Second, many FAQs have been started, few have been finished. An excellent FAQ from L.Deitweller was shot down by Timmy May and his cronies precisely because Timmy was envious of LD's ability to do what Timmy couldn't do. <blah, blah, blah> --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Helping Prof. Jim Bell
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:01 PM -0600 4/7/97, Toto wrote: > Hallam-Baker is apparently incapable of understanding his own >trail of logic. > He tells us that freedom of speech is not the issue, and then >proceeds to tell us that Jim Bell was dealt with differently than >others for exercising his freedom of speech. Look, we know Jim Bell the writer. (Some people have met him and know him as Jim Bell the loon, according to their assessments here, but that's a different, though possibly relevant, point.) An error many are making here is to assume that Bell was searched because of his "Bell the writer" personna. This is clearly incorrect. The search warrants dealt with many issues, as have been detailed in several posts here, and in the stuff Greg Broiles put up in scanned format. Assuming that his writings here were the cause of the actions against him is just plain incorrect. His writings may have affected the assessment of "likelihood" and "intent," given the various other things, but how else should it be? One's spoken or written words may indeed be protected by the First, against prior restraint and censorship, but they can generally be used, if available. In my posts I've carefully avoided evaluating whether Bell will be found guilty of any actual crime...I don't know the evidence, or the legal code, well enough. I _have_ said that I don't find it _surprising" that the Feds would think him a plausible threat, at least worthy of a search. They may read his rants and ultimately decide his threats were not plausible. They may decide the chances of conviction aren't good. Who knows? Bell himself said he was not surprised. --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: New Paper by Ron Rivest
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: > > From: "Phillip M. Hallam-Baker" <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> > To: "Micropay (E-mail)" <micropay(a)ai.mit.edu> > Subject: New Paper by Ron Rivest This interplay between C2Net schills and MIT schills is getting more than a little boring. We always seem to have the same actors involved in the attacks on the cypherpunks. First, lightweights like Kent Crispin post some dribble before the 'event' takes place. After the 'event', the heavyweight disinfo artists like Hallam-Baker step forward with their bullshit. Then their bum-buddy "cheers" Bob Hettinga forwards their posts from other lists to try to give them the appearance of respectability. Bullshit is bullshit, no matter how much these characters stroke each other's cocks. TruthMonger

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Re: Feds reading this list, Jim Bell, and threats
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > > I think it is fairly clear that AP is a Chimera. The problem with > lurid fantasies like it, though, is that they give the press and > politicians convenient targets. In fact, a case could be made for > considering Jim Bell as a NSA shill. Certainly he is a perfect foil > for a statist agenda. So, now Kent is volunteering to testify to the fact that Jim Bell is an NSA shill. (and still seems ashamed of his .gov address) I am waiting for a post from Kent that is sufficiently lucid that it can be replied to without drinking an extra bottle of Scotch to follow his twisted trail of logic. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Feds reading this list, Jim Bell, and threats
by Kent Crispin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, Apr 07, 1997 at 07:24:03PM -0600, Toto wrote: > Kent Crispin wrote: > > > > I think it is fairly clear that AP is a Chimera. The problem with > > lurid fantasies like it, though, is that they give the press and > > politicians convenient targets. In fact, a case could be made for > > considering Jim Bell as a NSA shill. Certainly he is a perfect foil > > for a statist agenda. > > So, now Kent is volunteering to testify to the fact that Jim Bell is > an NSA shill. (and still seems ashamed of his .gov address) Just so you know, Toto, .gov informs me it doesn't want there to be the slightest possibility of anyone thinking I am speaking for it. And the part about Jim Bell being an NSA shill? I am not volunteering to testify to anything, but your are the *second* person to say something about it, so it *must* be true. And the part about the statist agenda? That must be true too, since you quoted it. > I am waiting for a post from Kent that is sufficiently lucid that it > can be replied to without drinking an extra bottle of Scotch to follow > his twisted trail of logic. You needed that extra bottle anyway. -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent(a)songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html

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AP--the choice of Postal Workers everywhere
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow wrote: > Crispy Critters wrote: > > you are either born into that social contract, or you move > > into it. In either case the social contract that makes up the state > > predates your involvement. You are free to accept or reject the > > terms of that social contract. If you chose to reject them, then you > > should leave -- since the individuals who composed that contract were > > there before you, their rights take priority. > > BULLSHIT. I don't have a choice. I would like to leave, but > everywhere is already claimed by fucking statist pricks. There is no > place left where a person can go and be free of self important pricks > who think that it is _their_ right to infringe on _my_ rights. Since the land thieves have everything locked up, the only option is to stand and fight. Wise conquerers always leave the disenchanted a small, desolate place they can go to lick their wounds. The current fascists idiots in power don't have the sense to do that. The result is a civilization that is falling apart because those who don't want to take it in the ass have no option except to stick around and fight. > If the contract was written by people who no longer exist, and > enforced from the top, by force then you _do_ have the right to change > the system from without. Especially since (in the context of American, > French, and several other "[un]social contracts") they were themselves > brought about by force and violence, often with the support of less than > a majority. And you can never ignore the 'majority of one'. If the government deems it their right to act as they will, as a result of being heavily armed, then they complain in vain about the individual deeming it their right to act as they will, as a result of being heavily armed. What is good for the gander (government) is good for the goose (postal worker). -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Wassenaar Arrangement now available
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We've converted the AU version of Wassenaar "Part 3 Category 5 - Telecommunications and Information Security" DOC to HTML: http://jya.com/aucat_5.htm "Part 2 - Information Security" fits the notes on cryptography posted here by Hayashi Tsuyoshi and fills in the missing pieces.

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Fan mail from Hallam-Baker...
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Sender: hallam(a)etna.ai.mit.edu >Message-Id: <334920D5.ABD(a)ai.mit.edu> >Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:29:09 -0400 >From: Hallam-Baker <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >Subject: Re: I hope thr IRA nails Hallam-Baker... >References: <5i4971$iug(a)life.ai.mit.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >You are now in very serious trouble. > >I have contacted the FBI and other agencies. You will encounter >difficulty in travelling to certain foreign countries. > >You may have put your own life at risk. The IRA is not the only >terrorist group in Ireland, its opponents make a point of assasinating >anyone who openly supports IRA activities. > > Phill. Paul, or someone in U.K. - I'd like to donate $1 to the IRA every time Hallam-Baker posts to this mailing list. Can someone please tell me a convenient way to send them donations? Thank you very much.

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Cryptography Export
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I export cryptography source code almost every single day. Does the government have a problem with that? Fuck them in the ass! I can't believe that corporations pay legal experts huge sums of money to receive advice telling them to bend over and spread 'em for the government's bullshit legislation. I am not alone. My nephew regularly exports 'code' for Pig-Latin, as a parody of my efforts to spread the use of crypto. He says that they can take his Pig-Latin when they pry it from his cold, dead, baby fingers. Cable companies regularly export encryption code when they send out their signal-scrambling code to foreign recipients. Can you think of other examples? Can you think of hundreds of similar examples? Think about it. If the government wants to prosecute me for exporting encryption code, then they had best be prepared to prosecute _all_ exporters of every single item that involves altering data that can be re-converted on the other end to render the output intelligible. If you think that I am taking this matter lightly, then think again, because I have a legal opinion from an attorney who has been shoving the governments dick back in their own face for half a century, and he regards my potential defence as a cake-walk. I not only already have the paperwork set up to defy any potential restraining orders that may arise, but I have a judge that is fully prepared to institute the necessary proceedings to validate my right to do what hundreds or thousands of individuals and corporations are doing every single day. If the government thinks that they can legislate the thickness of condoms available for export, then they had best think again. And if they think that they can require exported condoms to have holes in them, then they are certainly living in fantasy land. I am a self-confessed madman, but I am a madman standing on legal precedents that are as solid as the Rock of Gibralter. (Think about it.) Potential Prudential Precedent <precedent(a)crackhouse.gov>

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Tim I.R.S. May
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim Bell wrote: At 10:57 PM +0100 4/7/97, Adam Back wrote: >I can think of at least half a dozen posts dealing with the ethics, the >need (they claim) for independent review, the immmorality of the death >penalty in general, and so on. >Exactly what more is needed? >If you mean that no one is talking about the mechanics of actually setting >up such a market, this may be true. For lots of reasons. Could be folks >just have no particular interest in spending the time to actually set one >up, even a "play" AP system. Could be they perceive other projects to be >more important. Or it could be that those who are setting up AP systems are not leaving themselves open to attack. >(Sidenote: the work Robin Hanson and others did on "idea futures" is an >example of something that's more important, and more "doable," and less >dangerous. And yet I see precious little discussion of _it_ on this list. Maybe that is because it doesn't address issues that the government feel are enough of a threat to suppress. >>Perhaps I'm just imagining things, but it would seem to me that if one >>had in the past made comments on the list suggesting that AP might >>even be a _good thing_, Jim Bell's experience might make one think now >>was be a good time to disclaim that one was talking theoretically. >But, on the contrary, I've seen more "positive" comments, in absolute >numbers, about AP in the last several days than I recall seeing in the last >several months. Perhaps if you weren't so liberal in your use of killfiles, then you wouldn't be so out of touch with what cypherpunks list members discuss on the list. >>I've viewed several posters comments on AP ever since Jim Bell got >>involved in discussing anonymous markets in illegal services as being >>careful to stay on the side of speech. >> >>It is almost as if they are afraid to discuss openly their views on >>the subject. >Example, please. Who was previously an advocate of AP on a regular basis >that has recently spoken only of it terms of speech? Tim, lacking the ability to read, asks about those who "advocate" AP. Adam is quite correct in his perception of cypherpunks pussyfooting around their true views on AP since the government attack on Jim Bell's views. Of course, Tim May attacks those who choose to remain anonymous via the cypherpunks remailers. Tim and the IRS make quite a tag-team in denigrating those who would speak freely about AP. >(Actually, I recall very few supporters of AP, even before the list >subscribership dropped dramatically.) Since you shitcan the posts of a variety of list subscribers, your recollections don't count for very much, do they? >I like a lot of your stuff, Adam, but on this one I think you're 175 >degrees out of phase with reality. Perhaps Adam's view of reality encompasses a broader range of posts to the list than Tim's does. Perhaps those who put all cypherpunks in their killfiles could claim that the cypherpunks don't really exist. TruthMonger (#1--the shit disturber)

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