December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Why Doesn't Wired.....
by jimp＠wired.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <v4cAlOwscUg6077yn(a)io.org>, werewolf(a)io.org (Mark Terka) wrote: > .....if it is sooooooo hooked in the online culture have a PGP public key > that 'net users could use to send in their credit card numbers for > subscriptions? Here it is. We're just implementing it. Send us a message (send to talk2subs(a)wired.com) -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.7 mQCOAy8EM1EAAAEEANqhOZTAwWI/99ZZ7t77VHH02n+xM4CQEk2DJe2zZhpjKP8v EHndzBPr3dIsHOZUJABi7ztk5NiQhNVR5EBE7Tqz/7HhGFUE2ErVjAS3OQckcmvW BrCgNXfe0G4tlX1paXFGHsoVT3UgE2IKjttwmZA1WtOH1lbgLCGi/5f257vHAA9A AbQnV2lyZWQgQ2lyY3VsYXRpb24gPHRhbGsyc3Vic0B3aXJlZC5jb20+ =xdqc -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -- Jim Petersen Argue for your limitations.... jimp(a)wired.com And they are yours.

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No Subject
by david＠arch.ping.dk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It is interesting that the situation is so symmetrical. Given collusion with the bank by the other party, with regular ecash we protect Alice's but not Bob's anonymity. With this "reverse ecash" we protect Bob but not Alice. (Alice is the payor, Bob the payee.) If people were allowed to exchange coins anonymously, either system will provide anonymity for both parties. (In the reverse ecash system Alice hands the the blinded proto-coins along with some regular coins to the bank and receives blinded new coins.) Earlier there was discussion of an ecash coin-exchanging service ("Charlie") designed to provide payee anonymity in the regular ecash system. Bob would send his newly-received coins to Charlie along with blinded proto-coins. Charlie would then exchange them at the bank and send the new (blinded) coins back to Bob. Charlie and Bob can be anonymous to each other, but Bob has to trust Charlie with his coins. A similar service would work for the reverse ecash system to protect Alice's anonymity. Bob blinds some proto-coins and sends them to Alice, who further blinds them and sends them to Charlie along with some regular coins of the same values. Charlie exchanges the regular coins for new coins using the doubly blinded proto-coins. He gives the blinded coins back to Alice, who unblinds them and gives them to Bob, who removes the last blinding to reveal the valid coins. It is Alice in this protocol who has to trust Charlie with her coins. Hal

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Linux Encrypted File Sytem
by Mike Gorsuch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey guys, I'm hoping that you guys can point me in the right direction. I have become very interested in the idea of an encrypted file system, rather than encrypting individual files. I read an article in the Linux Journal that talked about how to give Linux the support. Well, first I had to get the source for an older kernel, 2.0.30, and use the patches. It patched and compiled fine. Next I was supposed to patch mount. The problem I am facing is that the mount source will not take the patch right. If anyone can help me on these two issues I would be very happy: 1) What source version of mount do I need to use? 2) Is there a way to get kernel 2.0.35 or later to use this support? Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Darkest Hour is Always Just Before Dawn..." Mike Gorsuch aka Wulfgang ICQ UIN 670820 email: mikeg(a)soonernet.com Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/6071 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Thank you for downloading DropStuff
by Aladdin Customer Service 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: Postcard Debates
by Joel O'Connor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Deep. . .mad deep. I completely agree, does anyone know of any such laws regarding e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2 iQA/AwUBNnFaV1MQ9C083U98EQIkFwCcDqbpZqgR0wehfhGufe8Rqzr8ZKcAoNH8 xVqePuZTtRuBALc2NSfiM3BS =kkN5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---"Wilson, Jamie (J.R.)" <jwilso37(a)visteonet.com> wrote: > > If everyone just encrypted their messages then no suspicions would be raised > regarding the use of encryption. Most people use envelopes, plain and > simple -- and as a result no one questions what they are hiding. It's > understood that mail is private and therefore people have a right to seal it > in an envelope and not worry about people tampering with it. On the same > note, there are federal regulations and penalties (in the U.S. anyway) for > tampering with mail and interrupting the delivery of it. The same laws > should apply to email. > > ____________________________________________________ > Jamie R. Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wenzler [mailto:rwenzler@usachoice.com] > Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 1998 13:56 > To: Mbishop645(a)aol.com > Cc: maven(a)weirdness.com; hab(a)gamegirlz.com; Cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: > > > > > Mbishop645(a)aol.com wrote: > > > > >HaB wrote: > > ><snip> > > >> That's a good place to begin, though. "Would you send a letter to > > >> someone without an envelope?" "Then why not put your email in the > > >> electronic equivalent of one?" > > >> > > >> balance. > > > > > >Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope? > > >One word: postcard. > > > > Ahh, but would you tape a check for your phone bill to a postcard? Other > > than writing a greeting to someone what else do you use a postcard for? > > No, I would not tape a phone bill check to a postcard. There is the > chance for it to fall off. > > There is different methods of sending mail for different levels of > security and functionality. Some people make it obvious what is inside > an envelope. (who would not recognize a Christmas card from the > envelope?) Others make it as bland and normal as possible to > have it go by without much notice. > > It all depends on how secure you want it. Some things you can do > with what amounts to postcard security. > > What amount of security do you want for your email? Would you be > willing to do something extra for that security? > > This type of question is up to each person. How much risk is the > person willing to take. Each person has the responsibility to > understand what the risks are and to decide what risks they are > willing to take. > == Ogre bounces like sonar. . .Peace. Ogre _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Welcome to Netcenter
by netcenter-reg＠netscape.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Your Postal Code
by netcenter-reg＠netscape.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Monica Lewinsky, You have received this email because you had requested Netcenter to mail you the postalcode used in your Netcenter registration. We have your postalcode as: "90024" You can use this postal code to obtain your password or username. If it is not your correct postal code, please update it (and any other out-of-date information) in the Netcenter Member Center. Thanks, Netcenter Registration

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Netcenter member information
by netcenter-reg＠netscape.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: PGP Inc has gone to the dogs
by Reeza! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cleaning out the dross, I found this. What was "broken" in pgp50? Reeza! At 10:16 AM 10/18/98 +0100, Adam Back wrote: > >PGP Inc has taken leave of it's sense. Masses of untrue claims on web >pages (take a look at examples below), no RSA support, no unix >versions (other than old broken pgp50).

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