December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

VANGUARD: An Election About Nothing? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: VANGUARD: An Election About Nothing? > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 98 00:35:09 -0600 > From: Vanguard <Vanguard(a)theVanguard.org> > > AN ELECTION ABOUT NOTHING? > 30 October 1998 > > Copyright 1998, Rod D. Martin > > "The Vanguard of the Revolution" > National Edition > An election is at hand, and yet again, the vast majority will not > vote. Just as they have shown a complete disinterest in the > character of the President, they will Tuesday show a total lack of > concern for the fate of their country. For them, this is the > Seinfeld election: an election about nothing. > > It is just as well that such nincompoops won't vote; and yet it is > a sorry commentary on the state of our body politic that so few > understand, that so few even care. Another fatal disaster just > this month, this time in Taft, California, shows us again just why > it is so tragic. Perhaps they're not stupid. Perhaps their not nin-compoops, but rather you are for assigning any value to the entire process. It is a standard litany of conventional science to choose the lesser of two evils. Perhaps the lesser of two evils in this corrupted, Constitutionaly bereft system is *NOT TO PARTICIPATE*. Sine it obviously doesn't matter who wins, since the mighty spectre of compromise will dilute any real difference into a verbal shell game devoid of meaning. Maby deToquville (sorry for spelling - early morning) was right about mediocrity being the result of democracy, except in one fine point. It won't be the people as a whole but rather those who are too stupid and wedded to outmoded ideals to change. The social and political dinosaurs if you will. Maby the polls where drunk dwarves win over 'serious' candidates is actualy demonstrating the absurdity of those who insist their issue are serious. Perhaps people are finaly seeing that these nin-compoops who want the political power in this country are simply blind to a social and economic change in the winds. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Is CP mail to me bouncing?
by ichudov＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Francis Litterio wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In the last few days I've ceased receiving CP email from algebra.com. > Am I still subscribed? Is mail to me bouncing back to you? My ISP > has some aggressive anti-spam measures that sometimes bounce mail from > lists. Yes, your problems in receiving cypherpunks mail are due to your ISP. Please change your ISP, as the current one cares more about the antispam crusade than about their customers receiving email. - Igor.

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[Fwd: ...prolonged, unintentional and inadvertent...]
by da5id＠simons-rock.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Subject: ...prolonged, unintentional and inadvertent... From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 11:30:26 -0500 Delivered-To: da5id(a)simons-rock.edu Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:32:36 -0500 Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Resent-Message-ID: <"CF3sc1.0.UA3.D0pFs"@shell> Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Forwarded-by: Nev Dull <nev(a)bostic.com> Forwarded-by: "Geoffrey S. Knauth" <gknauth(a)bbn.com> Forwarded-by: Tom Schuneman <elf(a)wavemark.com> PARIS (Reuters) - Electronic trading may be cheap, but leaning on the keyboard can be costly. A mystery plunge in the value of French 10-year bond futures on July 23 was triggered by a bank trader at Salomon Brothers in London who accidentally and repeatedly hit the "Instant Sell" button, investigators said Thursday. A wave of 145 separate sell orders sent the price diving on electronic screens. "The disputed trades arose as a result of the prolonged, unintentional and inadvertent operation of the 'Instant Sell' key," said an investigation by computer software firm Cap Gemini and security group Kroll Associates. Salomon Brothers declined to comment on any losses.

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RE: VANGUARD: An Election About Nothing? (fwd)
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Murray wrote: > Not voting tells the current politicians that you > don't care what they do to you. They'd be happier > if only % of the electorate bothered to vote that's > fewer people to market to. Yep look at it as a market. People who don't or can't vote don't count; jist as people who don't or can't pay don't count in a shop. If you vote or at least if you give a credible threat of possibly voting they might notice. Otherwise you are invisible. > I was thinking as I read the voter pamphlet that an > Absurdist party would be quite amusing and would > point out the silliness of the current politicians. > But I don't think I could come up with anything as > wacky as the Natural Law people can. We used to get "Natural Law" candidates in UK as well. Not so many last time round, maybe they finally spent George Harrison's money. The best track-record for an Absurdist Party in this country is the Monster Raving Looney Party, which used to be mostly Screaming Lord Sutch who stood for parliament again and again but has recently taken on some sort of continuing existence (see http://www.surfbaud.co.uk/loony/) and even has a few town councillors in various places. Sutch may well have almost invented an electoral version of the cypherpunk assasination prototcol - bookies were quoting odds of 15 million to one against him winning a seat once and he pointed out that if he could find a way to pay voters off anonymously he could bet on himself and bribe the electorate with his winnings... I think the odds fell after that. Of course the possibility of easy anonymous bribery makes traditional electoral law much, much harder to enforce (see, this is relevant to Cypherpunks). There are some fun looking parties around. The line up for the UK General Election on the Glorious First of May was (in order of number of seats gained): Labour Party, Conservative Party, Liberals, Ulster Unionist Party, Scottish Nationalist Party, Plaid Cymru, Social Democratic and Labour Party, Democratic Unionist, Sinn Fein, United Kingdom Unionist, Madam Speaker Seeking Reelection and Martin Bell standing as an independent; all of whom won something. And Alliance Party of Northern Ireland, British National Party, Rainbow Dream Ticket Party, Green Party, Liberal Party, Mebyon Kernow,Monster Raving Loony Party,National Democrats, Northern Ireland Women's Coalition, Natural Law Party , ProLife Alliance ,Popular Unionist Party, Referendum Party Socialist Labour Party, Socialist Party, Scottish Social Alliance, UK Independence Party, Workers Party, Workers Revolutionary Party; who didn't win anything but all seem to have some sort of continuing existence as parties And Anti Sleaze/Corruption, AntiConservative, Sportsman's Alliance: Anyone But Mellor, Lord Byro versus the Scallywag Tories, AntiPoliticians, Antimajority Democracy, Independent Democracy Means Consulting the People, People in Slough Shunning Useless Politicians, Common Sense Sick of Politicians Party, None of the Above, Drugs Hemp/Cannabis Platforms, New Millenium, New Way, Hemp Candidate, Hemp Coalition, Legalise Cannabis Party, Ind AE Independent Anti Europe, British Home Rule , British Isles People First, Independent Conservative, Independant Christian, Christian Party, Christian Nationalist, Christian Democrat, Christian Unity, Independent Communist, Communist Party of Britain, Communist League, Independent British Democratic Party, Social Democrat, English Democratic Party, Rennaisence Democrat, Independent Democrat, Freedom/Justice/Rights Platform, Justice Party, Freedom Party, Justice and Renewal Independent Party, Pacifist for Peace, Justice, Cooperation, Environment, Charter for Basic Rights, Fellowship Party for Peace and Justice, Human Rights ', British Freedom and Individual Rights, Far Left, Radical Alternative, Building a Fair Society, Full Employment Party, Socialist Party of Great Britain, Socialist Equality Party, Independent Far Right, National Front, Third Way, Independent Green, Scrapit Stop Avon Ring Road, Newbury Bypass Stop Construction Now, Independent Liberal Democrat, Top Choice Liberal Democrat, Independent Labour, and Local Independent; who all seem to have been invented for the occasion. Make up your mind as to which, if any, are absurdist. I suspect none of them bribed the voters much. Roll on the transferable vote! Ken Brown & the Disclaimers.

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Re: VANGUARD: An Election About Nothing? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Eric Murray <ericm(a)lne.com> > Subject: Re: VANGUARD: An Election About Nothing? (fwd) > Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:00:34 -0800 (PST) > Not voting tells the current politicians that you don't care > what they do to you. They'd be happier if only 5% of the electorate > bothered to vote- that's fewer people to market to. That should set off flags for truly honest politicians (talk about a non sequeter). > If you don't like the Republicrats in office, then vote for > what the media denigrates as a 'fringe cantidate'. If they > lose, which is likely because Americans tend to want to vote > for the winner, then you'll be satisfied because you voted > against the idiot in office. If they happen to win, then > you'll either get someone wiht some new ideas which (hopefully) you > agree with, or someone so seriously wierd that they paralyze > government for their entire term. This of course assumes that there is some faith in the system. > The Natural Law people are so wierd that it's very tempting to Weird? You're talking to somebody who lives in Austin, Tx. The capital of weird amond weird....;) But the point isn't to vote for just anybody. I keep having this echo of Federalist #5 (I think that's the one about political parties) going through my head. The problem with our system is that we need a more representative form of government. It shouldn't be simply a football game (which leads to a related but deep issue about American psychology itself) but a fair and honest representation of the peoples desire. The only things I can find that would make such '3rd party' strategies work is if the representation was done by percentage as in Englands parliament. > That's my point. Absurdisim sends a much stronger message > than just not voting. Voting for serious 'fringe' candidates > (i.e. Libertarians) also sends a message. Not voting just > says "I don't care what you do to me". I'll think about this one. Several points come to mind and I'm not sure how to express them at this point. The point I can address is that it isn't that people voted for a drunk dwarve. It was the issue was so trivial or irrelevant that it didn't matter who goes in there, it simply doesn't matter. In that case the only answer is to opt out and spend ones time dealing with the issues and problems that do matter. The question is deeper than simply participation, it's addresses the entire point of the system that needs our participation in the first place. > last night the ABC web site had pages up with _today's_ > voting results, with 100% of the "precincts reporting". I'd guess they were testing. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by explorer＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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JIM MARTIN---NC Supreme Court (fwd)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This spam was received earlier today. One has to wonder just how stupid this guy is. Hint: I live at least a thousand miles from North Carolina. This guy is running for a position as judge, but thinks that it is more important to tell people about how many kids he has as opposed to his actual qualifications for the office. He might also want to learn how to use English, that people in the other 49 states cannot vote for or against him, and what the term "theft of service" means before he attempts to occupy such an office. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ineedyourhelp(a)yourvote.com Subject: JIM MARTIN---NC Supreme Court Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:42:32 JIM MARTIN NC Supreme Court My Friend: I needy Your Help when you vote on Tuesday. Your vote for me to represent you on the NC Supreme Court would really be appreciated by me. I'm not a politican. I have a Family, 3 kids in college and I can and will make a difference if you give me the chance to work for you.. When elected, I promise you that my Door will always be open TO YOU. I Thank You, Jim Martin

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17 Dec '03

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MIB Subponeas
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toad has encouraged publication of any other subpoenas in the Toto-assassination case, and we've asked for info on any other solicitations by the MIBs to list subscribers, or others, such as that to Alan Greenspan posted here. It's understandable that anyone served or solicited might want to keep that private, upon legal advice, or for self-protection. However, it'd be a help to those of us awaiting the slug, or wanting to aid and abet the MIB-fed fictional conspiracy, to know what is happening. For example, the dates of contact, when the documents were served and the means used, what was asked for, or anything that might be shared without necessarily identifying who was contacted. Anon to the list or to jya if preferred. For example, Alcatraz's subpoena was dated October 9, for a GJ session on November 10. We don't know when the subpoena was served or how. And how those dates and compare to those of Huntsville's, though in latter case we've been told the subpoena came with two MIBs. JYA'd like to be in Tacoma when the WWA GJ is MIB imaginary totostimony, either in response to character-assassinatory subpoena or by idly hanging out with attention-seeking gov assassination-groupies, so some times and dates would be helpful if different from November 10. Bee in the bonnet: A few days before CJ's arrest warrant was issued the DoJ put out a study on the "Shared Traits of Potential Assassins:" http://jya.com/ojp80598.htm The traits: * To achieve notoriety or fame. * To bring attention to a personal or public problem. * To avenge a perceived wrong; to retaliate for a perceived injury. * To end personal pain; to be removed from society; to be killed. * To save the country or the world; to fix a world problem. * To develop a special relationship with the target. * To make money. * To bring about political change. What? The ambitious MIB job description mirrors the Cypherpunk agenda? The PR on the report goes on: The report outlines how law enforcement agencies can establish programs and systems to identify and prevent persons with the means and interest to attack a protected person. The guide may also assist law enforcement and security agencies responsible for investigating and preventing other kinds of targeted violence, such as stalking, domestic violence or workplace violence. The report takes law enforcement agencies through the entire threat assessment process, from designing a protective intelligence program to investigating suspicious persons to closing a case. Protective intelligence programs are based on the idea that the risk of violence is minimized if persons with the interest, capacity and willingness to mount an attack can be identified and rendered harmless before they approach a protected person. To obtain a copy of "Protective Intelligence and Threat Assessment Investigations" (NCJ 170612, 59 pp.), contact the National Criminal Justice Reference Service at 800-851-3420. Amazing coincidence, this matching of Justice with the Cypherpunk missions. MIB aiding and abetting MIB.

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