December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Pensacola Police have lost their mind!! (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 20:27:22 -0500 > Subject: Pensacola Police have lost their mind!! > I don't know if this story has reached the AP wire or not but today the > brave defenders of the faith here in Pensacola, FL have done their sworn > duty to protect us all by arresting a 5yr old on assault charges (againts > one of the Adult staff of the school). It made it to CNN. > These are the same brave soles who a few months ago when confronted by a > man sitting in his car with a gun to his head solved this problem by > riddeling his car, surrounding buildings, and a McDonalds playground with > over 100 rounds. > > As soon as I have some more information on this I will post a full report. Their story was that the child had a behavioral problem and the parents refused to get counceling when the school requested. She apparently goes on room smashing temper tantrums on a regular basis. The father of the child said it was the most ludicrous thing he had ever heard of, reportedly. Can't say that changes the situation a heck of a lot though... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Anthrax suspect predicts attack on US [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: http:--www.cnn.com-US-9802-20-anthrax.arrests- > MAN SUSPECTED OF HAVING ANTHRAX PREDICTED ATTACK > > February 20, 1998 > Web posted at: 10:15 p.m. EST (0315 GMT) > > LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- A man arrested on charges of possessing > what is believed to be the deadly toxin anthrax predicted on a radio > talk show the day before his arrest that the United States would be > the target of a major biological attack within two years. > > Tuesday, Larry Wayne Harris, speaking on Talk America Radio > Network's "The Buck Stops Here," gave a detailed description of what > he said was a plot involving more than 200 "sleeper cells" of Iraqi > students poised to unleash anthrax and bubonic plague bacteria on > the American people. > > "The odds of us making it through even the end of this century > without a major biological incident are very low," Harris said. > > Harris, 46, and William Leavitt Jr., 47, were arrested Wednesday > night in a Las Vegas suburb after an informant called the FBI to > report the two men told him they had anthrax. They are being held at > the Clark County Detention Center. > > Laboratory test results to determine whether a substance seized was > in fact anthrax were delayed Friday. No reason was given. > > Leavitt's attorney: Tests will be negative > > > > Leavitt's attorney, Lamond Mills, said in an interview with CNN in > Las Vegas he believes the tests will prove negative. > > "On Monday, I think the test results will be in and show that it's > non-toxic, and they're going to have to stand up and acknowledge > that. And their case is going to be flushed," Mills said. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Pensacola Police Need a Reality Check
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- News Story Pensacola News Journal Friday, Febuary 20, 1998 Kindergartner arrested in school scuffle By Sonja Lewis and Lesley Conn New Journal Staff Writters Her daddy told her it was like finger-painting, but 5 yaer-old Chaquita Doman was actually being fingerprinted following her arrest Wednesday and it wasn't fun. The Edgewater Elementary kindergarten student was booked on a felony battery warrant at the Department of Youth Services after scuffling with her school counselor. Linda green, 51, told Escambia deputies Chaquita bit and scratched her Feb. 3 when she tried to calm the girl. The warrant for battery of an elected official or educator was issued the day of the incident. Escambia deputies have never arrested anyone younger, a spokeswoman said. Chaquita's father, Lee Ernest Middleton, said the arrest is the most ludicrous thing he's ever experienced. District spokeswoman Barbara Frye said school officials were making sure a child with "an-out-of-contorl rage" got some counseling. Deputies notified Chaquita's parents Tuesday of the arrest warrant. Her parents brought her in Wednesday. "Can you imagine what it's like to have your daughter fingerprinted and escorted by a deputy to a juvenile facility?" asked her father. Middleton, 35, said he plans to contact a lawer as early as this morning because of the emotional trauma suffered by his daughter and her identical twin sister, Shakita. He took his daughters out of school Thursday. Missing four of her front teeth, Chaquita nodded Thursday that she bit and scratched someone. "She's good", she said tossing her thumb towards her twin. "I'm bad". Chaquita threw furniture and inflicted at least 27 deep scratches and bit Green's arm to cause "significant bleeding," Frye said. Chaquita was suspended for three days and her parents were asked to sign a counseling referral slip, Frye said. Because Green wanted the child to be councled, she called deputies. Middleton says he was not asked to sign anything until her suspention was up. He said he agreed to counseling. Because of juvenile protection laws, the State Attorney's Office could not say what action was taken. But her parents were told there would be no charges filed, they said. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- <HTML><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type:text/html"> <SCRIPT> function X() {var Text = "HTML is not acceptable for using in mail " + "or usenet so your browser will stop."; alert(Text); parent.close();}; </SCRIPT> </HEAD><BODY onLoad="X();return true">Hi</HTML> Tag-O-Matic: Don't be held back by yesterday's DOS! Try today's OS/2! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNO47fY9Co1n+aLhhAQGJZgP9HC6ShbPuPct2BdtqRdNMs7ZFh8rcHHje Bxrdd1cXW/sWDZfFTofygPn1TI+C6TUsOkepzFqWs2aHEgkV21Fy4c7B3o/dNuFL 56z7nKwDFiurTh8+5s1qtN9CK3xgFoS0EfOW8VgG7onHq18806rTyqggj4sZzwX4 g3RNsCbftKE= =8TIn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: On War, Legends, and Crypto (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:31:16 -0500 > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > Subject: Re: On War, Legends, and Crypto (fwd) > I was suggesting that when finding oneself in a conflict with LEOs, it is > better to be in the position of a trainrobber hiding in a cave with a > backdoor, rather than in the position of someone getting bombed in their > house at Waco or Ruby Ridge. True, but the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents aren't equivalent. In neither case were the people involved committing aggregious crimes nor were they expecting to be attacked by massed forces. I suspect that implicit with the premeditated train robbery is the expectation of pursuit. > You are always better off if you can show your opponent the futility of > his goal. I don't remember the date, but.... During the American Civil War, Lincoln and his wife were having dinner with several other government and military persons. During the dinner a discussion arose about the best way to end the war. After much discussion and depracation of the South Lincoln spoke. The gist of his rebuttal was that the *best* way to win a war was to make the enemy your friend. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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The Eloquence of Timothy C. May
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From the archives. Check for yourself if you don't believe me. 9 May 1997: > Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes against the > Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors. > > Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right thing. > Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all that. 12 Nov 1997: > At 10:37 PM -0700 11/12/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >There are RC4 sourcecode in ftp.replay.com. > >but, Is it same RC4 developed RSADSI ? > > > > It am developed. > > You go back where you came. You go back hotmail. We tired your stupid > questions on RC4 and your Misty posts. > > Sayonara! > > (And they wonder why we kicked Japan's butt.) > > --Tim May 26 Sep 1997: > At 8:00 PM -0700 9/26/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >Does anybody want MISTY algorithm ? > >If you want it,Please send e-mail to me. > > > > I thought we got rid of your sorry ass two weeks ago! > > Go back to trying to arrange "male penpals," which Dejanews shows to be > your activity on the Net prior to this recent playing of Misty. > > You go, chop chop. Sad, isn't it?

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Re: putting down the US military
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's easy to fault the military as an organization, as easy as with any other. Most of us have had enough experience with them to know what Dilbert knows, even if we can't quip like the master. What's hard is to know the unexplainable of combat and be unable to convey what it's like to those who haven't had the peculiar disorientation of losing whatever ability you've ever had to tell the difference between living and dying. No book or film or general has ever got right, nor any tale told by skulled out vets sober or not. What's never told is what it's like to lose control of mind and body for days weeks and months. Maybe it can't be told, can't be remembered, can't be related in normal ways of communicating. Maybe that's why some of the best war stuff is created by those who've never been there. Enduring an artillery barrage is beyond comprehension, your body goes to pieces under the crushing sound and concussion, and involuntary reactions overwhelm the normal controls of all organs and orifices. Every part goes haywire, beyond stopping, everybody on the scene can't help becoming beaten meat flopping and scrambling to get underground, trying to scream amidst god's loudest roar of thunder and screeching richocheting metal. Bombing is far worse than that. Even the hit of high speed round will hydraulic-ram your blood into parts of your carcass it was never meant to go, and your senses go numb with shock, and nothing works, body or mind. And that's before you become conscious enough to see the savagery the slug's done to your precious gut, arm, leg, crotch -- if it didn't fly through your helmet and skull leaving you permanently satisfied. There's no way to get ready for the worst you'll ever experience and wish you hadn't. Maybe that's why most vets forget what they actually experienced and fall back on the tired and true lies of war stories. Nobody could possibly believe the other if you could manage to tell the truth, which I doubt anybody's got the courage to do, to relive that, when every instinct of survival is to go blank. Which is why you'll see now and then some who just sit and stare a long way past the horizon, like math geniuses in Princeton deep thought. Anyway, this has nothing to do with recruiting and patriotism which are about wholly believable war stories like you see on tv and hear down at the lodge and bar.

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Re: Fallaciousness of the Chicago School of Economics
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam: >>I tend to agree with the view that monopolies exist due to government >>subsidies (eg. free government enforcement services for copyright, >>corporate welfare, government contracts.) Monopolies may depend on government for long-term stability, but fads can stick around for quite a while before dying out. Remember Disco? :-) Attila also talked about Intel making badly-designed microprocessors. It was somewhat of a vicious circle, since the big market for 80*86s required bug-for-bug compatibility with Microsloth's "640K is enough" real-mode DOS, partly because of the large investment companies had in applications like word processors that ran in that environment. Getting out of the problem requires replacing a whole bunch of things at the same time, and incremental upgrades can't get you there. (For a horrendous example, there's the Air Traffic Control system, brought to you by the same government that wants to help us fix our Microsoft addictions; got any spare 360/90 clones?) Tim: >I am trying to sit out this latest "Microsoft" thread as much as I can bear >to. (It seems that several lists I'm are consumeed by the dual memes of >"What to do about Microsoft?" and "What to do about spam?" Same arguments, >recycled endlessly.) Obviously, ship the spam to Microsoft and be done with it :-) The Spam Wars does seem to be muscling out "Libertarians vs. Statists" as the canonical all-consuming political discussion on the net, though there's a fair bit of overlap. >My view is a simple one: those who don't like Microsoft products should use >something else. It works for me. Sigh. In the business world, we tend to be stuck with Microsoft products, chosen by the same clueless bureaucrats who choose 10-pound laptops :-) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: The Political Education of Eric Tune
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 2/20/98 1:32 AM, Eric Cordian (emc(a)wire.insync.net) passed this wisdom: >> Listen up jerk, in case you didn't get any news during 1990, >> Iraq attacked Kuwait, and murdered thousands of Kuwaitis. > >Iraq, mislead by the US into believing that there would be no >interference in its long-standing dispute with Kuwait, annexed it, >providing a pretense for the US to do some dirty work for the >Israelis, who did not want to tolerate an Arab military giant in >their region. > >Kuwait provoked Iraq far more than places like Panama and Grenada >have provoked the United States, when US forces poured in to remove >existing governments, and install regimes sympathetic to >Washington, also killing thousands of uninvolved civilians. Somewhere in there I also remember reading about the fact that Kuwait was slant drilling into a major Iraqi oil field and systematically pumping it for all it was worth. Not exactly kosher! Many greater conflicts have been begun for far more trivial transgressions. Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path, and leave a trail" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Some children are rabid and need to be put down (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:30:43 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Some children are rabid and need to be put down > I know that if a kid was throwing chairs at me I'd be tempted to throw a > punch back...something that is strictly verboten. Lawsuits, criminal > prosecution, never work in the school system again, that sort of verboten. Let me get this straight, you would punch a 5 year old child? Tim, you truly have my sympathy and I sincerely hope that someday you deal with whatever it is that drives that sense of personal injustice and anger. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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BBC Gnaws Crypto
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The BBC has a special report on encryption policy today on its Web site, with disputes among the UK, EU and US: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/encryption/newsid_58000 /58499.stm Thanks to Yaman Akdeniz on UK Crypto list.

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