December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: On War, Legends, and Crypto (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:31:16 -0500 > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > Subject: Re: On War, Legends, and Crypto (fwd) > I was suggesting that when finding oneself in a conflict with LEOs, it is > better to be in the position of a trainrobber hiding in a cave with a > backdoor, rather than in the position of someone getting bombed in their > house at Waco or Ruby Ridge. True, but the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents aren't equivalent. In neither case were the people involved committing aggregious crimes nor were they expecting to be attacked by massed forces. I suspect that implicit with the premeditated train robbery is the expectation of pursuit. > You are always better off if you can show your opponent the futility of > his goal. I don't remember the date, but.... During the American Civil War, Lincoln and his wife were having dinner with several other government and military persons. During the dinner a discussion arose about the best way to end the war. After much discussion and depracation of the South Lincoln spoke. The gist of his rebuttal was that the *best* way to win a war was to make the enemy your friend. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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The Eloquence of Timothy C. May
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From the archives. Check for yourself if you don't believe me. 9 May 1997: > Chiles and his co-conspirators should be shot for high crimes against the > Constitution. After Clinton, Freeh, Kerrey, and the other traitors. > > Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the right thing. > Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken eggs and all that. 12 Nov 1997: > At 10:37 PM -0700 11/12/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >There are RC4 sourcecode in ftp.replay.com. > >but, Is it same RC4 developed RSADSI ? > > > > It am developed. > > You go back where you came. You go back hotmail. We tired your stupid > questions on RC4 and your Misty posts. > > Sayonara! > > (And they wonder why we kicked Japan's butt.) > > --Tim May 26 Sep 1997: > At 8:00 PM -0700 9/26/97, Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > >Does anybody want MISTY algorithm ? > >If you want it,Please send e-mail to me. > > > > I thought we got rid of your sorry ass two weeks ago! > > Go back to trying to arrange "male penpals," which Dejanews shows to be > your activity on the Net prior to this recent playing of Misty. > > You go, chop chop. Sad, isn't it?

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Re: putting down the US military
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's easy to fault the military as an organization, as easy as with any other. Most of us have had enough experience with them to know what Dilbert knows, even if we can't quip like the master. What's hard is to know the unexplainable of combat and be unable to convey what it's like to those who haven't had the peculiar disorientation of losing whatever ability you've ever had to tell the difference between living and dying. No book or film or general has ever got right, nor any tale told by skulled out vets sober or not. What's never told is what it's like to lose control of mind and body for days weeks and months. Maybe it can't be told, can't be remembered, can't be related in normal ways of communicating. Maybe that's why some of the best war stuff is created by those who've never been there. Enduring an artillery barrage is beyond comprehension, your body goes to pieces under the crushing sound and concussion, and involuntary reactions overwhelm the normal controls of all organs and orifices. Every part goes haywire, beyond stopping, everybody on the scene can't help becoming beaten meat flopping and scrambling to get underground, trying to scream amidst god's loudest roar of thunder and screeching richocheting metal. Bombing is far worse than that. Even the hit of high speed round will hydraulic-ram your blood into parts of your carcass it was never meant to go, and your senses go numb with shock, and nothing works, body or mind. And that's before you become conscious enough to see the savagery the slug's done to your precious gut, arm, leg, crotch -- if it didn't fly through your helmet and skull leaving you permanently satisfied. There's no way to get ready for the worst you'll ever experience and wish you hadn't. Maybe that's why most vets forget what they actually experienced and fall back on the tired and true lies of war stories. Nobody could possibly believe the other if you could manage to tell the truth, which I doubt anybody's got the courage to do, to relive that, when every instinct of survival is to go blank. Which is why you'll see now and then some who just sit and stare a long way past the horizon, like math geniuses in Princeton deep thought. Anyway, this has nothing to do with recruiting and patriotism which are about wholly believable war stories like you see on tv and hear down at the lodge and bar.

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Re: Fallaciousness of the Chicago School of Economics
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam: >>I tend to agree with the view that monopolies exist due to government >>subsidies (eg. free government enforcement services for copyright, >>corporate welfare, government contracts.) Monopolies may depend on government for long-term stability, but fads can stick around for quite a while before dying out. Remember Disco? :-) Attila also talked about Intel making badly-designed microprocessors. It was somewhat of a vicious circle, since the big market for 80*86s required bug-for-bug compatibility with Microsloth's "640K is enough" real-mode DOS, partly because of the large investment companies had in applications like word processors that ran in that environment. Getting out of the problem requires replacing a whole bunch of things at the same time, and incremental upgrades can't get you there. (For a horrendous example, there's the Air Traffic Control system, brought to you by the same government that wants to help us fix our Microsoft addictions; got any spare 360/90 clones?) Tim: >I am trying to sit out this latest "Microsoft" thread as much as I can bear >to. (It seems that several lists I'm are consumeed by the dual memes of >"What to do about Microsoft?" and "What to do about spam?" Same arguments, >recycled endlessly.) Obviously, ship the spam to Microsoft and be done with it :-) The Spam Wars does seem to be muscling out "Libertarians vs. Statists" as the canonical all-consuming political discussion on the net, though there's a fair bit of overlap. >My view is a simple one: those who don't like Microsoft products should use >something else. It works for me. Sigh. In the business world, we tend to be stuck with Microsoft products, chosen by the same clueless bureaucrats who choose 10-pound laptops :-) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: The Political Education of Eric Tune
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 2/20/98 1:32 AM, Eric Cordian (emc(a)wire.insync.net) passed this wisdom: >> Listen up jerk, in case you didn't get any news during 1990, >> Iraq attacked Kuwait, and murdered thousands of Kuwaitis. > >Iraq, mislead by the US into believing that there would be no >interference in its long-standing dispute with Kuwait, annexed it, >providing a pretense for the US to do some dirty work for the >Israelis, who did not want to tolerate an Arab military giant in >their region. > >Kuwait provoked Iraq far more than places like Panama and Grenada >have provoked the United States, when US forces poured in to remove >existing governments, and install regimes sympathetic to >Washington, also killing thousands of uninvolved civilians. Somewhere in there I also remember reading about the fact that Kuwait was slant drilling into a major Iraqi oil field and systematically pumping it for all it was worth. Not exactly kosher! Many greater conflicts have been begun for far more trivial transgressions. Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path, and leave a trail" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Some children are rabid and need to be put down (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:30:43 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Some children are rabid and need to be put down > I know that if a kid was throwing chairs at me I'd be tempted to throw a > punch back...something that is strictly verboten. Lawsuits, criminal > prosecution, never work in the school system again, that sort of verboten. Let me get this straight, you would punch a 5 year old child? Tim, you truly have my sympathy and I sincerely hope that someday you deal with whatever it is that drives that sense of personal injustice and anger. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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BBC Gnaws Crypto
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The BBC has a special report on encryption policy today on its Web site, with disputes among the UK, EU and US: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/encryption/newsid_58000 /58499.stm Thanks to Yaman Akdeniz on UK Crypto list.

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Jimbelling the Sheep
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The FBI informant who orchestrated the capture of the recent "Anthrax Terrorists" turns out to be a man twice convicted of felony extortion. He presently markets something called "The AZ-58 Ray Tube Frequency Instrument Prototype" which he advertises as being able to somehow purify the body of bacteria and viruses. Sounds like a rehash of Radionics. You may view the contraption at its very own web site, http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/jmckenzie ----- LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Far from planning an anthrax attack, William Leavitt Jr. was involved in a bizarre deal to buy a $2 million germ-killing machine from an FBI informant who double-crossed him, Leavitt's lawyers said Friday. Leavitt was described by his attorneys as a well-meaning, if gullible scientist. He and Larry Wayne Harris, both microbiologists, were arrested in suburban Henderson Wednesday outside a medical office and charged with conspiracy to possess and possession of a biological agent. His lawyers said Leavitt was operating under the assumption that what Harris had was Anthrax vaccine, which is legal and safe. The FBI was awaiting tests Friday to determine if it was vaccine or material grade anthrax, which is potent enough to kill thousands of people. Leavitt is married with three children and runs his own fire-protection business. The FBI says he also owns microbiological laboratories in his hometown of Logandale, Nev., and Frankfurt, Germany. His criminal attorney, Lamond Mills, said the FBI's informant, Ronald Rockwell, was trying to ``scam'' Leavitt into buying a germ-killing machine. ``When he couldn't scam 'em, he went the other way. He became a good guy for the FBI,'' Mills said. Leavitt's business lawyer, Kirby Wells, said the machine was called the AZ-58 Ray Tube Frequency Instrument Prototype, and was hyped by Rockwell in glossy brochures as being able to flush the body clean of bacteria and viruses. ``It looked like a bunch of bells and whistles,'' said Wells, who said he saw a picture of the machine. ``What made my client believe there was substance to that thing, I don't know. I wish I did.'' A promotion on the Internet has a bold headline: ``ANTHRAX,'' and goes on to say the AZ-58 ``can treat large numbers of people at the same time.'' ``Has the greatest health discovery in history been suppressed?'' the ad asks. Leavitt was close to buying the machine in a $2 million deal, but wanted to test it before making a $100,000 down-payment and arranged to fly Harris to Las Vegas about a week ago to help, said Wells. Leavitt believed that Harris was transporting anthrax vaccine, Mills said. But Rockwell told the FBI that Leavitt described it as military-grade. On the''NBC Nightly News'' Friday, Rockwell reiterated that Leavitt and Harris said they had military grade anthrax. ``They lied on what they were going to do,'' Rockwell said. ``It scared me so bad.'' There is no phone listing for Rockwell in the Las Vegas area. His attorney has not returned calls to The Associated Press. Leavitt and Harris were arrested Wednesday night after the FBI, with Rockwell's help, tailed the men to a medical office in suburban Henderson. Authorities removed a cooler and petri dishes from the office, and sealed the men's beige Mercedes in plastic before transporting it to an Air Force base. Leavitt, 47, and Harris, 46, of Lancaster, Ohio, are being held without bond. In an affidavit, the FBI said described Rockwell as a cancer research scientist who was convicted of felony extortion in 1981 and 1982. But the FBI has vouched for his credibility, saying he came forward without getting a deal and was a ``citizen performing his civic duty.'' Harris' attorney, Michael Kennedy, said Thursday that Rockwell's credibility ``is something we're going to look into.'' It was unclear how Leavitt, a Mormon bishop with strong political ties, got hooked up with Harris, an alleged white supremacist who has been plugging his self-published book about germ warfare. The FBI has said Harris met Rockwell last summer at a Denver science conference, while Leavitt's attorneys said they believed Rockwell got the men together. Mills said the results of the FBI tests will determine if they remain united in their defense. ``If the tests come back non-toxin, there is no case,'' said Mills. ``If it comes back military grade, then whoa, time out, that's not our fault. We separate from (Harris) completely.'' -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Jimbelling the Sheep (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Eric Cordian <emc(a)wire.insync.net> > Subject: Jimbelling the Sheep > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:20:51 -0600 (CST) > The FBI informant who orchestrated the capture of the recent "Anthrax > Terrorists" turns out to be a man twice convicted of felony extortion. In one of the news reports that I heard the informant was described as a cancer researcher who was approached with an offer to purchase some surplus lab equipment. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Some children are rabid and need to be put down (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Eric Cordian <emc(a)wire.insync.net> > Subject: Re: Some children are rabid and need to be put down > Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:18:04 -0600 (CST) > Now she may have a legitimate problem, and may have started biting and > scratching in response to the counselor saying - "Good morning. You look > lovely today." Apparently the girls problems had been going on for a while, if the reports are accurate. Which raises the question of why she was still in a regular school environment in the first place. If it was a 'all of a sudden' attack then perhaps the instructor needs some looking into as well. I'd like to know what the 'significant blood loss' from scratches was refering to, as well as what experience the teacher had with the child prior to this. > It is rarely useful to take things like this at face value, especially > given the spin control talents of school administrators and the teachers > union. Agreed. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | When a man assumes a public trust, he should | | consider himself public property. | | | | Thomas Jefferson | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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