December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Pending Attack on Mailmasher and Pseudonymous Posting
by nobody＠wazoo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One of the denizens from alt.flame (wotan(a)databasix.com / wotan(a)netcom.com) is on a personal crusade to get the Mailmasher pseudonym server shut down, claiming that it was "abused" by accepting "forgeries". As you'll recall, the pretext of "abuse" was conveniently used my the CoS to get several remailers shut down. Let's not let the enemies of privacy win this one! Here's how William McClatchey, aka "Wotan", concluded his post: > Well, I was nice and polite when the forgeries began. I sent toxic a > nice message asking that he disable the abitlity to forge wotan@databasix > and wotan@netcom. That appears to be too hard for him. He gets his > access from mci. > > I encourage anyone who is being forged due to the deliberate negligence > on toxic's part to write hotwired and MCI asking that mailmasher be shut > down until it can longer be used to commit forgeries. Mr. McClatchey (Wotan) is certainly well aware that you can't detect "forgeries" without positive proof of a person's identity, which would defeat the entire purpose of posting anonymously/pseudonymously. And to "disable the ability to forge" e-mail addresses is well beyond the scope of Mailmasher, since it's as easy to do as changing the settings in Netscape, Eudora, etc. His demands are like asking the USPS to make sure that the return address you put on each envelope you mail is your own!

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17 Dec '03

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GAK
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[ocksucker] May is just a poor excuse for an unschooled, retarded thug. <o o> Tim C[ocksucker] May /-+-- --+X /> <\

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RE: Recommendation: Creation of "alt.cypherpunks"
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Timothy C. May - no "unsuscribe" and "unscrive" messages! (It makes it easy for newcomers to discover the group, read it for a while, then stop. It also, of course, increases the number of "What is crypto?" sorts of messages.) ........................................ In regards to the newbie questions, it occurred to me that it would be useful to have a FAQ, much shorter than the Cyphernomicon, which would get some basic questions answered and contain many collected references & web sites for all the other questions which typically have come up on the list and would certainly show up in a newsgroup. Maybe LD could be prevailed upon to write it (he's probably not occupied doing anything useful, anyway).... :>) .. Blanc

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re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** This is for Sandy and John, not for the list itself *** Damn. Another example of the Tragedy of the Commons. I'm sorry you decided to pull the plug -- but I fully understand your reasoning. As I mentioned in an e-mail (and/or conversation a while back), I'd be happy to help with the moderation as long as (a) it doesn't prevent me from doing my "real" job and (b) we can figure out a solution to the obvious logistics problems (I'm on a Mac, not a Unix box). In any case, thanks to John and Sandy for all the hard work. Martin.

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Re: Network of majordomos
by pdh＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:09 PM 2/11/1997, Greg Broiles wrote: >At 10:45 AM 2/11/97 -0600, Firebeard wrote: >> [...] I've already taken steps, along with Jim Choate, to >> start a network of majordomos hosting a Cypherpunks mailing list. >> [...] Our intention is to have a set of majordomos which >> are intersubscribed to a cypherpunks list on each one, with measures >> taken to ensure that mail loops don't develop. > I still think you're just rediscovering Usenet technology.... > And, if you must, run mail-to-news gateway(s) which send the newsgroup to > people who want it as E-mail. > Usenet technology does exactly what you're describing:... How about this? The people who like Usenet should race ahead and set it up. The people who like networks of majordomos should race ahead and set those up. Just so long as the tracks meet somewhere in Utah. The more people are involved with distributing the "list" the more robust it will be. Peter Hendrickson pdh(a)best.com

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Mac-Crypto 1997 session Schedule
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: mac-crypto(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:43:19 -0800 From: Vinnie Moscaritolo <vinnie(a)webstuff.apple.com> To: Multiple recipients of <mac-crypto(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Mac-Crypto 1997 session Schedule hey all; I have posted a preliminary list of sessions for the 1997 Mac-Crypto conference at the Mac-Crypto conference at the webpage http://www.vmeng.com/mc/conf.html if you haven't registered, please get your name in now! if you want to give a talk, please drop me a line asap. Vinnie Moscaritolo http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A ------------------------------------------------------- ...I know what probably happened. A new high-level manager at Apple picked up some old dusty videotape off the shelf, labelled "Super Bowl 1984", played it and said, "Yah know, that guy on the screen was making a hell of a lot of sense until that trouble-maker smashed it!" --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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alt.cypherpunks
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey, folks, I thought all you had to do to create an alt.group was to have a news admin somewhere just make a group; send out a control message of somekind. I thought that alt groups didn't have to go through a charter, or voting process, or anything else. They just happened. Then, everyone just has to tell their local news admin that they went to see it, or they can wait until their news admin sees it flying by, and adds it to the available groups list at his own discretion. It's not like we want comp.cypherpunks or something, with a voting process, right? Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What about totally uncentralized. Instead of using a system like majordomo.com, each person maintain a list of "subscribers", I would be willing to at least attempt to be one lightening rod for "subscriptions". Since I am using the schools machine to read the list, and I don't have any extra priveledge, I would have to do it manually and might quickly stop, but I would be willing to try. In this way, everyone is moderately censored by the processor time expended in mailing a message CC:'d to everyone, but no one could effectively do any type of blocking of the list. Those acting in the place of majordomo could regularly trade lists for alphabetization, (so that the lists should be identical), and file comparing. This list could then be sent to anyone who wanted to be a "subscriber" so that they could post as well. A more effective way would be to have the distributed list as previously discussed, or even maintain one account or web-page to hold the names, but I can't help with that. Just an idea. One small problem, with such a list, advertisers may feel less obligated to follow standard rules of ettiquite. They may feel that the list is even more "open season" than they as a group feel now. I hope that everyone will post to this thread as I would like to be able to "fall in" with the majority decision. To do that, there needs to BE a majority decision.

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Patrick May wrote: > Before doing this, I'd need the answers to a few questions: > > - Is there still any interest in a cypherpunks mailing list? yes > - Is alt.cypherpunks a better alternative? it is not an alternative, it is a complement. i think that alt.cypherpunks will be a failure because all of the troubles of alt.* hierarchy. > - Majordomo can be configured to require confirmation of > subscription requests, thus avoiding some attacks. Is there > any simple way to protect against mailloops? Directly > accessing the listname-outgoing alias? Add X-Loop: header and use procmail to protect against messages FROM_DAEMON and FROM_MAILER. > - Is a pentium up to the task of running a list of this size and > volume? yes, it is the other stuff that's the problem -- memory, connection speed, etc. - Igor.

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