December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Fighting the cybercensor
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto wrote: > Dale Thorn wrote: > > How does one country get on top and terrorize the whole world? By > > following Tom Wolfe's intimation concerning the pirates: "The people > > on the East coast were constantly victimized because they couldn't > > comprehend just how vicious and ruthless the pirates really were" > > (quote approximate). > Dale, > When I read posts like this, I wonder how any rationally thinking > person can possibly believe that socio/politico concerns have no > place in the discussion of crypto. > It is my belief that many of the more atrocious acts being performed > against the citizens by various governments are made possible by the > fact that there are so few people who recognize a 'pirate' when they > see one. > While I appreciate that there are those who may be furthering the > cause of crypto, privacy and freedom through official channels, the > controlled media, and such, there needs to be a forum in which > people are free to use what they consider to be the 'correct' > terminology to refer to those who have usurped democracy in order > to control the citizens for their own personal profit. > i.e. 'Pirates' When I recall my growing up years and the political/social arguments I participated in, I can hardly believe the things I've learned since, esp. things like government agencies sharing asset forfeitures as a means of funding further seizures (kind of snowballs, if you know what I mean). Check out H.R. 3355 of late 1993, which authorizes Janet Reno to personally treaty up with the local cops in every U.S. city of 100,000 pop. or more, i.e., most of the U.S. population, and virtually all of the "crime". There was a previous post today, perhaps yours, which made the point that while erstwhile freedom fighters are trying to put out one fire or another, the govt. boys are lighting dozens more. I guess that means we'll have to pony up a lot more tax money to pay those guys. Whoops! I forgot - they can self-fund now with the asset seizures.

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Re: Fantasy quotes & libel
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim, I enjoyed the 250,000 legalese-spams that you posted to the cypherpunks list. You are certainly handy with a search-engine. You have certainly shown that the shotgun-approach to legal issues is a valid one, as one of your posts actually came close to being relevant. Jim Choate wrote: > With the current 'editorial control' as provided by the cypherpunks mailing > list the mailing list operator/censor may also be held in some situations > accountable as well. This occurs because the relationship between list > operator and the quoter is similar to that of editor and reporter in a > newspaper. For the quoter to get his quote distributed the list operator > must ok it. The reasoning used is that the editor 'should have known' the > boundaries and applied them. Well, I'm certainly glad to hear that you feel you have the legal standing to sue the pants off of Sandy and John. When you're done with them, you might want to check out Canadian law and think about suing myself, as well. Of course, I realize that, given your strong position in regard to the need not to interfere in the rights of others to exert dicatatorial control over the content which passes through systems that they have paid for with their own money, you would not be so hypocritical as to attempt to interfere with those rights. An intelligent fellow such as yourself certainly wouldn't be so ignorant as to stand up in court and declare that the right to exert dicatatorial power by virtue of money and position should be negated only when it affects you personally. I am sincerely in your debt for pointing out to me that the purchase of my hardware and software, and the money I spend in maintaining it, give me license to exert total control over anything that passes through it. It was only the knowledge that you are a man who stands behind his statements that enabled me to recognize your post expressing whining outrage that the principles you espouse should apply equally to all were meant as humor, despite your failure to add the little happy-face grin :). Toto > Not only is ignorance not an excuse but neither is negligence.

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Daniel Harter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ichudov(a)algebra.com wrote: > Dale Thorn wrote: > > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > > > > > Both homosexual males and IV drug users are well known to take a lot > > > > > of antobiotics, which lowers the efficacy of the immune system enough > > > > > to allow most anything to happen, ultimately leading to auto-immune > > > > > problems. > > > > > Jim and Dale, I agree. > > > Also shooting one's bloodstream full of fecal matter hardly helps. > > > > My point about the antibiotics is that the male gays take a dis- > > proportionate amount of them, which compounds their problems. It > > suggests to me that the immune system is already seriously debilitated > > or damaged before AIDS can take hold, rather than the notion that a > > healthy person can get it from the virii alone. > > > > One could argue that in the cases where the cures (antibiotics) add to > > a person's problems by further corrupting their immune system, that > > they should simply change their habits. Since I don't see that as a > > reasonable possibility, the only thing left is that the public should > > be made aware of *all* of the relevant facts, even those which are > > heavily suppressed now for PC reasons. > > Why do they take antibiotics? Just curious. To treat various Venerial Diseases whose standard treatments are antibiotics. > Also, I haven't heard that antibiotics were bad for immune system, > has that been proven? What does seem to have credence is that the use of antibiotics breeds resistant strains of bacteria, which may or may not be contagious. A book that poses an opposing viewpoint to the current AIDS epidemic is _The AIDS War_ by John Lauritsen (1993, Asklepios, New York, ISBN 0-943742-08-0). It is written from a Gay man's perspective dissenting from the current HIV-AIDS theory. Another book he wrote is _Poison by Prescription: The AZT Story_. Also search on Peter H. Duesberg for primary sources in various Journals. Dan Harter dharter(a)harter.pg.md.us

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Xerox is watching you
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You'll find an article worth a visit to the dentist in the January 1997 issue of Popular Science. It tells a story from the 1960's cold war era. It seems that the only American who could get into the Soviet Embassy was the Xerox repairman. So the CIA and Xerox built a camera that took a picture of every copy that could be installed inside the 914 cabinet (where it would be invisble). Once a month, the repairman came by to do the ordinary cleaning and repair (those things broke down a lot). Part of the repair process exchanged the camera for a fresh load. The CIA could then read everything that was copied. The article suggests that other Xerox models had their own cameras. My back of the envelope (literally) computation suggests that one roll of 8-millimeter film would hold about 30,000 images. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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RE: Fighting the cybercensor
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: jim bell (in response to Dimitri Vulis') Look, I've proposed what I consider to be a remarkably consistent method to prevent the kind of political tyranny that you criticize, and I don't see any recognition of this fact. ........................................................ 1) Jim, why do you insist on discussing this on an forum for encryption? 2) Why do you suppose the Iraqis haven't already thought of doing this themselves? 3) The Mafia uses this method all the time - why then haven't they achieved a more rational society among themselves? 4) Weren't governments (like the U.S.) instituted to prevent this sort of thing (even if they don't work out as expected)? i.e., there were systems of courts and lawyers and such instituted to openly deal with "criminal" activity so that a) people could receive assistance against low-life degenerate killers, and b) it could be proven that the accused were indeed deserving of punishment. Humans being what they are, this hasn't worked like it's supposed to, but the point is that there is a reason why such ideas for systems of justice were introduced in the first place. That reason, as I eloquently read in a book, was "So That Reason May Live". That is, so that people who choose to live in a "society" may do so by the method of solving problems through the application of intelligence, rather than merely knocking each other off because a voting majority decides they don't like someone. Destructive people often ascend to positions of power not simply because they are ruthless, but because they have 1) many sycophantic followers and 2) many ignorant, vulnerable people unable to prevent it. You might be able to kill off one Saddam, but potentially many others would be waiting in the wings to take his place. The situation surrounding the existence of someone like Saddam is part of the contributing factors which keeps him there, not simply that one man himself. It was the same with Hitler and with so many others - they don't just have an excess of "power" concentrated within themselves which puts them in positions of control over others - there will have been many people who will have helped put them there, expecting to derive benefits from it. And what will be done about all those people who made this "power" possible? You don't just kill the one man and be done with it - you have to also "kill" the conditions which maintained him. .. Blanc

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Nurdane Oksas 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, snow wrote: > > > getting this degenerate disease when they get older. Check out the > > > videos by Howard Lyman, who used to be a big-time "chemical" farmer. > > > One quote: "My soil after a few years was like asbestos". > > As far as I understand, 1) no one really understands why cancer rates > > are up so much and 2) since people live longer, they are more likely do > > have cancer. > > While I don't claim to to be a Medical Researcher, I think that 1) should > be reworded to be "No one is willing to _admit_ why cancer rates are up so > much". You (generic) can look at certain population groups where there is > low incidence(sp?) of cancer, and then look at our society and it becomes > pretty obvious. > > Breast Cancer is exteremely rare in japenese women living in Japan. Thes > same women <excuse me while I light a cigerate> move to the US, start living > like American start developing breast cancer at a rate very similar to that > of American born women. lack of olive oil intake?? i head that olive oil is esp. necessary for women, as well as milk. > > IMO the biggest reason that "no one really understands why cancer rates are > up..." is that "they" are looking for the single bullet when reality isn't > usually that simple. > > I would be willing to make a bet that if you could get a large population > group to do the following, you would see a large statistical reduction in the > incidence(sp?) of cancer. > > 1) Eat a lot of fruits, vegetables & breads and cerials. Stay away from > large quantities of meat. Try to reduce your fat intake to under 20 grams a > day (USDA recommends around 40) > > 2) Exercise regularly. Ride a bike or walk/run to work. i think it's good also to exercise outdoors as well as your indoor nordictrack machines..sun and air is esp. necessary; > 3) Avoid excess in all things. even chocolate? :) > > What you said is one of the hypotheses. I personally feel that > > environment and bad greasy food are other major contributors. > > The way they cook all these fries, with overheated grease, is very > > bad. > > BINGO!. EAt well, and smile too ;) > > Sorry, gotta go, it's dinner time and McD's is calling... a good laugh goes a long way ... ;)

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Child Porn
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(Forward) *** NY student charged with sending child sex photos over Internet Nathaniel Levy, a psychology major at New York State University, was charged Wednesday with using the Internet to transmit photos of infants having sex with adults, the New York state attorney general said. Levy, who wanted to be a kindergarten teacher, was arrested for promoting sexual performance of a child. If convicted he could receive seven years in prison. Levy, whose computer name was "NateTSnake," was released Wednesday on $20,000 bail. He allegedly transmitted 35 sexually explicit photos of children, some as young as 18 months. For the full text story, see http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=1219452-9f3 -- Vipul Ved Prakash | - Electronic Security & Crypto vipul(a)pobox.com | - Web Objects 91 11 2233328 | - PERL Development 198 Madhuban IP Extension | - Linux & Open Systems Delhi, INDIA 110 092 | - Networked Multimedia

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c2 internet accounts
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

does c2net still offer internet accounts? I liked their offer for internet accounts with a 5 mb web site via telnet. does anyone else know of a place for cheap telnet only accounts? thanks;

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Child Porn
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(Forward) *** NY student charged with sending child sex photos over Internet Nathaniel Levy, a psychology major at New York State University, was charged Wednesday with using the Internet to transmit photos of infants having sex with adults, the New York state attorney general said. Levy, who wanted to be a kindergarten teacher, was arrested for promoting sexual performance of a child. If convicted he could receive seven years in prison. Levy, whose computer name was "NateTSnake," was released Wednesday on $20,000 bail. He allegedly transmitted 35 sexually explicit photos of children, some as young as 18 months. For the full text story, see http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=1219452-9f3 -- Vipul Ved Prakash | - Electronic Security & Crypto vipul(a)pobox.com | - Web Objects 91 11 2233328 | - PERL Development 198 Madhuban IP Extension | - Linux & Open Systems Delhi, INDIA 110 092 | - Networked Multimedia

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Internet companies demonstrate portable security
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(Forward) Internet companies demonstrate portable security Six Internet companies have joined forces to develop a joint demonstration of smartcard technologies at the 1997 RSA Data Security Conference. Consensus Development Corporation, Gemplus, Hewlett-Packard, Litronic Inc., Netscape Communications Corporation and VeriSign, Inc., Monday announced "The Get Smartcard Demo." The interactive demo will allow each conference attendee to load X509v3 certificates on crypto-enabled smartcards. Participants will interact with the demo through mutually authenticated SSL connections and document signing. For the full text story, see http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=1274540-213 -- Vipul Ved Prakash | - Electronic Security & Crypto vipul(a)pobox.com | - Web Objects 91 11 2233328 | - PERL Development 198 Madhuban IP Extension | - Linux & Open Systems Delhi, INDIA 110 092 | - Networked Multimedia

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