December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

People Who Need People...
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just going through a web service which, when you enter your city & zip, will bring up all the businesses within that geographical area - Leisure Travel Services etc., then further sub-categorized into Leisure: Restaurants (type: Greek, Italian, Chinese, etc.) Travel: Airlines, Hotels & Motels etc. plus further sub-categories. I was mulling over the all the info which can be quickly pulled up about these people and then remembered that these are not just individual persons whose info I'm looking at, but commercial establishments - companies with services & products which they are offering to anyone. So it's okay. (Why?) Because they *want* to be listed; they want information about themselves to be available to anyone (anyone with money to spend, that is). So it occurred to me: when you need money, you want everyone to know where you are.<g> This could be further generalized into: when you need something, you want everyone to know about it (in case anyone has a solution to your plight). What a different consideration it is, to think of persons separately from their place of business or trade, where they don't want anything to be known or broadcast (except at their individual discretion, consent, release, etc.) When you don't need anything - when you're full, satisfied, and happy - you want 'outsiders' to leave you alone. I think some people can really get confused as to where privacy begins and marketing ends (or is it the other way, I get confused <g>). I know it's happened on this list, where arguments have developed over the fine line of difference between contrasting "rights" to information - i.e, while in the workplace vs while in the front yard on the sidewalk of one's own house or walking around at the mall, etc. Allowance, consent, personal prerogatives, authority over one's decisions & choices - these concepts are all going to require much thought and refinement of demarcation, as the line between being closed or open to others, hidden or exposed, a little bit or a lot, here and/or there, becomes finer and finer while the "net" widens and grows. That is, those who in the past have not felt the need to think much about these things will now be confronted with the necessity of doing so; of considering precisely what the fine line of difference is between conflicting ideas about personal authority, privacy, and public access; what they think is right or wrong, acceptable or intolerable, just from the nature of the circumstances. (like Newt, for instance.) .. Blanc

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DCSB: The Internet Consumer -- 1996 in Review & Predictions for1997
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents David Kaufman FIND/SVP Emerging Technologies Research Group "The Internet Consumer -- 1996 in Review & Predictions for 1997" Tuesday, February 4, 1997 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA David is Managing Director of FIND/SVP's Emerging Technologies Research Group with specific responsibility for "The Internet Consumer - Continuous Market Advisory Service". The group provides numerous Fortune 500 companies with detailed research and analysis on behaviors and preferences of Internet consumers. Mr. Kaufman will discuss the Internet as a consumer platform. The growth of the Internet has been getting a lot of press, most of it based on speculation, not research. Although good data is hard to find, it does exist and can be used to approach the Interactive consumer. During 1996 it became true that Internet consumers, who paid for their own access, were one of the fastest growing market segments. Currently, home and small business users are driving the demand for interactive services such as online banking and financial planning. Users also expressed an interest in locating information on such diverse topics as travel, entertainment, parenting, and health. Starting in 1997 consumers will be able to access the net from more numerous locations and in different ways. Internet appliances such as WebTV will allow non-technology users to access the net. As critical mass develops, the net will become impossible to ignore for most marketers. Based on research and some industry insight, Mr. Kaufman will present FIND/SVP's predictions for the Internet Consumer in 1997 and beyond. Prior to joining FIND/SVP's Emerging Technologies Research Group, David was with BIS Strategic Decisions (now GIGA Information Group) at the time it was a division of NYNEX Corporation. He has been employed by Metaphor Computer Systems and XEROX Corporation in the marketing of the first technology products from the Palo Alto Research Center. David is a Graduate of the University of Wisconsin. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, February 4, 1997 from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $27.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men, and "appropriate business attire" for women. We will attempt to record this meeting and put it on the web in RealAudio format at some future date We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, February 1, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston". If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Planned speakers for DCSB are: March Daniel Greenwood The Role of State Government in Digital Commerce April Stewart Baker Encryption Policy and Digital Commerce We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com> . For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . Looking forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Pretty Safe Mail 1.0 iQCVAwUBMtxDivgyLN8bw6ZVAQE49gP+OwzyhPKcYc8r8E4l8RYDUHJvvcPa9XvD UYPZ4CnpkT3Q3Y9IXI573I2zYnI7qXv6nckU+F9GSIH8k2DdItp3YNl6mvf8+vgB 2yFCqHEL82H0kR9+xUIepCwtqZLz8BoO1Ee4KJJZl451KuA2jvAO5+T4P/U2uBHH z8oh9U7F0Dk= =NZD0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox, e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/

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EPIC Drops the Ball on the NewsHour (Was Re: Newt's phone calls)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:34 pm -0500 1/14/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Watch the Lehrer Newhour (or whatever the hell it's >called now) tonight, for instance. Sadly, no. A guy from EPIC, somebody who *should* have known better, did not mention cryptography at all. At least in the part I heard. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox, e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/

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Information is POWER- Get it!
by iiucom＠iiu.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Newt's phone calls
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:02 PM 1/14/97 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: >>>I just caught the news reports of Newt Gingrich's cell phone calls being >>>taped by "a little old retired couple" with a scanner. These were then >>>given to a congressman, who gave them to a newspaper. > >Eavesdropping on cellphones is illegal, since there's an expectation of >privacy. I disagree. Not that cellphone eavesdropping is illegal, it is; I disagree that the REASON it is illegal is some sort of expectation of privacy. And I also disagree that there is any expectation of privacy. If anything, the opposite should be true: Unless a person was (falsely) under the impression that the radio signals were encrypted (which, in itself, requires that a person be technologically-literate enough to be aware of the technical possibility that radio CAN BE encrypted, but also implies knowing that they might not be...) then the very fact that the signals go by radio would imply the possibility of reception by others with reasonably simple radios. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: RSA challenge: is it legal to try?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:47 PM 1/13/97 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: > Presumably the RC5 patent (if one is awarded) won't suffer from >the peculiarities of the international patent schemes which made RSA only >patentable in the US. "Pecularities"? If anything, the peculiarities would have been within _US_ law, and not international law. As I understand it, most people cite the requirement that an invention patent must be applied-for BEFORE disclosure as a requirement for most international patents, which explained by RSA wasn't patented outside of the US. Alone, that would have denied non-US patents to RSA. However, such an explanation grandly ignores the fact that computer software (let alone mathematics in general) was not considered patentable ANYWHERE (?) before public-key systems made their appearance in 1976. It also ignores the strong likelihood that the reason for the Patent-Office policy change (done, apparently, without benefit of a corresponding law change) was because with public-key/RSA there was finally an example of software the government wished to deny to the average citizen, and the only mechanism (short of secrecy, which was broken) to do so was to patent it. I'm still waiting for an "innocent" explanation for the US patent office beginning to issue software patents. I don't think there is one. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Key Revokation Scheme
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi there, I started thinking about the issue, how to set up a system to have somebody else revoke your key for you, if you don't have the means to do so yourself. The possible case I had in mind was, what if you're maybe a dissident, you get arrested and your apartment (incl. disks/keys) gets raided. You don't have any means to revoke the key yourself, don't even have e-mail in general, and with the "one phone call", that your hopefully entitled to, you can't really do much... It might have been discussed before, but here is what I came up with: Peter (the dissident) creates a signed key revokation certificate and a list of the intended recipients for it. He archives the files and then encrypts the archive conventionally. He then sends the encrypted archive file to his trusted friends (or relatives) Alice and Bob, without the passphrase though. (Note: For additional security, the files within the archive may be encrypted with A. and B.'s public keys). Then Peter gives a sealed envelope to his lawyer (or anybody he trusts and who would know, if something happened to him), containing the passphrase and the names of Alice and Bob, incl. their respective phone/fax numbers, e-mail adresses and snail mail adresses with the instruction to notify them if necessary. The lawyer however, does not have the archive itself. Now, in case of an arrest, Peter calls his lawyer (he'd very likely be the first one to know) and thus he knows, that Peter's keys have been compromised. The lawyer now opens the envelope and gets in touch with Alice and Bob, telling them of Peter's misfortune, and he gives them the passphrase for the archive. He also sends them the same information in an encrypted/signed e-mail. (Note: Of course, Alice and Bob have to have the lawyers public key and his key must be signed by Peter and vice versa. Preferably, Alice and Bob have met the lawyer at some point and have verified his key first hand.) Thus they know, it was really Peter's lawyer, who gave them the information, not somebody else, who might have gotten possession of the envelope... Alice and Bob, however, do not immediately send out the revokation certificate, but try to verify the information from the lawyer with independent sources, such as Peter's relatives, friends etc.. Only if one or better both of them (they should be in contact with each other too) has/have enough reason to believe, that Peter is really in trouble and that his keys have been compromised, they decrypt the archive and send his key revokation certificate to the intended recipients (friends, key-servers etc.). Note1: The entire system relies on the trustworthiness of Alice and Bob and their effort, to verify the information, before they send out the revokation certificate. Note2: The described chain of information/verification could go different directions. Even if Peter's mom is the first one to know, she could call Alice and/or Bob and/or his lawyer {...}, who in turn verify the information with others... Note3: As additional backup for the case, that the lawyer can't get in touch with neither Alice nor Bob, he could have the same archive file, encrypted with a different passphrase (which he doesn't know). If he can't talk to Alice or Bob within a reasonable time period (let's say 3 days), Peter could give him the passphrase and so his lawyer himself sends out the revokation certificate. Note4: In case, Peter doesn't even get the one phone call, but happens to be in a country, where one just "disappeares", having his secret keys compromised should be the least of his problems... But even then, chances are, that the word gets out and Alice and Bob could act upon it. Please let me know, if you think, that such a scheme could work (or not work). Also I'd be grateful, if you'd copy replies to my private e-mail adress as well, for I am currently not subscribed to the CP list... Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE * */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! * * */ /* * * */ /* E-mail: harka(a)nycmetro.com * * */ /* * */ /* Finger or E-Mail for PGP public key. * * */ /* Key Size: 2047 / KeyID: 04174301 * * */ /* Fingerprint: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 http://www.eff.org */ /* 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMtsI6zltEBIEF0MBAQHo7wf9GQTU5u72gFVZ0LMr7hhTWSikYVDFvzGF bGopD01j6bq3g9jYQC3YC0pRGfA+y8Q3qDLRbeJ5qMm3iXZgv7Axu2PVeri7ZE7r +GWZjfMk9EFGY1t9Jf2Fnm9mSAV0Cgq02vyhns8fLqTH1jcNuinZZ61Hq1+oSDFs f7/qttsqLZmxeHU+VI/47U0xkuh4NXQk/aZlNUOr9Au9+PhqJwpa7EGYzmCBKTzl pu4QRyjNnvgIuec2wkwVn8uNevvlc/aQB65uU55+NOQnMINl2V4S3lRim9F7gGH+ DV6NiZxmjxCXbX0y4K+33BX1YIwBgYz5EArM1O1j32lOpThIb03jmA== =stfG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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DSS Secret Info
by Gadgets1＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: sendmail-type thing for Windows
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Hi, > > Does anyone know of a simple program for windows that can, like > sendmail, work as a mail agent ans send mail messages from its stdin? I > am interested in sending email messages from Windoze boxes as part of > some automated process driven by .BAT files. > Yeah, exit to dos and run "loadlin". ;-)

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Re: New US regs ban downloadable data-security software
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 14 Jan 1997, Nelson Minar wrote: > shamrock(a)netcom.com (Lucky Green) writes: > > Commercial data security software of any kind, regardless if it uses crypto > > or not, is however prohibited from being distributed via the Internet or > > being exported by any other means. > > I can at least vaguely understand the rationale behind restricting the > export of cryptography. But I don't even begin to comprehend > restricting the export of data security software. What is going on > here? Whose idea is this, what is the agenda? > > Is the US government really prepared to take on all the producers of > virus protection software? Symantec and IBM are pretty big players to > upset. And they don't even have the "drug dealers and terrorists" > bugbear to defend this particular export restriction. > > In my more cynical mood I'm afraid that what's going on is the US > government is trying to protect its capability to wage information > warfare. Could they get away with this? > A cynical person might think that this gives the government one more way to strongarm companies which might sell non-GAK encryption products. "Sure, I can ok the export of your new anti-virus software. Say, how's that crypto plug-in your working on?"

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