December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 3/10/98 7:22 AM, John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) passed this wisdom: >It worth noting that Microsoft and the Justice Department are >perfect twins of technology and law monopolies, using brute force >and contracts to get their way, both clothed in self-righteousness >and both led by charming weirdos, both totally obsessed with each >their own mad view of law and technology in the "public interest." John, would you really refer to Janet Reno as a 'charming weirdo'???? I can think of lost of names, epithets, and descriptions, but that surely would be far down my list.

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Re: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brian Riley wrote: >On 3/10/98 7:22 AM, John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) passed this wisdom: > John, would you really refer to Janet Reno as a 'charming weirdo'???? I >can think of lost of names, epithets, and descriptions, but that surely >would be far down my list. Brian, that post was a feeble one-time attempt to write straight prose, uninflected, unaccusatory, undiabolical, un-nuts, un-understandable. It took days of agony to arrive at empty perfection, to say nothing with crystal clear aplomb, foreign policy piquant, transparent balderdash cover-up of bald-face lies delivered deadpan grammatically. I been studying James Rubin's disarmingly weird repartee at the State Department press conferences. Today he asked a reporter to define "who's got the con" for foreign policy. (Laughter, the transcript hooted.) "Charming weirdo" is the Secretary of State's and Rubin's demonic auto-epithet for her, emulating homicidal Maggie Thatcher hiding her demure will to slaughter. Swear to god this is the last time I'll try to ape well-mannered civil discourse. You got the con: It's too sicko wacko. Back to incoherent snarl of ignorant brutes chewing leg off for freedom.

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Re: Dr. Dimentos Tentacles
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

bill.stewart(a)pobox.com wrote: > > Guy -- > First you and Vulis flame each others, and then > you start claiming that VZNuri's postings are really Vulis, > and now you're claiming that postings from Toto's machines > are really Vulis. Perhaps *you're* really Vulis? Bill Frantz is *really* Vulis. Bill Stewart is *really* Toto. Both are charter members, along with Bill Clinton and Bill Gates, of a secret society of people named Bill who plan to form a new world government and declare the Buffalo Bills to be the real Superbowl Champions by an act of legislation. I am truly amazed that a seemingly intelligent group of individuals such as the CypherPunks cannot see the blatantly obvious connections between the Bills and the TMs who are warring for control of our minds. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:.T:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Forge What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 3/10/98 10:45 PM, John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) passed this wisdom: >Brian Riley wrote: >>On 3/10/98 7:22 AM, John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) passed this wisdom: > >> John, would you really refer to Janet Reno as a 'charming weirdo'???? I >>can think of lost of names, epithets, and descriptions, but that surely >>would be far down my list. > >Brian, that post was a feeble one-time attempt to write straight prose, >uninflected, unaccusatory, undiabolical, un-nuts, un-understandable. > >It took days of agony to arrive at empty perfection, to say nothing with >crystal clear aplomb, foreign policy piquant, transparent balderdash >cover-up of bald-face lies delivered deadpan grammatically. > >I been studying James Rubin's disarmingly weird repartee at the State >Department press conferences. Today he asked a reporter to define >"who's got the con" for foreign policy. (Laughter, the transcript hooted.) > >"Charming weirdo" is the Secretary of State's and Rubin's demonic >auto-epithet for her, emulating homicidal Maggie Thatcher hiding her >demure will to slaughter. > >Swear to god this is the last time I'll try to ape well-mannered civil >discourse. You got the con: It's too sicko wacko. Back to incoherent >snarl of ignorant brutes chewing leg off for freedom. ROFLAAMAIBGFOT37thFOAOBDTADW: rollin on floor laffing almost as much as if Bill Gates fell out the 37th floor of an office building due to a defective window.

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17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by yoji fujita 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Information From The Microsoft Personal Information Center
by mscompia＠microsoft.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is your password you requested from the Microsoft Personal Information Center at http://register.microsoft.com/regwiz/personalinfo.asp. Password: cypherpunks If you continue to have access problems or want to report other issues, please contact us through the Write Us button at the top of any Microsoft page.

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emailed prez. death threat conviction
by David Honig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://biz.yahoo.com/upi/98/03/11/general_news/usclinton_2.html Wednesday March 11 5:39 AM EST Teen convicted of Clinton e-mail threats MIDLAND, Mich., March 11 (UPI) _ A 17-year-old high school honors student faces jail after being convicted of sending e-mail death threats to President Clinton. Heidi Sullivan of Midland, Mich., was sentenced Tuesday to eight days in jail and two years probation for sending threats to the White House in January from a computer at Midland High School. Midland County Probation Officer Tom Adams says Sullivan could have received 20 years for threatening the president, but probably got the reduced sentence because of her family's history. [...] ..................... In other news President Might Go Under Knife WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sorry, Bill, it's for your own good. After consulting with his proctologist -- and hearing an appeal in favor of neutering from actress Doris Day -- First Lady Hillary Clinton has decided on the procedure for the President. But the reluctant First Lady reserved the right to change her mind. In announcing Hillary's decision Tuesday, White House spokesman Barry Toiv said Mrs. Clinton was ``inclined'' to allow the procedure. The National Organization of Women, the nation's largest women's rights group, applauded the First Lady's decision, saying she was doing the right thing. ``Neutering or spaying politicians is one of the most important acts a responsible society can take,'' said Martha Armstrong, a society vice president. ``It promotes better physical and behavioral health, and it helps to address the ubiquitous sexual misconduct crises.'' Hillary set no immediate date for putting her husband under the knife, leaving some to wonder whether the 50 year old former Arkansas governor has been told of his fate. ``Bill's a little too young to understand,'' Toiv said. Indeed, the President seemed blissfully unaware of any pending surgery as he played fetch with Buddy, the first dog, on the South Lawn with a green tennis ball Tuesday. White House press secretary Mike McCurry said today the procedure was ``not likely anytime soon given the dispositions and pending indictments.'' Toiv said Mrs. Clinton's decision was driven by concerns for her husband's health. She denied that it was motivated by the encounters Bill has had with Socks the family cat and various White House staff and interns. Dr. Jacqueline Suarez, a proctologist with the Alexandria (Va.) Army Hospital, said neutering can help curb politicians' aggression toward other politicians and tendency to fornicate in unwelcome places. ``Although, if we have people questioning if they should or shouldn't, those health reasons are good reasons to neuter as well, so we'll use them as part of the case for neutering,'' Suarez said. Miss Day, president of the Doris Day Humanitarian League, sent Clinton a letter in December expressing concern that the nation would suffer if he were left intact. Among them was a risk of impeachment in addition to testicular cancer and prostate infections that could lead to problems with urination. In January, McCurry said there were no plans to neuter the President, who had moved into the White House in 1993. However, Clinton physician Connie Mariano has now told Miss Day in a letter that Mrs. Clinton had decided to neuter the president on the advice of White House advisor James Carville. Armstrong said that politicians need not worry about losing their procreative abilities. ``Politicians don't have a real concept of identity or ego. Its all drive for power. Neutering a politician or justice department official will not change his basic personality,'' she said. ``They don't suffer any kind of emotional reaction or identity crisis when neutered.'' Got that, Mr. President? original at http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpwh1z.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ David Honig Orbit Technology honig(a)otc.net Intaanetto Jigyoubu Beat your algorithms into swords and your virtual machines into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

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Re: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 3/11/98 2:39 PM, Toto (toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca) passed this wisdom: >Brian B. Riley wrote: >> >> On 3/10/98 10:45 PM, John Young (jya(a)pipeline.com) passed this wisdom: >> >Swear to god this is the last time I'll try to ape well-mannered civil >> >discourse. You got the con: It's too sicko wacko. Back to incoherent >> >snarl of ignorant brutes chewing leg off for freedom. >> >> ROFLAAMAIBGFOT37thFOAOBDTADW: rollin on floor laffing almost as >> much as if Bill Gates fell out the 37th floor of an office building due >> to a defective window. > >Hey, asshole! >Thanks for telling *everyone* about our plan... >Now I have to contact Blanc Weber and Jeff Sandquist and tell >them we have to come up with a new scheme. >And *this* time, we're not telling *you* about it! > >Otot >~~~~ I guess I now can consider myself a part of the list. I am have officially and publically been called an asshole by Toto ... the waitng has been killing me!

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Re: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
by Dave Emery 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, Mar 11, 1998 at 10:31:09AM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: > -- > > The Cato institute has done studies on comparative > remuneration which shows approximately double the salaries, > accompanied by vastly more security and power. > > At the bottom end, bus drivers and prison guards, this is > strikingly obvious. A muni bus driver makes about as much as > senior engineer in Silicon valley. > At the risk of an irrelevant and stupid digression from the topic of the threat, Is this really true ? The technical people I know who work for the government seem to get salaries that would be low in industry for someone with that background. And I'd be surprised that bus drivers out in silicon valley were really making the $60-95K that ordinary senior engineers designing bus drivers make around here (the NE). If they are, they are getting lots more than other municipal employees such as school teachers with masters degrees. (In fact, I've heard that demand had recently driven salaries in the valley way up and maybe my numbers for engineers are low, especially for software engineers.) There is, of course, that nasty law that classifies engineers as exempt professionals but allows companies to treat them as just cannon fodder workers stuffed into cubicles and treated with little of the respect the term professional would suggest - to be forced to work large amounts of completely uncompensated overtime. Bus drivers (non exempt) do get paid for every minute they are on the job, and many times work schedules are deliberately arranged to guarantee significant amounts of overtime at time and a half, so many bus drivers actually make a significant multiple of their nominal salary for the same hours engineers get base salary and no more. But I do think that Prof. Froomkin is right that a lot of top managers and legal types and others in government whose private sector equivalents get huge salaries do work at a considerable loss. Salaries for top of the heap government employees such as judges and managers of large departments with budgets in the tens or hundreds of millions rarely get more than $150K, whereas similar people would get much more in the private sector. Of course the job security differences are vast, and government workers are one of the very few classes of workers left in the economy who have any actual job security long term at all. -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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