December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Unmetered Net Usage
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:20 PM 8/11/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: > >Will "unmetered" usage go away? It depends on a lot of factors. Right now, >unmetered usage is a big enough marketing draw that it appears to >outcompete metered usage plans. Sure, there are people like me who pay a >flat rate (in my case, $20/month) and yet who are on for several hours a >day. But the subscribers who also pay the $20/mo and yet who are on only >briefly to check their mail are not clamoring to switch to metered usage. > >If Internet telephony becomes a big deal, I still suspect unmetered usage >will be common. If the capacity isn't there, from the ISP through the >various links to the other person's ISP then there will be stalls and >delays. Think of it as evolution in action, like crowded freeways. We need to consider separately costs of unmetered access to the ISP, and unmetered access to the Internet. I expect that the main reason for these limited-time plans have little to do with Internet traffic, and a lot to do with local phone link limits. One big cost for at least small ISPs is local telephone lines. Due to the "infinite wisdom" of rate commissions, business-line charges are substantially higher than residential. (and ISP's are businesses...) A person who uses 6 hours per day of connection to his ISP is occupying at least 1/4th of the capacity of one phone line, and given typical circadian usage patterns, in practice he's using 1/3rd or more. If the ISP's cost for that telephone line is $30 per month, then that user must be charged $10 per month for this service just to cover this cost. That customer, however, might only be using a rather tiny fraction of the ISP's actual Internet-line capacity, except possibly when his Internet telephone is operating. Also, the customer isn't inclined to occupy his own telephone for this length of time, either, especially if he has only one line. So it seems to me that within 5 years or so, there ought to be a powerful incentive to wire up apartment complexes and business parks with alternative Internet/Internet-telephone connections, ones which bypass the phoneco for at least the first few hundred feet. This, possibly in concert with a ISDN-driving concentrator or a cable-modem, should reduce the cost of the customer-to-the-ISP line to a very low value. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: [off-topic] Re: US Power Outages
by Dave Farber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I dnt have the reference handy bit IEEE Spectrum published in about May 66 a real good description of why the Great Northeast Blackout happened.

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Netscape US betas lagging...
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The international version is 3.0b7. The export-controlled version on wwwus is two revisions and almost a month behind at 3.0b5. Have y'all simply not had time/inclination to recompile the 128-bit version with the latest patches, or is there some sort of trouble brewing? - -rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMg7ft5NcNyVVy0jxAQGLNAIAwf9BqKx+kHjfN/4YRfjHhXsqv8S6qbQ2 DiotNQxH/rrauDWOzh5TaTTgUp+0syzWKIvQtXUZC1+9JduWK39d6w== =W2nf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Rumors of death of Anguilla Data are greatly exagerated.
by an584514＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vince says: > And Anguilla is first and foremost a taxhaven. But it tries hard to be a > very clean taxhaven (does not want drug money etc). I think that "clean" > corporations operating here tax free is a potentially huge market. This is an illusion. There ain't no such thing as a clean corporation operating in a clean tax haven. Every overseas corp that is doing something they can't do without interference back onshore, is running the gauntlet. Remember, its my moral choice as to whether its dirty, and if I am sitting in some Washington quango office, and I decide its dirty, then it is. Plus its my job to fight it, and I'm not afraid of a dirty fight. And I got a list of contacts who've got friends who've got favours to call in... But you must know this, don't you follow the machinations that USG pulls in the region to try and close down the arbitrages? > Anguilla and OIS are not the data haven of cypherpunks wet dreams. Neither > Anguilla nor I want "hit men for hire" advertising here. Sorry Tim. And I > think the loss in clean business would outweigh any money from such by a > long shot. Nobody's talking about things that every body agrees are no-go. Shooting people is generally considered not acceptable. So please don't change the subject. What we are talking about is a fairly harmless concept. An obviously "fake" passport that is designed to fool the supposedly ignorant peasant terrorist when they wave grenades on the some flight from Miami, now going to Havana. It's a laughable concept, and one that most western governments have sniffed at and not lifted one finger to even warn about. OK, so there is a chance that a dumb clerk in a bank could be fooled. Still, opening a bank account with such a person could be done any number of ways. It's equally possible to imagine the Honduras passport being used to escape some sudaka warzone, without being shot for a gringo. Remember PGP? It was used for liberty, crime and freedom, all at once. > One simple example is that OIS was given a project Gutenberg CD-ROM and > may sell online copies of old books. Some countries are extending > copyrights back further into the past. Anguilla is not. So we could sell > books that have expired copyrights in Anguilla but not expired in USA etc. > Think regulatory arbitrage. Crap. It's obvious what book your talking about, if you get Europeans down there. It's about as harmless, or harmful, as "kill the Queen" rants, again its my moral choice. If a phone call from your lawyer causes such good responses, then there is no problem about getting this one made out-of-stock. Do you have a lot of tourists then from *that* place? What's the GDP take for the holiday trade anyway? > Taxhavens are a huge and well understood market. Datahavens are still > new. Not counting gambling, they may only be $0/year rounded to the > nearest million. The distinction is irrelevant. What are you going to do to protect my business? Now I know. SFA. I may be asking you for data protection, but my profits, which (might) pay you, come from a long line of other businesses. We're not all geeks. Tim makes good points, especially as he is not (as far as I can see) in the trade. When my company does business with such a jurisdiction, we look for the list of things allowed and the list of no-nos (which we respect). Then we look at the history of how that country stand up to its word. One thing is what they say, then another is what they do. It's surprising how easy it is to see just how much a place really wants your business for the long run. I will say this, it ain't really your fault that this happened. The webshop was too bright, too blatent. He talked to toublesome scam reporters. That sort of thing is going to bring in trouble. Softly softly catchee monkey is what is needed. Then when the phone rang my guess is it all happened to quickly. You win some you lose some. Lets not make a bad story get worse. Even though this is not a happy post (Anguilla was on our list) we still would like you to suceed. Our advice, worth what you paid, is don't advertise this event, one bad storm doesnt sink a ship. Take a look at all your webpages and tone down the noisy ones. Tell them to camoflage their location, no pun intended. Then, get down to your lawyers office and sit down over a beer and work out how your going to handle this thing next time. Properly. Publish (quietly but definatively) your list of no-nos (ok, that's already said). Think about what new shops want to do and talk it over with your man down at the bar (so you can predict the attacks). Learn some negotiating skills, soften the blow from both ends. Nothing I'm sure you hadn't thought of. Cheers, sorry for anonymity, but as I say, its softly softly in this game. Wish you luck. --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. Please, report inappropriate use to abuse(a)anon.penet.fi For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help(a)anon.penet.fi If you have any problems, address them to admin(a)anon.penet.fi

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Anguilla / taxbomber - legality
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I meant to quote this part in the previous post: taxbomber: >Needless to say, we have NEVER EVER dealt in one single fake >passport, nor have we ever offered, sold or brokered any forged, >stolen or "lost" documents. Nor is there any need to do so, if you can >get the real thing absolutely legally. He was definately selling fake passports. He thinks of them as camouflage. If I look up fake in websters, they fit the definition. Turns out this is not legal in Anguilla. If it is no longer in his web page, you can see quotes from his web page in the David Evans article. The Internet spans many counties and if something is not legal in one country but legal in another, someone can move. He has moved. One of the exciting things about the Internet. If there are taxes in your country and banks cooperate with the government, you can incorporate in Anguilla, put your web site here, and run your business from here (coming in over the Internet) tax free. But fraud is illegal in Anguilla, and fake passports are concidered fraud. -- Vince http://online.offshore.com.ai/

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FCC_ups
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

8-10-96. WaPo: "Phone Service Via the Internet May Slash Rates." Labs of Advanced Technology has developed a way for people to make long-distance calls over the Internet using only their telephones, at about half the price of ordinary toll calls. Customers would merely call a central number, then dial their long-distance numbers. The call is carried on the Internet, then put back onto the local phone system at its destination. The company plans to charge 5 to 8 cents per minute for all domestic U.S. calls, which represents a 50 to 75 percent discount off most domestic long-distance rates. International rates would depend on arrangements made with foreign phone companies. "Twenty years from now, and probably sooner, I don't see the giants of the telecommunications industry existing anymore," said the company's president. The giants hoot, "FCC, PACs, whack him." "PCs and the Postal Service Challenge the Mailroom Reign of Pitney Bowes" New technology has made it possible for IBM, Bell Atlantic and National Semiconductor to start prowling around postage meters, which account for $20 billion a year in postage. With a telephone line to the post office and some fancy computer software, a "stamp" could spin out of the printer at the same time the envelope is being addressed. Computer-generated envelopes will not only have addresses and stamps, but also a bar code that can quickly be read by a computer to hasten delivery. Distinctive stamps called indicia carry a specially encrypted numerical code that Pitney Bowes believes the Postal Service should adopt to prevent counterfeiting. ----- http://jya.com/fccups.txt (22 kb) via: www.anonymizer.com FCC_ups

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Re: National Socio-Economic Security Need for Encryption Technology
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:12 PM 8/16/96, Bart Croughs wrote: >I have thought a bit more about the question I asked a couple of days ago: >how can you proof that investment of American capital abroad wouldn't >lower the standard of living in the US? So far, I didn't receive a >convincing answer to this question. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I may >have a proof. It's a so-called 'reductio ad absurdum'. It goes like this: ...["proof" elided]... (By the way, Bart, the verb form is "prove," the noun form is "proof") Others have shown how meaningless your repeated calls for a proof are, as so many assumptions must be carefully spelled out. To give an example of how hard the situation is to analyze, consider the computer and chip industries. (If you argue that your "theorem" is for nations in the aggregate, and not any particular companies or even industries, then I will maintain that my example holds pretty much true for automobiles, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, and so on._ The computer and chip industries move certain investments abroad, to Malaysia, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Mexico, and so forth. But by moving these investments abroad, they believe their net market size, profitability, shareholder value, etc., will be enhanced. Else they wouldn't do it. Multiply this by all the industries.... Now, would "the economy" be "better off" if Intel, say, had not moved assembly operations to Malaysia in the 1970s? Perhaps Intel would now be bankrupt and gone, as so many of its rivals of the time are now gone and barely remembered. You see the problem? Who can say what "better off" is, given that we can't run history down alternate paths as an experiment. Your one-track mind is truly astounding. We've had kooks and oddballs on the list before, but never one who has written a dozen or more posts asking the same ill-phrased question over and over again. Give it up. Move on to something else. Or at least take your problem to another list. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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forthcoming book on privacy
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re:NT remailer
by shamrock＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:08 8/16/96, rednax wrote: >Speaking of NT, I downloaded the full version of msie 3.0 the other day but >when I tried installing it, an error message came up saying that it requires >a Win95 or WinNT4.0 build of 1381 or higher. I am currently running NT 4.0b >that has a build of 1314, does anyone know of where is the upgrade or >service packs(if available)? I have tried looking around microsoft.com, but >they neither provided any detail nor did they provide an e-mail. USENET? Just a thought, -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Defeat the Demopublican Unity Party. Vote no on Clinton/Dole in November. Vote Harry Browne for President.

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