December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Netscape download requirements
by Cerridwyn Llewyellyn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>If they disagree with what Congress and the administration have done, there >are well-established ways to petition Congress to change it. If they fail, >t.s.--that's the way our system works. YOU don't get to force your will on >the wider population, nor do YOU get to tell them that they are poor >benighted fools who should agree with YOUR views on civil liberties. To >assert otherwise is fascism, authoritarianism, dictatorship, pick one. I don't think that demanding more liberty can in any way fall into any of those three categories. What happened to protecting a minorities Rights from the Majority? Simply because a majority decided they should take away my Rights (in this case to encryption, and for the sake of argument, I will concede for the moment that a majority actually did decide this) doesn't mean they should be taken away. This is what the Constitution and other founding documents are designed to protect us against. Saying "I have the Right to give encryption to anyone I want" is not forcing my will on the wider population, it is an attempt to keep the wider population from forcing their un-Constitutional will on me. //cerridwyn//

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RE: ABC news on Internet Telephony
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:54 PM 7/18/96 -0700, you wrote: --- all the following points are based on swiss circumstances, they may not apply to US --- >point to point circuits are more efficiently handled by circuit >switching rather than packet switching networks. Nicholas >Negroponte wrote an interesting piece about asynchronous vs >synchronous, I believe it is in his book "Being Digital." Well, from a users point of view, sending packet data over a packet mode bearer service is more efficient (and cheaper). An interesting developement in this direction is the PMBS-A/B modes of ISDN (packet switching to the public switch). The existance of this service suggests its usability. >ADSL is an interesting attempt at digital telephony but expensive >and basically would mean replacing existing central office >switches. (backbone bandwidth) We have a well developed DQDB-MAN and ATM net around, and bandwidth is available (and getting cheaper by the minute). Currently, a onetime investment of around $2500 per client is necessary to provide >5MBit/s transfer volume (via the cable TV networks or the existing broadband networks) >In a packet network you have to either dedicate a portion of the >bandwidth for a synchronous circuit, or you have to have a very >fast network and use very small packets (ATM), expensive either >way. Not if you have a dedicated packet switching network for asynchronous packet transfer only. If you use it for both you don't have to have a very fast network, you have to have a network with predictable and constant packet delay. (that's not the same as fast!) >A single central office has many times the bandwidth of the widest >part of the internet, and the average state has hundreds of CO's. >If even a small portion of the Internets current users tried >placing a call things would grind to a halt. A huge increase in the >number of backbones and their bandwidth would solve this, but who >will pay the bill? I guess Internet-telephony is one of the bandwidth killers. >TANSTAAFL > >Sometime ago the discussion was on the cost of laying new fiber, >may I suggest the realworld heuristic of "a million dollars a >mile." There are of course a lot of alternatives: - Existing wiring (5 MBit/s over 6 copper wires is possible) - Usage of the cable networks - Radio transmissions (RITL - radio in the loop) - Satellite transmissions >Please note I am not trying to make fun of anyone personnally, I am >in the words of Jubal Harshaw "heaping scorn upon an inexcuseably >silly idea, a practice I shall always follow." Neither am I, but isn't anyone? ----------< fate favors the prepared mind >---------- Remo Pini Fon 1: +41 1 350 28 82 mailto:rp@rpini.com Fon 2: +41 1 465 31 90 http://www.rpini.com/remopini/ Fax: +41 1 350 28 84 soon:PGP: http://www.rpini.com/remopini/rpcrypto.html --------< words are what reality is made of >--------

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Info War
by EVERHART＠Arisia.GCE.Com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If the government should happen to be serious about wanting to prevent some possible info war scenarios, one might expect a number of things to be seen. * I'd expect that there would be at least some statements about the unwisdom of standardizing on MS operating systems or unix versions which have little or no security, building an infrastructure with security holes one can drive a truck through. * I'd also expect that the anti-crypto campaign to be at least scaled WAY down, so as to encourage more open use of crypto components in security solutions. (Crypto won't help if your OS comes with a backdoor that allows anyone on the Internet to get r/w access to your disks...this has been reported to me in all Microsoft OSs they currently have, though with NT it's under certain common but not completely ubiquitous circumstances. The others are wide WIDE open. Other bugs doubtless exist. * I'd expect some comments on the automatic running of downloaded images and how to secure them. Java? Reported at Princeton to be totally unsecurable....no models exist. I believe you can run the thing securely, but by having some security in its environment., I'd expect a lot more about what is needed, and where it can be found, encouraging development of such features. If on the other hand this is a ploy to justify violating people's privacy and in fact is not concerned with improving our posture, I would expect more Clipper chips, etc., and nothing seriously beneficial. (I consider that freedom of speech & the press means that I can choose not only what to say, but how to say it. If I use a language (crypto) that is hard for some not spoken to to understand, I regard this as an essential part of the freedom. Last I looked, this is still written. (BTW, if you think that the Supreme Court is supposed to be the arbiter of constitutionality, your reading of Marbury vs. Madison is seriously flawed. Congress and the President (& other federal employees) take an oath of office and are supposed to be deciding that what they do is Constitutional before doing it. Alas that they generally don't take this seriously...) We'll see what actually happens. I'd like to hope for the real effort to avoid problems. I fear we will get the bogus one, suitable for control freaks but not useful ultimately in dealing with the threats. Glenn Everhart

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INFO: Submit your testimony to Congress for hearings on July 25!
by Voters Telecommunications Watch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

============================================================================= ____ _ _ _ / ___|_ __ _ _ _ __ | |_ ___ | \ | | _____ _____ | | | '__| | | | '_ \| __/ _ \ _____| \| |/ _ \ \ /\ / / __| | |___| | | |_| | |_) | || (_) |_____| |\ | __/\ V V /\__ \ \____|_| \__, | .__/ \__\___/ |_| \_|\___| \_/\_/ |___/ |___/|_| Virtually attend the upcoming hearings on July 25, 1996 Submit your own testimony Listen to the RealAudio cybercast Ask Louis Freeh a question (FBI) Date: July 20, 1996 URL:http://www.crypto.com/ crypto-news(a)panix.com If you redistribute this, please do so in its entirety, with the banner intact. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of Contents Upcoming hearing information How to receive crypto-news Press contacts ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPCOMING HEARING INFORMATION The Senate Commerce committee will be holding hearings on the Burns/Leahy Pro-CODE bill (S.1726) this Thursday July 25, 1996 in Washington D.C. Like most everyone that doesn't live in Washington, you can't be there in the flesh. But you can be there virtually through www.crypto.com! A RealAudio cybercast of the hearing is being coordinated by Jonah Seiger (CDT). If you have the RealAudio software (it's free from www.realaudio.com) you can listen to the hearing live. You can also telnet into the chat room and pose questions to the staffers who will be online. If you wish to make your voice heard, take a moment and submit your own written testimony through the web page at http://www.crypto.com. When you submit your testimony, you can also submit a question for FBI Director Louis Freeh who is scheduled to testify. We'll provide a copy of the questions to the committee members, and urge them to pin down Director Freeh on some of the finer points of the issue. This is an amazing time for democracy. Never before have American citizens been able to have so much representation in the halls of Congress without actually being physically there. Don't let this debate go on without your input! A complete profile of the cybercast and the net-presence effort is available at http://www.crypto.com/ until the hearing, and at http://www.crypto.com/events/ after that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO RECEIVE CRYPTO-NEWS To subscribe to crypto-news, sign up from our WWW page (http://www.crypto.com) or send mail to majordomo(a)panix.com with "subscribe crypto-news" in the body of the message. To unsubscribe, send a letter to majordomo(a)panix.com with "unsubscribe crypto-news" in the body. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRESS CONTACT INFORMATION Press inquiries on Crypto-News should be directed to Shabbir J. Safdar (VTW) at +1.718.596.2851 or shabbir(a)vtw.org Jonah Seiger (CDT) at +1.202.637.9800 or jseiger(a)cdt.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- End crypto-news =============================================================================

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Re: Viacrypt PGP version 4.0
by Erle Greer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:46 PM 7/20/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, Erle Greer wrote: > >> Is there a free/trial/steal/shareware version of Viacrypt PGP Personal >> version 4.0, rather than forking over $129.00? >> >My company sells it for $100, if you want the full version with the book >and everything. > >Joseph Seanor > That sounds like an excellent deal when I plan to purchase it, but I would like to see if there is a crippleware demo first. I already have had 2.6.2 configured with a Windows clipboard utility. I just want to see if the full Win/integrated clipboard feature is more efficient. Thanks Joseph! P.S. I am also erleg(a)sdinter.net, but Majordomo won't unsubscribe me because I don't seem to be on the 'who cypherpunks' list, but my old address is still mysteriously reeiving the list. Any hints? Yes, I wrote owner-cypherpunks with no reply. TIA! /---\ |=================================================| / /\/ \ |If a train station is where a train stops | \ \ / |then what is a workstation? | \ \ / |-------------------------------------------------| /\ |/| /\ |I am not saying that there are no gods; | / \ |\| / \ |just that I haven't had the pleasure to meet one.| / \|/|/ \ |-------------------------------------------------| --------\-------- |Disclaimer: My opinions never reflect that of my | / |employer. | \ |=================================================| v |Please CC: responses via E-Mail; I seldom check | |the newsgroups for responses. | |=================================================| | mailto:vagab0nd@sd.cybernex.net | | http://ww2.sd.cybernex.net/~vagab0nd/index.html | | If you think my Sig is big... | |=================================================|

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Crypto '96 reminder -- register if you haven't!
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you haven't already registered for Crypto '96, you're late! But there's probably still time. They no longer guarantee that they will have space for you, but if they do, you'll get in. See http://www.iacr.org for details. It costs about $640 plus plane fare to attend ($420 conference registration, $220 for dorm space and meals). Plus transportation there and back. It's in a beautiful location at UC Santa Barbara, right next to the beach. The weather, food, and discussions are always good, and it's a great way to meet good cryptographers and discuss the future privacy and security of the world. If the papers look too complicated for you, relax; they're cryptic for academic bureacratic reasons. The actual presentations by their authors are quite well explained, and are often lively and entertaining. If you're doing something interesting with crypto, submit a note for the "rump session", short informal talks about work in progress, which will happen on Tuesday evening during the conference. I hope to be speaking there about my latest crypto projects. John Gilmore

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Re: [Noise] was Re: Giving 6 year old kids [guns]
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- After a conversation with a well-respected cypherpunk in private email, I have been convinced to reveal publicly that at age 6 [first grade] I had access to a .22 semiautomatic rifle and a 12GA shotgun, with good safety instruction and accuracy in each (though the 12GA's kick took a bit of getting-used-to). I was instructed to shoot any burglar, and I feel lucky that we never had any. The thought of taking these (or any!) guns to school _never_ entered my mind. I drove a car (on private land) when I was only a bit older. There are certain 6 year olds who are quite capable of taking proper responsibility with firearms, and there are also certain 26 year olds who probably should reconsider gun ownership. That's life. The reason I posted this non-cryptography stuff (sorry, Perry!) here is that many non-US citizens may not understand the strong "gun culture," (which is actually more a gun-safety culture, IMO) in this country. Gun-grabber-hypocrites like syndicated columnist Carl Rowan are provably the *least* safe gun owners, and the evidence also proves beyond any doubt the good old bumper-sticker saying: "Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun." [Any replies to private e-mail, please.] JMR Regards, Jim Ray -- DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy "It is long past time to end the laughable presumption that voters who can easily cope with the choices offered at Burger King are somehow 'confused' by more than two choices at the voting booth." -- me, in the Miami Herald, June 24, 1996, p. 10A. Defeat the Duopoly! Vote "NOTA," not Slick/Dull in November. Harry Browne for President. Jo Jorgensen for Vice-president. http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ ___________________________________________________________________ PGP id.E9BD6D35 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 <mailto:liberty@gate.net> http://www.shopmiami.com/prs/jimray Coming soon, the "Pennies For Perot" page. Keep billionaires off welfare! ___________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Freedom isn't Freeh. iQCVAwUBMfGbIm1lp8bpvW01AQG0fgP+LWV9lprYEWahaIhsyLHvMSnc6fjbpDF+ eeTac9Wb1+j78KzT8zxpmnw7I5/nuVZqJRFkZCSjKIclWf2/uzxbi+vRLwf7HWgn iIrnZgv3ozmYZUfCoYx31PbpjT0JYUTxsDvPO+TGwQYuLeYwBH865V3JAXGc7FDO KFB49zbWvnE= =GHZ8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Responding to Pre-dawn Unannounced Ninja Raids
by Arun Mehta 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:10 20/07/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >By "you," I have to presume you mean "me." No, I am not at likely to use >this weapon in a rage against a loved one. Trust me. This was not intended to suggest how "you" might behave, I don't know you that well, it would have been less confusing for me to have used the pronoun "one." >It may sound "stupid" to you...I suggest you read up on evolutionary game >theory. Sometimes one has no choice but to respond to an arms buildup. >Unilateral disarmament rarely works. There are surely alternatives to the extremes of unilateral disarmament and an arms race? For instance, slowing down the race? More often than not, it is the US that has upped the ante. They consistently had more nuclear warheads than the Soviet Union, new technologies that disrupted the status quo came generally from the West. Arun Mehta Phone +91-11-6841172, 6849103 amehta(a)cpsr.org http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta/ finger amehta(a)cerfnet.com for public key

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Re: Snake Oil FAQ
by Jean-Paul Kroepfli 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Very good idea, and nice implemantation of the idea. Please, let us know of the new version. Would be a minimal information about cyphering vs scrambling, secret vs public key system, useful for the newbies and not redondant with the large classical FAQ. Best regards, Jean-Paul ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Jean-Paul et Micheline Kroepfli (our son: Nicolas and daughter: Celine) eMail: JeanPaul.Kroepfli(a)utopia.fnet.fr Also Compuserve and MSNetwork Phone: +33 81 55 52 59 (F) PostMail: F-25640 Breconchaux (France) or: +41 21 843 27 36 (CH) or: CP 138, CH-1337 Vallorbe Fax: +33 81 55 52 62 (Switzerland) Zephyr(r) : InterNet Communication and Commerce, Security and Cryptography consulting PGP Fingerprint : 19 FB 67 EA 20 70 53 89 AF B2 5C 7F 02 1F CA 8F "The InterNet is the most open standard since air for breathing"

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Re: pledge status
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 20 Jul 96 23:12:20 -0800, alanh(a)infi.net wrote: >One recalls the Russian novelist (can't think of his name, the one who >wrote _Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch_), who stated that if even 1% Solzhenitsyn? (Spelling may be wrong) Very good, BTW. >of all of the Cheka/KGB's arrest-in-the-middle-of-the-night victims had >put up some resistance, and maybe have killed a Chekist before being >gunned down..... the whole damn system of Stalinist terror would have >unraveled, from the lack of police willingness to die for the greater >glory of Mr Stalin. >I think this has > relevance to the >black-ninjas-pretending-that-they're-in-a-Hollywood-script thread about >cops making unanounced search warrant services at 4am. > >I have tremendous admiration for my local LEO's. It's the federales that >are the problem, usually. I'm thinking of Waco, where, I've heard, more experienced SWAT-types tried to talk their bosses out of a certain infamous mistake... // Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> - Webpages for sale! Se habla JavaScript! // Automatically receive my resume or PGPKEY by sending email with a subject // of 'send PGPKEY' or 'send resume'. Capitalization counts so be careful!

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