December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Moviepunks
by Chris Adams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 4 Jul 96 20:44:14 -0800, frissell(a)panix.com wrote: >"Somehow, I doubt William Jefferson Blythe Clinton would fly an F-15 against >a monster alien craft." He'd wait to finish shredding those files before leaving... // Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> - Webpages for sale! Se habla JavaScript! // Automatically receive my resume or PGPKEY by sending email with a subject // of 'send PGPKEY' or 'send resume'. Capitalization counts so be careful!

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Eric Hughes at EF Forum
by jonl＠well.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunk/cryptographer Eric Hughes will join yours truly at this week's Electronic Frontiers Forum, Thursday, 6PM Pacific Daylight Time. javachat at http://talk.wired.com or telnet to talk.wired.com -- Jon Lebkowsky <jonl(a)hotwired.com> http://www.well.com/~jonl Electronic Frontiers Forum, 6PM PDT Thursdays <http://www.hotwired.com/eff>

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by mike＠fionn.lbl.gov 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Jul 9, 12:02pm, Mike Duvos wrote: > If we have safe and effective medications which increase > alertness in the school and in the workplace, why shouldn't > everyone be able to take them in small doses as the need arises? So? I hate to be flip, but is there a coffee shortage in your area? Stimulants don't have the same effect on everybody. "Normal" people who take stimulants tend to act a lot like untreated hyperactives: jittery, unfocussed, irritable. Your point about long term use is well taken, many people find the positive effects wear down after a while. Sometimes this is alrite, because in the meantime they have been able to learn coping strategies they were unable to learn before. Sometimes it is not alrite, because their problems are too severe, & they need other treatment.

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New type2.list/pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello again Everyone! I have just updated the type2.list/pubring.mix combination on jpunix.com to reflect middleman coming out of the closet. as well as the new key for mixmaster(a)alpha.c2.org. The files are available by FTP from ftp.jpunix.com and by WWW from www.jpunix.com not to mention they are available via premail-0.44! John Perry - perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers.

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Re: Put Uncle Sam in your Calling Circle
by David Rochberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Mark O. Aldrich" <maldrich(a)grci.com> writes: [Tom Tomorrow RSA posters] > > THE QUESTION THAT (therefore) BEGS TO BE ASKED: > > How can all the rest of us get copies, or are you just rubbing our > collective noses in the "I got one and you don't" dirt? :) > You can find EPS and GIF versions at http://www.rsa.com/rsa/gallery/gallery.htm -david

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ADD and Unix, + Ritalin Questions
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

1. Unix aggravates the Attention Deficit Syndrome. Do you agree? 2. USENET aggravates the Attention Deficit Syndrome. Do you agree? Also 3. Are there any long term effects from Ritalin, and can it be discontinued easily? - Igor.

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Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children (Last Word?)
by Tim Philp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have been watching (ie deleting) all this stuff about children and drugs. Personally, I think that if you leave children alone they will grow up and decide what drugs of choice they want to use. (insert favourite recreational drug here) As for myself, I follow the "bunghole" (tm) theory of raising children. This involves putting the child into a large barrel when they are born and sealing up the barrel. Food, water, and air are given to the child through the bunghole in the barrel. At the age of 18, you drive in the bung! Sorry folks, I couldn't resist! <G> Warmly, Tim Philp

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FW: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[for some reason this went out without my comments earlier] From: Mike Duvos Of course, no amount of reason will disuade the True Believers from embracing yet another disease model, and we shouldn't expect that it would. But I think it is clear to many people that the forced medication of children for the convenience of those who take care of them is getting a bit out of control. ........................................................................

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Re: [RANT] Giving Mind Control Drugs to Children
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"perry(a)piermont.com" 9-JUL-1996 07:29:49.72 >get on with their lives. Maybe you would prefer to "help" them by not >letting them get medication. Maybe its "unnatural". Could you explain >to me, however, how you are making their lives better by not giving >them their meds? I mean, what concretely is better about their lives? Quite. Besides which, what's wrong with something being "unnatural"? If you define doing something to modify how one naturally thinks/behaves/whatever as "unnatural", then all education is unnatural, child raising is unnatural, etcetera; all these modify neural patterns in the long run. All this is more in the area of transhumanism than of cypherpunks, BTW, although I can see some _possible_ relevance. Mike Duvos writes: >> Again, to return to the height analogy, doctors have to throw >> short parents seeking human growth hormone[...] >You miss the point. You spoke of involuntarily medicated kids. Most of >the kids aren't involuntarily medicated. I wasn't, and I won't be when I go back on it (shortly, I hope). I noticed the difference that it made (as did my teachers), and I preferred it. >> The price of giving the patient (or the patient's parents) >> everything they want is [...] classrooms full of obedient >> citizen-units in Soma-induced trances. >Ritalin does not induce a zombie-like trance, as the numerous people >on this mailing list who take it can tell you. Most definitely agreed. While on it, I found myself much better able to do what _I_ ultimately wanted to do. -Allen P.S. Thank you, Perry.

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Re: A case for 2560 bit keys
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:09 PM 7/8/96 -0400, David F. Ogren wrote: >And so we have to ask ourselves, why _not_ use a 2047+ bit key. It has >greater longevity and greater security. Why not be overcautious when >the cost is so small? I don't think it's going to make a great deal of difference. We've "all" shifted to 1024-bit keys, even though it's unlikely anybody will have the resources to crack them for decades if not centuries. And the moment any government prosecutes anyone with information obtained by a decrypt of a 1024-bit key, the (then) stragglers will join the rest of us at 1500 or 2000+. The government knows this and there's nothing it can do about it, except possibly for GAK and it isn't making much headway in that. The most negative part of a long key is the false sense of security it may engender in the weak-minded: All key sizes are equally insecure from a computer black-bag job or a specially-engineered virus. If you're really interested in your future security, probably the best thing you can do is to convince Congress to write legislation to ban negotiations and/or treaties with other countries which in any way ban or restrict encryption, preventing Klinton from doing an end-run around the Bill of Rights with regard to the 1st amendment. Maybe it's just too much of a wish-list item, but a I'd like to see a legal prohibition on the government attempting to decrypt any information that it didn't (legally; with authorization) have the key to when it collected that information. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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