December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Reasons in support of crypto-anarchy WAS Re: Why am I (fwd)
by lunaslide＠loop.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

}jim bell writes: }> If Perry is REALLY sincere about objecting to the NON-crypto part of AsPol, }> he should demonstrate this by writing notes which are focussing on the }> crypto aspects, rather than just complaining. } }Frankly, Jim, the only reason I haven't torn apart all the utterly }ennervated simulacra of arguments you have posted to support your }"concepts" is that they are *all* off topic and I do not participated }in the discussion of off topic postings. Frankly perry, you're a fucking child and I can't remember reading anything intelegent from you in this list at all. Jim Bell at least contributes ideas. You generate garbage. I'm a patient man, but you've finally done it. PLONK! Jeff lunaslide "Prohibition... goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes... A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." - -- Abraham Lincoln On the meridian of time there is no injustice, only the poetry of motion creating the illusion of truth and drama. Henry Miller ________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCPAzEX3QEAAAEEAOGQjhnqGH29pO1WDaXs5GFOVPhCBWyYEk9XEwRmscjveWzH AhA6DeOA480zWNqQURyqE2yPmR8WzT+OXYqmeiQiycKyFA41Vs/Ruf+gXXxe7uXS L5BK3K8oKbfoH0D5/TAkMT4r6BprXFQz4pFc3gY2SSaSPElpMjKHaKBsRsyRABEB AAG0HUplZmYgQ29ubiA8bHVuYXNsaWRlQGxvb3AuY29tiQCVAwUQMRffHzKHaKBs RsyRAQGNhwP9E9xEZ9/LCKnhgtnrqgD7pDoXG2pCy8FoyfFjoImGkG+jF1wELXmB Z0mf8F8CgYkys0mif1XeGDMelr1gzlZAm6LgQt4kcvztMW/aRLn18QP+iwltVT/L p8D37mitOjvuk46sWgAChIaPPPIeg/EaYQjQkmlpWKsEYIoTRy+E8mU= =4Gku -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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SEX_hex
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

2-14-96. NYT Page One: "Compuserve Halts Restriction on Sex Material. To Offer Blocking Software." Citing a desire to leave Internet censorship to individual tastes rather than government decree, Compuserve said yesterday that it would restore worldwide access to most of the 200 sex-related computer data bases it had recently blocked under pressure from German prosecutors. "By this action, Compuserve is intentionally providing obscene material to its subscribers, and they do so at their peril," said the Family Research Council. "We will encourage the Justice Department to prosecute Compuserve for violating CDA." The Justice Department has agreed not to prosecute anyone under the new law at least until tomorrow. SEX_hex

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jean-Francois Avon (JFA Technologies, QC, Canada) writes: > Q3: how to make that connexion [from mid ocean] *secure*? Ah, that part is easy. End to end encryption. IPsec or things like it. I hope I don't sound like a preacher, but IPsec is a good thing(TM). Perry

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No Subject
by owner-cypherpunks＠toad.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:03 PM 2/13/96 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: > IP addresses are a scarce resource today. Try getting a /16 >allocation (what used to be a class B). There are politics in the >process already. I know they are getting scarce. I just find the "let's sell IP addresses on the open market" do be a scary though. it will make them less available. > Addresses will not be easily 'transferable.' The IETF is >discussing a 'Best Current Practices' document that talks about >address portability. Basically, it can't happen, because the routers >only have so much memory, and the routers at the core of the internet >can't keep in memory how to reach every one; there needs to be >aggregation. The only feasible aggregation seems to be provider >based, ie, MCI, Alternet, and other large ISPs get blocks of >addresses. They give them to smaller companies, like got.net, which >gives them to customers. The result? The core routers have a few >more years. A good point. Having parts of subnet shifting around could be pretty painful from an admin point of view. > Lastly, 32 bit addressing is going away. IPv6 offers 128 bit >address space, and (hopefully) much more efficient allocation, as well >as such useful things as hooks for automatic renumbering of address space. I just hope that the AT&T scheme does not get put into place. Otherwise it will be just viewed like a stock split. ("Wow! We have more addresses to sell!") The AT&T plan as described sounds like something dreamed up by a marketing droid as a way to "Make Money Fast Off Of The Internet". What is the timeline for implementation of IPv6? --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "I, Caligula Clinton... In the name of the Senate and the people of Rome!" - Bill Clinton signing the CDA with the First Amendment bent over.

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Re: Assasination Politics
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have changed the subject header (despite its destroying threading with the way my mailreader works) so that Perry et al can more easily filter this out. I have concluded that Assasination Politics, since it is a possible development of true anonymnity, etcetera, is a proper discussion topic for cypherpunks - while not cryptography in and of itself, it is a possible result of cryptography. From: IN%"frantz(a)netcom.com" 12-FEB-1996 03:24:07.29 >Again, absolutely. Hell, I can't even devise a filter that will let me >filter out Jim Bell's rants while letting me see his reasoned arguments on >anonymous assassination. (I would love to have him address the Salman >Rushdie issue, a man who is still alive despite a considerable announced >price for his head. There appear to be limits to who can be subject to >assassination for pay.) Actually, that's an argument for non-misusage of Assasination Politics. If the person hides, there's not much one can do about it. But a hiding law enforcement agent can't be out violating people's rights. (I will mention that whether a right is violated or not is essentially a matter of the perceiver - under any system, whether governmental or not. All ethical arguments assume either some degree of common ground that can be argued from, or the finding of logical inconsistency). Those who do so via the net can be taken care of via the other mechanisms discussed here. It's just that the physical part is a possible net weakness. Moreover, just because _some_ rights-violaters (not that Rushdie was one) aren't killed doesn't mean that all of them wouldn't be. A system doesn't have to be 100% efficient to be effective. However, the Rushdie case does bring up one problem I have with Assasination Politics as currently constructed. While people are unlikely to patronize a general/non-discriminatory organization, a more particular but non-libertarian one is still possible. For instance, if the Christian Coalition put together an organization, anonymously, what would prevent them from offing everyone who was a major leader against them - such as a doctor researching new abortion techniques, or a geneticist (such as myself) doing gene therapy work they found offensive? The patrons would know that _they_ wouldn't be targeted after all... I would appreciate a response from Jim Bell on this subject. -Allen

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Re: LI Newsday OpEd: Criminal Justice System
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I personally find stuff like this interesting, but I prefer read about > it in places like libernet or the like. Cypherpunks is for > cryptography. I thought it was somewhat related in terms of The Law (tm), but you're point is taken. (Hey, at least I posted highlights rather than the whole article). Rob. --- "Mutant" Rob <wlkngowl(a)unix.asb.com> Send a blank message with the subject "send pgp-key" (not in quotes) for a copy of my PGP key.

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Re: A Cyberspace Independence Refutation
by tallpaul＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Decius, I greatly enjoyed your post on this topic at the cpyherpunks list. On a related issue, I have been giving a lot of thought to the possibility of moving the functional aspect of anon servers away from professionally administered and globally known sites like C2 to many smaller virtually unknown sites. I have been informed that the latest Sysquest parallel port 135 Mb drive lets you boot off of it, (e.g. load the driver off a floppy then boot a new OS off the Sysquest.) This permits one to put a linux kernal, lots of utilities, pgp, mixmaster, etc. etc. on the single $20 floppy drive, along with an easy to use and understand interface for the "sysop." People can then have a complete mixmaster etc. system regardless of what OS they use on their regular machine, resident on a floppy easy to hide and cheap enough to destroy. It would lead to an enormous number of sites popping up among jr. high school students in the family garage or rec room through undregrads in their dorm rooms. Access would be mainly through personal friendships and word of mouth. Makes it almost infinitely more difficult for government to track them down let alone clamp down. --tallpaul

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Re: [NOISY] Re: New Internet Privacy Provider - Press Release
by David Neal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:12:58 -0500 (EST) > From: "Declan B. McCullagh" <declan+(a)CMU.EDU> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, Vincent Cate <vince(a)offshore.com.ai> > Subject: [NOISY] Re: New Internet Privacy Provider - Press Release > Cc: > Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 9-Feb-96 New Internet Privacy > Provid.. by Vincent Cate(a)offshore.co > > PRESS RELEASE: 2/9/96 Anguilla, Offshore Information Services Ltd. > > > > As a result of recent efforts to censor the Internet in France, Germany, > > China, and now the USA, [we] anticipate > > a larger market for privacy services over the Internet. ... > > Thanks, but no thanks. I don't need a shell account at $1,200 a year. > You though that was bad? (Besides I though it was $300/yr not a quarter) try their clearing services! $500/mo + 6% of all tranactions. Yeoch. I know T1s and satellite links overseas are expensive, but they're not THAT expensive. Hey, Mark Twain. Form a seychelles entity with the same fee schedule as your U.S. counterpart. You won't know what to do with all the money!

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Subject lines?
by olbon＠dynetics.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok, has everyone forgotten to use a subject line today, or is there a problem with toad.com? Every message I received today that was dated 14 Feb (except one - from "E. ALLEN SMITH" <EALLENSMITH(a)ocelot.Rutgers.EDU>) had no subject and no from line (other than cypherpunks). This includes messages from Perry and Jim Bell. Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clay Olbon II | olbon(a)dynetics.com Systems Engineer | ph: (810) 589-9930 fax 9934 Dynetics, Inc., Ste 302 | http://www.msen.com/~olbon/olbon.html 550 Stephenson Hwy | PGP262 public key: finger olbon(a)mgr.dynetics.com Troy, MI 48083-1109 | pgp print: B97397AD50233C77523FD058BD1BB7C0 "To escape the evil curse, you must quote a bible verse; thou shalt not ... Doooh" - Homer (Simpson, not the other one) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Response to Perrygram
by rah＠shipwright.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Am I the only one who thinks that big money could be made selling tickets >for a first class section in which Mr. Metzger and Mr. May were seated >in 2a and 2b? Personally, I'd pay big money for a firehose, myself... Or, as someone said once said long ago on a list far away: Perry and Tim, Why don't you two have sex already? The tension around here is getting unbearable... ;-) Cheers, Bob ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Reality is not optional." --Thomas Sowell The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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