December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Electronic Freedom March postponed to Fall 1996
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm glad to see that Keith Glass has taken the helm of the Electronic Freedom March. Moving the date back to late September is a good idea: * We can hold the March before Congress adjourns in early October. * The date is close to the November elections. * The Supreme Court will return on October 7 and will, I hope, decide to hear our lawsuit challenging the CDA soon after. Now we have time to organize... -Declan // declan(a)eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan(a)well.com // ---------- Forwarded message ---------- News Release 24 April 1996 6 PM Contact: Keith A. Glass 703-354-1737 Changes to the Electronic Freedom March The Electronic Freedom March on Washington, currently scheduled for June 30th, 1996, has been re-scheduled to the fall, tentatively the weekend of 28-29 September. With the current state of the case against the CDA, ACLU vs. Reno, and several organizational factors, it's been concluded that it would be far more effective to focus the political power of the citizens of the Net closer to the November elections. We are currently looking for people to assist us in organizing and sustaining the Electronic Freedom March on Washington. Specifically, we need assistance in fundraising and publicity, assistance in obtaining corporate and non-profit sponsorships, people familiar with stage and sound systems, crowd logistics, first aid, and security. Please refer all inquiries to Keith A. Glass, 703-354-1737, salgak(a)dcez.com -- * Keith A. Glass, Annandale, Virginia, USA, Filker/punster at large * * Washington Coordinator, Electronic Freedom March * * 30 June 1996, Washington DC URL: http://www.efm.org * * Note: the following line is an intentional act of Civil Disobedience: * * FUCK THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT--DEFEND THE FIRST AMENDMENT ! *

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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(fwd) Statement on Merchants - Mark Twain Banks
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I knew it! There *is* an echo in here... ;-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text X-Sender: merchant(a)172.16.1.10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:16:17 -0500 To: ecash(a)digicash.com From: Ecash Merchants <merchants(a)marktwain.com> Subject: Statement on Merchants - Mark Twain Banks Sender: owner-ecash(a)digicash.com Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ecash - Its Your Money! Mark Twain Bank both supports and promotes free speech. Our adoption of the Ecash secure payment system written by DigiCash is one of the most important statements we think we can make about our belief in privacy. We believe that all sites should have the ability to publish or promote as they choose, and to do business with whom they choose. Mark Twain is a public company regulated by multiple governmental entities. In the ordinary course of business, the company chooses with whom it does business every day. The company has no obligation to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ conduct business with anyone it deems to be inappropriate. The ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ;-). company will decline to accept any web site that sells graphics or items that would, in the sole and conservative judgement of the Bank, be offensive to the primary constituents of the Bank and other online vendors. Defining what is acceptable is an ongoing process of the Bank's Oversight Review Committee. Anyone with questions about specific acceptability should contact the committee by email. At this time the regulatory framework for Ecash and other online payment mechanisms is not established. We expect that we will be required to present the case for this new payment mechanism before legislative and regulatory bodies. This means that the ultimate success of Ecash will depend, in part, on our ability to provide regulatory bodies with a rational argument why current restrictive regulations should be broadened. If opposing parties are able to divert the discussion away from these essential elements into an argument about controversial products that may be available, then the goal of universal acceptance may not be met. As banks from around the world adopt Ecash, customers will be able to use their Mark Twain issued Ecash to make purchases globally without restriction. Mark Twain believes that all Ecash issuing banks should be inter-operable, and that such purchase transactions are private matters of the individuals utilizing Ecash. One could certainly imagine that merchants not acceptable to Mark Twain could be acceptable elsewhere. Thank you for your patience, and your comments. Mark Twain Bank merchants(a)marktwain.com www.marktwain.com "Ecash" is a trademark of DigiCash bv "Mark Twain Banks" is a trademark of Mark Twain Bancshares, Inc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMX59ttsWVQQCavb7AQGnwQP+PedLsJjUsdiZ+XW8qoyTmWjBtFGVBnqE sOkVm9ZFPK/Sgny13iYJdjyjpNe/XgFaQO8hSfV1aZyBln4U3pFhH9aIqJzAyFmU Fo9iyLXf3CowWRYieI0OXzG5xYk+nQPKLJLeCdwebxit1bS7m/5iYuASyF3DQs3x fs7X94LQHeg= =0vvc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "If they could 'just pass a few more laws', we would all be criminals." --Vinnie Moscaritolo The e$ Home Page: http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/

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Re: Rabbi Hier Testimony
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To see today's WaPo about "The Turner Diaries" publishing controversy that Declan cites: TUM_ult For William Pierce, "Diaries" author, by NYT, June, 1995: TUR_ner

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Re: Golden Key Campaign
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:53 PM 4/23/96, Hal wrote: >effort. Note that RSA's logo is a key, and we see the RSA key at the >bottom of our Netscape screens all the time. I don't remember if it's >golden. ... >I have not actually seen the new logo because I don't have a graphical >browser here, but I hope it is not too similar to RSA's key. I hate to ... The "Golden Key" appears to be a photograph of an old-style "skeleton key" (hope this is not symbolic of what happens to users...). The key sits on top of an envelope in the image I saw. The "RSA Key(s)" is/are modern keys, a la Schlage or similar lock keys. They normally are shown in a kind of gold/yellow/bronze, from memory of RSA literature and a Web page I just looked at to double-check. I don't know if the use of a key is to endorse RSADSI directly, or subliminally. But there are not a lot of symbols which are evocative. The "Cypherpunks rose" hasn't exactly become the new symbol of whatever it is we believe in, and other symbols are no better. I note that that the NSA also uses a key in its logo. (On the larger issue of the campaign itself....I'm not much of a joiner, and PR campaigns fatigue me. I'm with Whoopi Goldberg on the Blue Ribbons, the Red Ribbons, the Yellow Ribbons, the Green Ribbons, the Gold Key, the Silver Key, the Chartreuse Diskette, and the Maltese Falcon.) --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Meta: The Arguing about the Terms of the Wager Continues
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:14 AM 4/24/96, jim bell wrote: >As I recall from a message a day ago, you claimed that you saw no way that >we could come to any kind of agreement as to the terms and conditions. I'm >willing to accept your word on this prediction. And in another message, Black Unicorn wrote: >I note for the record that I never predicted that the terms and >conditions would be complex or unresolved, but that you would alter >the claim and the logistics of the wager to the point where you might >evade the consequences of loss. > >I note for the record that it was your post that originally supported its >accuracy with a call for wagering. > >I note for the record...... And so the back-and-forth continues...taking up even more list space arguing, waffling, finessing, rebutting, disputing, and on an on. Exactly as several of us have predicted. Give it a rest. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Crypto Software Review Wanted
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:04 PM 4/24/96, Travis Hassloch x231 wrote: >There's a ton of only semi-organized stuff out there. >I would like structured info... more that just a filename, without having >to install it myself, etc... >Review of the packages would be real nice. Let's see. You'd like structured info, and reviews. How much are you offering? >CC me in the replies please, since I'm not on the list... Well, I make it a point _not_ to do this. Those wanting people on the CP list to generate stuff for them should at least be reading and contributing to the list. "Hey, like I'm not on the list, but, like, send me kewl stuff." > although I might get on coderpunks if the volume is small. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: The Iron Mountain Report
by minow＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Some years ago the federal government set up a special >[inaudible] group. For two-and-a-half years they met in secret at >Iron Mountain, New York. Their findings were called "Report from >Iron Mountain on the Possibility and Desirability of Peace." >Their document, by some of the leading thinkers, was suppressed. >Later, it was printed in a limited edition, with the *names* >removed. Some were shocked by what they read. > I've read the Report from Iron Mountain (I bought it about 20 years ago, and I believe that it's currently available in paperback). While it *could* be legitimate, I think it may be more approprately filed next to Johnathan Swift's Irish cookbook. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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by Buck213＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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