December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Cyberspace--Silencing the Net
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Interesting that they're a very liberal organization with the guts - unlike, say, CPSR - to condem German censorship of Neo-Nazis. Their information on that is incomplete, however; Declan and Rich may wish to contact them and give them the whole story. -Allen

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Re: Remailer in a box
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"loki(a)obscura.com" "Lance Cottrell" 9-MAY-1996 20:11:17.14 >I don't know about posting the agreement. My lawyer may not want to see all >his hard work in the public domain. I will ask. Thanks. Incidentally, one thing that I noticed in your listing of services was email to fax. In some circumstances (such as anonymous accounts), the other way around would be useful. Even for a non-anonymous account, there have been times when I've wished I could give someone a FAX number and have it emailed. Admittedly, there is the problem of optical character recognition et al; perhaps this could be handled via temporary web pages with a password emailed to an account on the same system? Sameer may also want to look into this. I've seen some information about such systems on the net; one in New York appears to include voicemail to email services, although I don't know how as yet. -Allen

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Re: Mandatory Voluntary Self-Ratings
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"reagle(a)mit.edu" "Joseph M. Reagle Jr." 9-MAY-1996 20:02:59.66 > I would agree the questions seem too video game orientated, and I >don't like some of the questions either. However, it is a fair effort, and I I will also give them credit for a fair effort. However, it's one that can stand a _lot_ of improvement... like all the rest. > I'm sure this is something that could go on for a very long time in >some cypherpunk thread (something I'm not interested in argueing about), but >there is no such thing as a perfectly objective or unbiased system. For I will be interested in seeing a response from the admin address I cc'd it to. >instance, I don't like the distinctions other systems make for >homosexuality, but I also understand some parents may wish to screen on it... I understand why parents may wish to screen on it; I still disapprove of giving them the ability to do so. Am I in favor of governmental or other coercive suppression of systems that do so? No, not at all. But I still will do my best to discourage them - such as by not rating or mis-rating pages. -Allen

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Re: Transitive trust and MLM
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"llurch(a)networking.stanford.edu" "Rich Graves" 8-MAY-1996 04:33:21.44 >The fact that you're sending postcards is only a problem if you don't want >them to be read. It's more the email I receive that I worry about, so all >my friends use the address rich(a)alpha.c2.org now. How would this help? Whoever's wanting to monitor you will just monitor rich(a)alpha.c2.org's incoming mail. -Allen

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Re: Nazis on the Net
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"tallpaul(a)pipeline.com" 1-MAY-1996 13:19:10.69 >I stand behind my original post and the analysis in it. >I am amused at the tremendous attempts by people with certain political >affinities to bail out Weaver by a series of arguments based either on Actually, the political affinities seem rather to be on the other foot. Every organization I know of that calls Weaver a racist, as opposed to a separatist, also tries to deny exactly how wrongful the government's actions were at Ruby Ridge. The biggest example of this is the US government, but organizations such as the American Jewish Committee are also guilty of this apologia. If you don't believe me on this (Rich, for instance, had doubted that anyone was defending the actions at Ruby Ridge), I suggest reading "A Force Upon the Plain", which is by the AJC's person on hate groups. In it, he calls the actions of the USG at Ruby Ridge as, at worst, a mistake - and a more justifiable mistake in his view than Weaver's not showing up for his court hearing. In almost all cases in the chapter on Ruby Ridge, he states the government's side of the story as fact, and uses quotes - prominently labelled as from "white supremacists" - to describe the Weavers' side of the story. >profound ignorance of political realities or with their own private >dictionaries. If you believe that my definition of racism is out of my "own private dictionary," I invite you to see Webster's Second College Edition New World Dictionary of the English Language: Racism. 1. Same as racialism (sense 1). 2. Any program or practice of racial discrimination, segregation, persecution, and domination, based on racialism. Racialism. 1. A doctrine or teaching, without scientific support, that claims to find racial differences in character, intelligence, etcetera, that asserts the superiority of one race over another or others, and that seeks to maintain the supposed purity of a race or the races. 2. same as racism (sense 2). The second definition of racism is actually _more_ restrictive than my definition. I call someone practicing "racial discrimination, segregation, persecution, _and_ domination" a racist, whether or not they believe in some superiority of some race. I do appreciate the inclusion in Webster's of "without scientific support," since I am a scientist. >The whole argument of racism vs. white separatism vs. white suppremicist >seems more to come from people who argue whether someone is a Baptist or a >Christian or a Southern Baptist or a Protestant. (In mathematical set >theory one would trace the fallacy in thinking to the false idea that any >given element of a set cannot be the element of more than one set. Thus, if >(X is a member of Y) it cannot also be a member of Z.) I regard racism and racial supremacism as two sides of the same thing. Racial separatism overlaps with racism, but someone who practices one is not necessarily in favor of the other. I do not dispute that someone who is a racial separatist can also be a racist, and indeed often is. I simply am not willing to condem someone as a racist when the only organizations calling him such have clear motives to call what happened at Ruby Ridge something other than premeditated murder. >I understand that James D. is not accusing me of being a "child molester" >but merely using it as a reductio ad adsurdem argument. >Let me continue in this vein. >The issue of child molestation was dragged in and had no relevance on the >immediate political isues of Weaver et al. >But imagine people are arguing about the deep fundamental differnces >between someone who is a "child molester" vs. a "pedophile" vs. a "boy >lover." The analogy works quite well, in some ways. A pedophile who carries out his (usually his) desires is a child molester. A boy lover may be a pedophile, and may if a pedophile be a child molester. But I have known someone who had sexual attractions to underage boys but controlled them - he regarded carrying out such urges as wrong (I agree with him, if anyone is wondering). I would not call him a child molester. -Allen

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PTO_lop
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

5-10-96. WaPo: "Copyright Comes to the Internet. IBM's 'Cryptolope' Technology Collects the Fees." Describes IBM's InfoMarket system for secure electronic payments and copyright protection through use of keys to gain access to documents. PTO_lop ----- Note: Pipeline is suffering "technological" growing pains at PSI's VA switches, so they say (or maybe plummeting stock and insider dumps): incoming and outgoing mail oft delayed up to 24+.

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Re: Remailer in a box
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:25 PM 5/9/96 EDT, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: > Thanks. > Incidentally, one thing that I noticed in your listing of services >was email to fax. In some circumstances (such as anonymous accounts), the other >way around would be useful. Even for a non-anonymous account, there have been >times when I've wished I could give someone a FAX number and have it emailed. Already online in NYC, London, etc. See http://www.jfax.co.uk/. Faxes are forwarded via Mime. Cheap. Also someone else offering fax and voicemail over the web in Atlanta but I lost that URL. Others should follow. DCF

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The National Research Council Study of National...
by CRYPTO 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: The National Research Council Study of National Cryptography Policy Please post this message widely I am writing to let interested parties know about the imminent release of the NRC's study of national cryptography policy. If all goes well, we hope to release it on May 30, 1996. However, prior to that time, we won't be able to comment on its contents. For current information on release, visit the web site http://www2.nas.edu/cstbweb/220a.html When you visit that site, you'll have the opportunity to be put onto a mailing list so that we can inform you by e-mail when the report is available in print and/or electronically, as well as any public events associated with the report (e.g., public briefings). Herb Lin Cryptography Policy Study Director Computer Science and Telecommunications Board National Academy of Sciences/National Research Council 202-334-2605

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REF_orm
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

5-10-96. WaPo: "House Panel Approves Intelligence Reforms." Reports on the House intelligence committee's differences with the Senate and White House reforms. Also, it reports on Freeh's testimony yesterday at a hearing about the need for new federal laws to protect against economic espionage. He cites spying by 23 foreign governments and methods used. REF_orm ----- Note: Pipeline is suffering "technological" growing pains at PSI's VA switches, so they say (or maybe plummeting stock and insider dumps): incoming and outgoing mail oft delayed up to 24+.

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Re: remailer@utopia.hacktic.nl down
by Jim Byrd 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:15 PM 5/9/96 -0700, qut(a)netcom.com (Dave Harman) wrote: > >Oh, in what way was Elrom racist? (he's not anti-asian or anti-semitic, >for instance) > One famous comment of L. Ron Hubbard was that blacks were too stupid to move the needle on the e-meter. Another comment was that the problem with China is that there are too many "chinks" in it. All this, and much more, is documented in "A Piece of Blue Sky" by John Atack (and in other places).

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