December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Innocence & harmless weapons
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While it was a slick one-liner, it was also wrong. The truth can indeed harm innocents. For example, "The truth is that Anne Frank lived in an Amsterdam attic." is an excellent example of a truth that can, indeed, be used to harm people should it become known. The reason we use encryption is to disguise truths that we don't want others to know, and if those truths become known there may indeed be harm to innocents.. At 05:02 PM 5/23/96 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >Whose side of the truth? To be honest I was surprised by your simplistic >responce. > Jim Choate >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> SANDY SANDFORT >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> At 12:11 PM 5/23/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: >> >> >Tell ya what: name a weapon that CANNOT be used to harm an >> >innocent person. Go ahead, I'm waiting. >> >> The Truth? >> >> >> S a n d y Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Attacks on remailers
by herodotus＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The current discussion on the future of remailers seems to have been ignited by two events: the closure of the Hacktic remailer and the FBI's contacting an operator about a threatening message sent through his remailer. We have, however, almost no actual information about the two incidents, especially the type of threats, if any, made against the operators of the two remailers. This lack of information makes it difficult for others interested in remailers to make informed decisions about their future. We need more specific information about these two incidents. -- Herodotus <herodotus(a)alpha.c2.org>

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Re: National Journal article sez net-activism is just political hicks
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:31 PM 5/23/96 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >>Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:04:50 -0700 >>From: jwarren(a)well.com (Jim Warren) >>Subject: National Journal article sez net-activism is just political hicks >>Sender: owner-fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu >>Precedence: bulk >>X-URL: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ >> >>Tommorrow, Washington's politically-powerful National Journal reportedly >>will publish a know-nothing piece of "journalism" saying that net-aided >>politics is essentially nothing but a batch of ineffective, know-nothing >>nerds and back-water political hacks. At least we now know that the National Journal hasn't heard of Cyber-Anarchy--- or they didn't understand one word of it. >>Check it out on Friday or thereafter -- at www.politicsusa.com -- and >>forward your *informed* comments to the NJ's Editor and Letters Editor. >> >>--jim >> >>On the other hand, maybe we ought to just continue escalating our political >>effectiveness using the net, and let it come as a total shock to the >>Beltway insiders who trust this piece of misinformed blather ... when we >>provide more and more swing votes in contested elections -- as already >>occured with DeFoley8 against ex-Speaker Tom Foley, VTW for now-Senator Ron >>Wyden, me for now-available Calif legislative data, the gun BBS against >>ex-Calif Senate Prez Pro Tem David Roberti, etc. :-) Slowly but surely, they're learning! Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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SF Bay Area: Topics (?) for Meeting June 8th
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apologies if you prefer leaving these for the last minute. Unless someone has a better place, we'll meet at Stanford again, this time with a big enough room, fewer singing trees, and less sun putting me to sleep. Since we'll have a projection screen and multiple T3 Internet connection (knock on wood), it might be nice to show off some mockups of crypto GUIs, as discussed last time. Just hack together some GIFs or HTML to show what you like. In order to justify a room, this will be billed as a Stanford PGP Club meeting, so a key signing and a presentation from somebody (?) on some PGP thing (?) would probably be appropriate. Any chance of what's-their-name that stood us up last time showing up this month? There may be a speaker from CMU talking about net.censorship and privacy/pseudonymity in academia. Other topics? -rich

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No Subject
by unknown＠example.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Copyright 1996 The New York Times Company ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Report Warns of Security Threats Posed by Computer Hackers ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ [W] ASHINGTON -- Government investigators warned Wednesday that computer hackers cruising the ^^^^^^^^ Internet posed a serious and growing threat to national ^^^^^^^^ security, with the Pentagon suffering as many as 250,000 ^^^^^^^ "attacks" on its computers last year. ^ ^ -- Love, Qut(a)netcom.com

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FYA: "The ANOREV INTERCEPTS" [Usenet censorship] (fwd)
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sometimes I amaze even myself, or whoever people think I am. This was written by Tallpaul, everyone's favorite anti-fascist activist. -rich INFORMATIONAL FOLLOWUP TO INTERNET NEWS GROUPS "rec.music.white-power" "soc.politics.marxism" "talk.politics.natl-socialism" Because of the role I played in the campaign to get people to VOTE NO on "rec.music.white-power" many people have sent me e-mail asking about the vote results on several political news groups on the internet. The following is the latest data available as posted in the official USENET news group called "news.groups". 1. "rec.music.white-power" (RMW-P) Today, May 21 at 04:46 GMT, the vote taker Michael Handler posted a message to "news groups" that read: "I have completed the tabulation of the rec.music.white-power vote, and submitted the results to David Lawrence. They should be posted shortly. "I will comment more on the subject, including regarding the delay in the posting of the results, once the results have been posted to news.announce.newgroups." The battle over RMW-P was perhaps the most intensive in the history of the internet and informal earlier reports indicated the raw vote broke the all-time internet record by a factor of two. The results of the vote, whatever they are and however they were counted, promises to be equally if not more controversial, particularly because of the two+ month delay between the vote deadline and the announcement of the results. I will inform all of you what the vote is as soon as it is posted. 2. "soc.politics.marxism" Yesterday, May 20 at 22:12 (GMT -04:00), the vote taker Brennan Price posted a message to "news groups" announcing that the group passed the vote 355 to 106. There is now a formal five-day waiting period for people to comment/protest/etc. on how the vote was counted, the method(s) used to invalidate ballots, and so forth. I will also keep you informed of how this discussion unfolds. 3. "talk.politics.natl-socialism" (TPN-S) R. Graves was the original proponent of TPN-S. He had opposed the earlier RMW-P group but on technical, not political reasons, and he does, as he once put it, "not consider [himself] anti-racist." Rather Graves opposition centered on whether the nazi news group had demonstrated sufficient interest as a music group, whether it had been properly proposed in terms of proper USENET/uunet electronic paperwork at the like. His version of the Kleim proposal for a nazi group was designed, in part, to straighten out this paperwork. Highly skilled technically, Graves seems quite clueless about the nature of fascism as a political tendency off the internet in the real world. He has opposed individual cybernazi dirty tricks in cyberspace, including some first-class technical tracking of cybernazis using anonymity and other devices to hide their identities. On the other hand, he has announced, for example, that there are only some one-to- two thousand hardened nazis in the entire world. Before the vote on SPM was announced, Graves stated he was "thinking of dropping" his proposal for the nazi group on the grounds (among others) that even the cybernazis themselves showed little interest in it. However, today at 00:35 (GMT -7:00) he posted to "news.groups" under the subject line "Going forward with talk.politics.natl-socialism after all" that: "The recent 60 Minutes interview with Dr. William Pierce, in which Mike Wallace was obviously uninformed about the person with whom he was speaking, has reestablished the need, as far as I am concerned, for a public forum dedicated to the discussion of national socialist movements. With Milton Kleim's permission, I will list him as an official co-proponent on the third RFD, for which I believe we just barely have time." Kleim accepted almost immediately. Graves's new view threatens additional ominous organizing by cybernazis on the net as they go for an additional news group even before the results of their previous organizing effort is announced. Nor does Graves's reason for going ahead seem particularly convincing. A search of the internet reveals only four mentions of Dr. William Pierce in recent times. One of them is by Graves himself a week or so before the Wallace interview. The other three were all responses to the interview. Nor does it seem likely that Mike Wallace or his staff will be avid readers of Graves's proposed TPN-S. Graves's decision also comes immediately after the statement that the votes on the earlier cybernazi proposal RMW-P were counted. It is possible that Graves's genuinely changed his mind (as did Milton Kleim) independently of the success of SPM and the vote on RMW-P. But one wonders how many will be convinced that this is the case versus the number that will see Graves's reference to Pierce/Wallace as more rationalization than reason. Still, until Graves's third version of the proposal is written and posted there seems little to be gained by any formal speculation on his motives or those of the cybernazis. Nor, until the vote on RMW-P is announced does it seem beneficial for new people to closely follow the post-announcement followups to "news.groups." I and others will be closely monitoring the group and will keep you informed of what is happening, what we think the significance is, and our thinking on how best to support, oppose, or avoid it. The short time line is uncertain. (Thus I am not even getting this ready to mail until I have again checked the group when I next log on.) But for political activists it promises to be an "interesting" summer and fall. --tallpaul(a)nyc.pipeline.com Post Script to New Readers: This series of letters originated with what a few of us jokingly call the ANOREV INTERCEPTS. I returned to the internet in September 1995 after a long absence. Various technical people who were anti-fascist but not activists had been following cybernazi organizing attempts in cyberspace. They had assembled a series of documents and analyses of the nazis, and, knowing that I was an antifascist activist sent me copies. (Some years ago Anglo/US intelligence intercepted and decoded some detailed material from Soviet intelligence that was code-worded VERONA. ANOREV is just that word spelled backwards.) The ANOREV material proved to be highly accurate. Based on this, I started the series called "This computer kills fascists," posting material to friends and other net activists.

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Anonymous password assignment failure (no password)
by daemon＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You have requested the assignment of a new password However, your message text didn't contain any password. Remember that passwords should only contain letters and numbers.

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Re: Runtime info flow in Java
by norm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:06 AM 5/9/96, Christian Wettergren wrote: >Hi! > >I'm presenting my licentiate research proposal >next week, and I thought that some of you might >find it interesting. I'd like to find others >that are working with similar projects, to have >some people to discuss with. > >The actual proposal is available at > > http://www.it.kth.se/~cwe/phd/licprop.ps I began to look at your paper online but that works poorly for me. My printer does not handle A4 paper. PostScript seems inflexible in this regard. If it were available in 8.5 X 11 inch format you would have least one more reader. I am interested in your paper because you define the problem as we do. There are some who think that capability architectures are the solution. There is little information on how to solve these problems with capabilities. I am trying to find time to address some of these issues. KeyKOS is a capability based operating system that is designed to solve a variety of security problems. There are some papers at <http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~KeyKOS> and <http://www.webcom.com/agorics/library.html>. We find that Java as a language conforms well enough to capability principles even though not using the term. Some of the primordial classes do not conform and indeed it was there that the Princeton group found the problems that are most difficult to fix.

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Re: Children's Privacy Act
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lauren Amy Gelman said: >The text of the Children's Privacy Protection and Parental Empowerment >Act is available at the Epic "Children's Privacy" web site: > >http://epic.org/privacy/kids/ > >Read it before you trash it! We at LolitaWatch GMBH are amused that legislators in the United States are attempting to legislate that which can be so easily bypassed with the world-wide Internet. In fact, anticipating such restrictions on the collection of some data, we moved our operations to Aalborg, Danmark earlier this year. (Forslag og ideer vedr. indhold modtages gerne af: www(a)lolita.nordjyllands .dk ) Danish laws are not so repressive as American laws, and our American friends can so easily access our data bases of information derived from the mandatory age-labeling tags you Americans so conveniently (for us) insist upon. --Klaus Jellingestenen

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Cyber-Anarchy
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 5:41 AM 5/24/96, jim bell wrote: >At 09:05 PM 5/23/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >>At 3:06 AM 5/24/96, jim bell wrote: >>>At least we now know that the National Journal hasn't heard of >>>Cyber-Anarchy--- or they didn't understand one word of it. >> >> >>What is this "cyber-anarchy" (or "Cyber-Anarchy") you keep talking about? > >(Yeah, yeah. Okay, I forgot the trademark. But I still can't find the >"circle-C" on my keyboard!) My point is actually not so much one of claiming credit for something I've been involved with since 1988, as being somewhat critical of the all-too-common tendency I see of _renaming_ something without adding any new content. Jim Bell calls his set of ideas "cyber-anarchy," and certain journalists have picked up on this (as with the Australian article). But with the exception of the one variant of anonymous markets, namely, "assassination politics," most or all of the other ideas of his "cyber-anarchy" seem to be encompassed by the already-existing term. --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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