December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

TEN_ysp
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

2-13-96. NYT: "New Spynet Links C.I.A. and Envoys." The C.I.A. is planning to buy commercial comm gear, put an encrypting scrambler on it, and give diplomats in Bosnia and elsewhere the ability to receive adulterated facts that it previously had been unwilling or unable to share except with enemies. Soon, diplomats will be up to speed with spying foreign correspondents, many of whom have portable comm gear combining sat phones and computer ports. "We have our own classified Internet in the intelligence community, with home pages just like you do on the Internet," gurgled a spy-leaker to this reporter-siphon -- who already knew by spying browsers and snooping search engines what the dagger-gagger duhhed. TEN_ysp

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Re: Spin Control Alert (LI Newsday, 2/12/96)
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"declan+(a)CMU.EDU" "Declan B. McCullagh" 13-FEB-1996 00:19:48.79 >Exactly. Catharine MacKinnon, for instance, has called the EFF and other >Rimm-debunkers part of the "pro-pornography power block" which >represents the "howling fury of the pornographers protecting their >penises and their wallets." So Catharine MacKinnon wants to castrate and steal from men? No surprise... Excellent quote to repeat, BTW... it might even get the male followers of the Christian Coalition et al to question with whom they're working. >ObCrypto: Yes, Know Your Enemies and work with the natural enemies of >the religious right, such as groups like the ACLU and the FEN. The >theocratic push to outlaw nonescrowed crypto is next. As I said before about the CPSR and libertarians (and Rush Limbaugh and libertarians), politics makes strange bedfellows. -Allen

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Australian net limitations
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This may have some relevance to the Australian crypto regulation thread a while back. -Allen From: IN%"rre(a)weber.ucsd.edu" 12-FEB-1996 23:51:48.10 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, send an empty message to rre-help(a)weber.ucsd.edu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:28:44 -0800 From: madanmohan rao <rao(a)IGC.APC.ORG> To: "Multiple recipients of list india-gii(a)cpsr.org" <errors(a)snyside.sunnyside.com> Subject: Internet news about Asia, India Hello folks - Here are excerpts from this week's edition of my column, "International Internet NewsClips." The full version plus archives are at MecklerMedia's Internet World site (http://www.iworld.com/netday/NATW.html) You can also find my reviews of books on Internet-related subjects at this site. Comments, feedback, etc. most welcome as always. - madan ______________________________________________________________ Madanmohan Rao (rao(a)igc.org) Communications Consultant, United Nations Inter Press Service bureau. -------------------------------------------------------------- [...] Internet Legislation To Be Formulated In Australia -------------------------------------------------- 1996 is probably going to be a watershed year in Australian Internet history. Decisions are going to be made about what is and is not allowable on-line. Concerned users will have a chance to express their opinions to the Australian Broadcasting Association's On-line Services Investigation, by February 16. The ABA's is the second similar investigation in the last six months. A Senate report last November argued that it should be an offence to "transmit, obtain possession of, demonstrate, advertise or request the transmission of material equivalent to RC (refused classification), R or X categories." But this would mean that the on-line world would be restricted by tighter standards than the off-line world. The ABA has issued a comprehensive Issues Paper for its inquiry (http://www.dca.gov. au/aba/olsissue.htm). Available since December, the paper deals with the concepts of codes of practice, the development of a representative industry body, the establishment of an independent complaints-handling body and other mechanisms for controlling access in the on-line environment. It also looks at consumer and Australian content issues on the Net, provides a handy guideline to censorship classification, and a summary of the findings of the Office of Film and Literature Classification's own informal search of the Net - 27 hours of porn hunting yielded the discovery that "restricted and refused classification material was difficult to find, at times difficult to download, and was more prevalent on Usenet newsgroup files than on the World Wide Web." The ABA accepts submissions by e-mail (online(a)aba.gov.au) (Sydney Morning Herald; February 6, 1996) Nations See Internet As Cultural, Political, Economic Threat ------------------------------------------------------------ Nations are discovering that data sent via the Internet can be every bit as threatening to a country's laws or its culture as the armies of yesteryear. "Nation states are trying to assert themselves with increasing aggression into cyberspace," said Electronic Frontier Foundation's John Perry Barlow, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. It's not just cultural or social sovereignty that governments worry about. The power to tax is also being eroded by the increase in economic transactions that take place over the Internet, some of it encrypted so that prying eyes of the tax department could not read them. "You can't control it, it's uncontrollable," said MIT's Nicholas Negroponte. "If someone tells you that you can, they are probably smoking pot." (Toronto Globe and Mail; February 3, 1996)

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NETSCAPE IS "IN MERGER TALKS WITH AMERICA ONLINE"
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PowerPC News (free by mailing add(a)aptdata.co.uk) quotes Reuter as as saying that Thomas Middelhoff, a board member of Bertelsmann AG, which has a significant stake in America Online, said that a decision on the merger could be made within a month. He noted that new data showed that 40% of US Internet traffic was flowing through America OnLine's network and that together with Netscape the two companies would effectively control the technology now shaping the global network - "And then Microsoft would be left without an Internet standard,".

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Re: Cypherpunks vs. Coderpunks
by E. ALLEN SMITH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Leslie Todd Masco <cactus(a)hks.net> >My concern is that the two lists will become more disjoint than they >already are. I believe that the content of Cypherpunks is enhanced by having >the programmers present, just as the coders benefit from the guidance of >seeing the possibilities opened by their endeavors. >The remailers network is the most obvious example of the benefits of this >synergy. I'd hate to see us lose later rewards that could otherwise be reaped. I would agree about this. However, hopefully some of the pure-coding stuff (such as the timing of sun speeds or whatever thread) can be moved to coderpunks for the sake of those on here who aren't interested... and who are also the least likely to have an easy filter to use. -Allen

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DSN Tech.
by privsoft＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is anyone famillar with the balck-box by Dr. Aaron Freidman of DSN Technologies? I am trying to get info on it and other products from DSN Tech. thnx privsoft(a)ix.netcom.com Steve "The CDA Sucks!"

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Re: AT&T Public Policy Research -- hiring for cypherpunks issues
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:21 AM 2/13/96 -0800, John Gilmore wrote: >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:02:39 -0500 (EST) >From: Paul Resnick <presnick(a)research.att.com> >To: gnu(a)eff.org [Snip] >Markets for IP Addresses > >The 32-bit numbers used for Internet addressing and routing are a >limited resource. As this resource becomes scarcer, political >considerations are likely to creep into allocation decisions made >through existing administrative processes, leading to suboptimal >allocations. By granting transferable property rights to addresses, >allocation decisions can be removed from the political realm into the >economic realm, so that addresses are allocated to those who value them >most. This project seeks to develop consensus in the Internet community >for a move to market-based allocation, and investigates alternative >designs for an electronic market to coordinate the exchange of IP >addresses. This proposal bothers me. I do not see any positive results from this proposal. (Or at least the negatives will far outweigh the positive.) Here is what I see as the results of such a plan... Getting an IP address will become prohibitivly expensive except for the largest megacorps. Instead of solving the limitations of the current system, this plan will cause people to "invest" in IP addresses in the hope that the price will go up. IP addresses will become part of a corporation's invenstment portfolio. This will result in less usage of IP addresses, not more. The Internet is a fully complient buzzword. People will buy IP addresses becuase it is "the cool thing to do" and they can make a quick buck. I wonder if "used" addresses will get less money on the "open market" than "unused" addresses. If that is the case, then the you will see huge blocks of addresses go unused so as to not spoil their "market value". All in all, I see it as a bad idea... "Ever have a problem getting an IP address from your local ISP? YOU WILL! And the poeple to bring it to you? AT&T!" --- Alan Olsen -- alano(a)teleport.com -- Contract Web Design & Instruction `finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ "We had to destroy the Internet in order to save it." - Sen. Exon "I, Caligula Clinton... In the name of the Senate and the people of Rome!" - Bill Clinton signing the CDA with the First Amendment bent over.

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Re: V-chips, CC, and Motorcycle Helmets
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> One thing the V-Chip gives us is the argument: Now that parents have the >> ability to control what their children watch, the government should turn >> responsibility over to them and butt out. Unfortunately course it doesn't; we still "need" the government to control sex and indecency on TV, plus to enforce the "voluntary" rating standards and make sure TV companies attach them to their programs. Sigh. #-- # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com / billstewart(a)attmail.com +1-415-442-2215 # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs Pager +1-408-787-1281

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Internet Without Frontiers?
by James M. Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friend, A 02 11 96 Reuter newsstory from Brussels, headlined ---------------------------------------------------- STRASBOURG MEDIA DEBATE HEADS FOR SHOWDOWN reports: ...the European Parliament in Strasbourg on Wednesday... hammers out new rules for the European Union's audio- visual sector. The EP may try to revise the 1989 law puffed as "television without frontiers." That law might be extended to govern "new" services such as ...teleshopping, the internet and pay television.... Ach! and Sacre bleu! Therefore-- A coalition of 40 companies and trade associations from the recording, advertising and technology industries has written to parliamentarians...to urge them against extend- ing rules to new services. But there's another factor. If the socialist demands for regulation of information high- way services...prevail, the Parliament will then be set for an almighty row with EU governments. Why? EU culture ministers agreed last November to keep current rules unchanged. It's cheaper to enlighten a few ministers, you see, than it is to enlist a whole gaggle of parliamentarians. Cordially, Jim NOTE. The newsstory's www.nando.net online filename: info13_8187.html This critical essay was composed 02 12 96.

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Re: Cypherpunks vs. Coderpunks
by Leslie Todd Masco 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May, an unelected spokesman of the Cypherpunk Ghetto (tm) wrote: > Apparently the Cyphepunks list is thus being left to those of us who either > don't want to code, or have no skills at coding, or who think the > sociopolitical issues are more interesting. I think you're misinterpreting what's going on. Participants in the Coderpunks list are not generally abandoning Cypherpunks. Some people who have long been absent from the Cypherpunks list have joined it, but I've seen posts from most of the Cypherpunk participants of Coderpunks on Cypherpunks since it was formed. My concern is that the two lists will become more disjoint than they already are. I believe that the content of Cypherpunks is enhanced by having the programmers present, just as the coders benefit from the guidance of seeing the possibilities opened by their endeavors. The remailers network is the most obvious example of the benefits of this synergy. I'd hate to see us lose later rewards that could otherwise be reaped. I don't believe that it'll be sociopolitical content that'll chase the coders away: if the constant fighting over indisputable metaphysics doesn't do it, the fighting over who was killfiled by whom first and who's a total loon will. -- Todd - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMSAgvSoZzwIn1bdtAQE0CQF/Zk1TkLEnHKcBsi1IETtwqMP7y6oO6dmF R3bAM7bpP2Rg4HphYkxEAIyo6zztkDrr =jTwL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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