December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Internet Terminals
by Jordan Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From mclow(a)owl.csusm.edu Mon Nov 27 20:07:37 1995 Would you write and send e-mail if you had no way of archiving it? This is what AOL is. Would you use "net-quicken", if it required all your data to be stored on a shared disk at Intuit? Who are you kidding? All your banking information is stored *at your bank* today; how is that any different? OBCrypto: none. /jordan

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Re:ETH_ic?
by mp＠moonmac.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nb5s $bp2s writes, >> ...the case has killed the hacker ethic. "If I saw someone >> on the Internet with a security weakness, at this point >> I would be reluctant to act the Good Samaritan and >> report it," said Jeffrey Kegler, an independent software >> consultant in Sunnyvale Calif. "If I saw weakness in >> Intel's machine, I'd keep it to myself." If I saw a weakness in Intel's machine I would happily inform the company in the safest way possible: posting it to Cypherpunks, alt.destroy.microsoft, comp.sys.intel and any other appropriate newsgroup, via anonymous server. I'm sure the information would wind up in the correct hands _eventually_. Not that I'm suggesting anything, of course. |^^^^^^Please don't add "*(a)aol.com" to your twit filter. Thank you.^^^^^^| | mklprc(a)aol.com | "Give them a light and they'll | | mp(a)moonmac.com <*> follow it anywhere!" | | http://www.teleport.com/~mklprc/ | -- Firesign Theater | | No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message. | \----smuggle FSF terrorist BATF (fnord) FBI nuclear Saddam PGP Clinton---/

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Re: The future will be easy to use
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:12 PM 11/27/95 -0800, Jonathan Zamick wrote: > it > means forming a group, made up of Cypherpunk members perhaps, but much > smaller, and capable of working together. Also capable of handling not only > the theory, but good solid code, GUI, PR, meetings, talking to the > government, etc. Skip the talking to the government bit: Ignore, do not confront. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: The future will be easy to use
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:38 PM 11/27/95 -0500, James Black wrote: > As soon as PGP 3.0 is released I am planning on incorporating PGP into >Pine, and start putting it into more programs, to increase the usage of >encryption things before they go out. Is there any public spec for PGP 3.0? --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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No Privacy Right in UK ? - Part 2
by James M. Cobb 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friend, 11 27 95 Press Association News in the UK reports: STORM AS SPY CAMERA `JUICY BITS' SET FOR SALE "Furious MPs are demanding action," cries the story. Why? Their anger follows a row over the sale in video shops of "juicy bits" from closed circuit TV cameras fixed in high streets and stores to detect crime. High streets: where the fashionable retail shops are. One extract showed a couple having sex in a doorway, unaware they were being watched. It wasn't me, Mums, I swear! A Liberal Democrat family spokeswoman: "That this sale has been allowed is a disgrace and will undermine the trust the public has in cameras designed to cut crime." A Labour MP: "This situation plainly leaves people wide open to black- mail." He said "some of his constituents in Linlithgow had recently been compromised by such a video." A sly dog at the Home Office: "We have not seen the video [good move!], but judging from what has been said about it, it would have to be classified by the British Board of Film Classification if it is being sold." If we don't have privacy, we do have censorship! But Mums, I swear... Cordially, Jim NOTE. The Press Association website's URL: http://www.pa.press.net The newsstory's online filename: pick8.html.

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Re: Internet Terminals
by Marshall Clow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate sez: >Forwarded message: > >> Subject: Re: The future will be easy to use >> From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr. Dimitri Vulis) >> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 21:28:05 EST >> >> One thing that David didn't mention is security add-ons to the "network >> computers" that are supposed to be rolled out within the next few months -- >> the successors to X terminals, $500 boxes with a good screen/sound, >> cheap cpu, and a few megs of ram and flash memory to hold a web browser. >> I expect some folks to make a good living by writing add-ons (including >> crypto add-ons) to these gizmos. >> > >Don't hold your breath. The current market surveys say that there is no >market for them. Check out this weeks PC Week or Mac Week, as they both >have several articles discussing this. Bottem line is that the under $1000 >computer seems to have no future either in industry or the home. > I agree and disagree. ;-) The "internet terminal", or "internet appliance", as it is sometimes called, is IMHO, worthless. Would you write and send e-mail if you had no way of archiving it? Would you use "net-quicken", if it required all your data to be stored on a shared disk at Intuit? (There was an interview on NPR 11/17 where this was touted as "the next big thing"!) On the other hand, I believe that a <$1000 computer would be a big seller. >From a marketing point of view, there's just something about a price tag with three digits left of the decimal point, even if they're all nines :-) The tough part is making it usable, and making some money on it. [ I've got this 386-40, with 1 MB RAM and a 40MB hd, see... ] >Realisticaly, who in their right mind would buy a diskless workstation to >connect to Internet? > No one. >You certainly wouldn't do crypto on it because it has >to boot from somewhere else and this leaves all kinds of security holes. > Actually, I think the plan is to boot from ROM. >Anyone who bases their business on this technology won't have a business. > I agree. -- Marshall Marshall Clow Aladdin Systems mclow(a)mailhost2.csusm.edu "Eternal vigilance is the price of PostScript" -- MacUser Jan 96 DTP and Graphics column

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Diskless "Eunuchs" Machines Likely to Fail
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 6:17 AM 11/28/95, Steven Weller wrote: >The same sort of things could be said of the telephone compared with >written correspondence. Why would anyone have one in their business or >home? Anyone can overhear a conversation, people will just chat, the only >thing you can do with it is talk, there is no record of the correspondence, >why would anyone want to talk to people on the other side of town? etc. > >Think telephone, not computer. Think people over 40 who want a >communication tool with zero maintenance and zero learning curve. I'm skeptical of the "Diskless Internet Box = Telephone" analogy. Folks I know who are not computer-savvy, or who have other things they'd rather be doing, are not likely, as I see it, to buy boxes that still require them to type messages to other people but that don't allow them to download and save the interesting stuff they find. The telephone appealed to those who truly wanted to "just keep talking"...that was the beauty of it. Most people don't know how to touch-type, and typing by hunting-and-pecking is painful and unnatural for most people. A couple of years ago "the computer for the rest of us" was said to be a pen-based Newton-type machine, now it is said to be a diskless, memory-limited "Eunuchs" machine. (The diskless--and disketteless--systems I've seen described recently would make it impossible for me to interact as I currently do. To be sure, maybe "data storage services" will spring up to temporarily store stuff one has snarfed, but the download to one's home terminal still must be done again. Faster modems, and cable modems, will change things somewhat, but then this is a huge change in a lot of ways, in any case. Even the stereotypcial "chatters" at AOL are heavy users of local storage: witness the massive number of "me too!" posts from AOLers whenever a nude GIF or JPEG of Sandra Bullock or Jennifer Anniston is mentioned...they clearly are downloading a lot of images and whatnot to home machines...that measly 4 MB of flash memory is going to get filled up mighty fast.) By the way, Intel builds a lot of the motherboards for use by various companies. Someone at Intel claimed recently that even if the CPU was completely free (as some 486s effectively are already), Intel could not see how a system could be consistently built for under $500, including monitor, small disk, memory, etc. (The Oracle folks are muttering about a Newton-like OS which would load objects or applets or whatever in a more efficient way...this might work, but I'm still skeptical that user's needs can be met. Those folks wanting local access to the JPEGs of Sandra Bullock will still be out of luck....) I see a greater chance that home game machines, such as the 3DO and Sony PlayStation machines will get Web browsers done for them than I do that people will buy machines that are so limited. The only relevance of this whole topic to Cypherpunks is....is....minimal. --Tim May, who plans to find a way to use this boondoggle idea by Oracle to make money. (Right now I'm long Oracle, but this may soon change.) Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Cypherpunk Certification Authority
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 26 Nov 1995, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > Someone spoofing Alice, who is either Detweiler or "Dr." Cohen, says: > > I have never signed any of my posts to this mailing list and frankly have > > no intention of beginning at this point. > > Well, signed Alice posts have shown up, so we will just have to assume > that the above was a spoof and that the signed Alice posts are the > real ones, now won't we? Perry. Normally I try my best to ignore you. But I will simply repeat, I have never signed a post, and have no intention of beginning to sign any posts, until I establish a secure machine in a secure complex that is dedicated to that purpose. I like to think that I take my security somewhat seriously. And I would ask whoever DID post the PGP key under my name, to please issue a revocation certificate. > Perry Alice de 'nonymous ... ...just another one of those... P.S. This post is in the public domain. C. S. U. M. O. C. L. U. N. E.

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Re: [NOISE] Chi Sun Times SS# Sweepstakes
by Robert A. Rosenberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:12 11/27/95, Dan Harmon wrote: >One reason for the ssn's is that it maybe a LEA sponsered promo. If you a >dumb enough to have a warrent or other some judgement against you and you >give your ssn and address to a person or enity that you don't know then >shame on you. This reminds me of an incident that occurred in California last year. A number of people received a notice that they had just won an all-expenses-paid trip. Most of them turned up to get their gift only to then discover that it was a Government Sting Operation and that the trip was to Jail (they were all wanted on outstanding warrants which were waiting for them when they arrived at the meeting site).

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Clinton speaks at Air Force, NSA birthday
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

1:50 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. Secretary Cohen, Secretary Widnall, General Eberhart, Chaplain Dendinger, Chief Benkin. To the Air Force Band, the Air Force Academy Cadet Chorale, the friends and families, especially the men and women of the United States Air Force. I'm delighted to be here as we celebrate this 50th anniversary of the best Air Force in the world. Secretary Widnall thanked me for coming to your 50th birthday party. Actually, I thank you for having me. Ever since I turned 50 myself, I've been looking for all the company I can find. (Laughter.) And since I can't run for office anymore, Secretary Cohen, I'm glad to come here and have this crowd you raised for me. I appreciate it very much. (Laughter.) Ladies and gentlemen, 50 years ago, when our nation emerged from the crucible of World War II, we faced a political and military landscape that had been forever changed. Our European allies were devastated, the Iron Curtain was descending, the values for which we had fought so dearly seemed under siege from Europe to Asia. At that moment, only the United States had the strength to uphold the struggle for freedom around the world. And though our people were eager to turn their energies back home, we rose to the awesome responsibility at hand, creating the institutions that would protect our security and promote the cause of liberty and peace, and eventually enable us to prevail in the Cold War and enjoy the conditions that exist today, when, for the first time in human history, more than one-half the people on this planet live under governments of their own choosing. In 1947, 50 years ago, the four essential players in that struggle came to life: the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Council, the Department of Defense, and the United States Air Force. For the record, I think it should be noted that President Truman signed this act aboard his so-called "Sacred Cow," the C-54 presidential aircraft that served back then as Air Force One. In case you're wondering, President Truman was just like me --he didn't have an escape pod on his plane either. (Laughter.) I might say, as long as the Air Force is flying me, I don't feel the need for a way out. (Applause.) Fifty years later, our Air Force remains a world-class force without peer, thanks to the extraordinary men and women who serve in it. Your soaring spirit, your dedication, your skill have helped America to master the skies. You've made us more secure. You've made the world a safer place. We have seen your courage and expertise in time of war. We have seen your compassion and sacrifice in time of peace. We have seen the around-the-clock flights of the Berlin airlift. We saw you in MiG Alley in Korea. We saw the longest humanitarian airlift in history during the war in Bosnia. We saw you in the skies over Baghdad in Desert Storm. And just a few days ago, we saw the nine crew members of the C-141 perish off the coast of Africa after carrying a team of experts to help support our de-mining efforts in Namibia. We have seen you rise to the challenges of our time, from the development of the air expeditionary forces that give me an invaluable tool in times of crisis, to last week's deployment of Commando Solo aircraft to help prevent the enemies of peace in Bosnia from sabotaging the Dayton Agreement. We have seen your vision and commitment to excel as you sharpen your technological age to dominate the battlefields of the future. And perhaps most important, we see in the 12 outstanding Airmen of the Year the best traditions, the best hope and the brightest future of the Air Force -- the leadership and talent and dedication that make you second to none. I want you to know on behalf of all Americans, I am proud of them and proud of all of you who serve in the United States Air Force. (Applause.) To the pilots, the flight crews, the Red Horse engineers, the technicians, the security police, the space and missile operators -- all who contribute to the strength of America in the skies, and to all the families who support you, our nation is profoundly grateful. Today is a well-earned day of celebration for your golden legacy of achievement. But as you know better than anyone, there is never a day of rest. We pay tribute to the last 50 years with a determination to look to our Air Force men and women to help us meet the challenges of the next 50 years. We know we can always count on you; we always have. Aim high and reach for new horizons. Thank you, and God bless you all. (Applause.)

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