December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Article in the Guardian (UK) about Hal2 not bad ....
by piete.brooks＠cl.cam.ac.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 08:00:07 +0100 From: Piete Brooks <Piete.Brooks(a)cl.cam.ac.uk> An article by Azeem Azhar on page three of today's "The Guardian Online" (he tells me it is available only in paper form !) is fairly positive. He puts over the main point: "since US government regulations prevent the export of software that uses stronger cryptographic techniques".

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FVG ??
by Asgaard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.fvg.com In Santa Fe (?). What kind of joke is that? Is this what Java is for?? Asgaard

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Re: Whitehouse "dissident" and net monitoring
by hallam＠w3.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 11:18:14 -0400 From: hallam(a)w3.org >> >(4) Is the April 9 statement by David Lytel of the White House Office of >> > Science and Technology to Amy Bauer of Copley News Service that the >> > administration does not monitor anti-Clinton activity on the web still >> > operative? >Probably they do and they really should. If I was Mr. Clinton (which >I luckily am not) I would want my adjudats to prepare a report for >me each morning summing up all the possible comments round >subject Clinton and The USA from NET: That would be very precisious >source of feedback to finetune your acts. And that information >is real time. Nope they don't the Democratic party aides do that type of work from Democrat HQ. The President gets a once a week summary of all the mail he gets including the email. I think they also provide a daily press digest. By monitoring Lytel was probably thinking about installing net sniffers etc or obtaining the data from the FBI or whoever. I am certain he didn't mean to say that he does not surf the net ever and does not occasionaly visit opposition sites. The term monitor implies an organised search and continuous checking proceedure the number of hits cited sounds more like somone passed round the URL of a kook site inside the office. Phill

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ASN.1 AND KERBEROS VERSION 5
by jis＠mit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:55:38 -0400 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: jis(a)mit.edu (Jeffrey I. Schiller) Subject: ASN.1 and Kerberos version 5 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Perry E. Metzger writes: >I've heard people associated with the decision to use ASN.1 in >Kerberos V say it was a mistake. Frankly, I think ASN.1 is a blight >which should be exterminated from the planet. I'll say it. I was the person who pushed for the use of ASN.1 in Kerberos version 5. I had this disease at the time that made me think that ASN.1 was a good idea. I got better, unfortunately we have been living with the results of my braino for quite some time now... poor Ted. However, the problem with ASN.1 isn't its waste of space (which actually isn't that bad for a mechanism for encoding arbitrary objects). The problem is that it is the product of a standards making process that didn't (and doesn't) value interoperability. Adherence to the ISO specifications does not guarantee interoperation. Instead regional "workshops" negotiate aspects of implementations to obtain interoperation. What does this mean for ASN.1? It means that the definition of ASN.1 is a bit abstract (as its name implies). Problems result when two organizations (say MIT and OSF!) attempt to implement from the specification in ASN.1 but use different ASN.1 compilers and things then don't work. Arguments then ensue about whose compiler (or manually written parsing code) is "correct" in terms of doing the right thing with ASN.1. This is particularly so when using DER (for Distinquished Encoding Rules) which is itself an after-thought added to ASN.1 later in the process. It is required in order to verify digital signatures (which have to be computed on the "encoded" form of an object because there is no good way to calculate a signature on an "abstract" object). If the Kerberos specification said: "pub this byte here and that one there" none of these arguments and problems would happen. -Jeff -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMEiaf8UtR20Nv5BtAQFzNAP/Q/LuIMbxAPAp64Kn2PSPd600TYlRAUJh QbsuL/iRhGXWrxSjsFzkcr6e3sIpSFggxglFU38TJT/DG2AD8MOid3Uj4pRJVbyo z7Au0Vp1NiotmRBHq2udItzJ7LLPM0j38FHQenqPs9mkX2Cq5kVgGUBO94HabEuE S9XPCgV8E1Q= =kTyw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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GAK Hits
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Blasts of the GAK plot, maybe genuine, more likely appeals for be-quiet-honey NDA-money: http://jya.com/gak-news.txt

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RE: CRYPTOGRAPHY ELIMINATES LAWYERS?
by alano＠teleport.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 12:41:12 -0700 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: Alan Olsen <alano(a)teleport.com> Subject: Re: cryptography eliminates lawyers? At 02:44 PM 9/8/95 -0400, you wrote: >We wish! We really wish! "Fill that lawyer with a few more slugs of encryption!" The argument that encryption will free us from all the legal ills of the world is pretty specious. If anything it will make more work for lawyers as the non-clue-endowed portion of the world tries to come to terms with the new technology. They will make rules and subsets of rules and exeptions to rules and variations to interpetations of rules that will make the current set look like the rules to "chutes and ladders". Part of the job of the lawyer class is to guarentee the existance of work for other lawyers (as well as themselves). It does not depend on what the medium of exchange is. Lawyers and government forces will try and figure out some way to try and extract it from you. The government is trying very hard to keep any scrap of power from creeping away from them. You can bet that they will try every thing they can think of, rational and irrational, to regulate and control the wilds of cyberspace. They will pump up every imaginary boogieman to help them get the public to swallow what they are fed. By the time they figure out they have been had, it will be too late. Cypherpunks must be the syrup of ipecac to the governments dose of poison to the body politic! (I need to start drinking more coffee in the morning. I cannot believe I wrote that...) Unfortunatly the public does not thrive on logic. They had been trained to react emotionally to things and not react logically. I am not certain what can be used to get them to realize why they need encryption. Dispelling the bogeymen is none need. The other thing is that the tools need to be made as simple as possible. The current tools for use require a fair bit of technical understanding. Until they have an integrated front-end that makes it about as easy to use as America On-Line, encryption will not gain widespread usage. This is the type of code that needs to be written. Making integrated tools like newsreaders and mail programs that support strong encryption directly is what is needed for widespread use. (As well as being usable programs in and of themselves. Many of the programs for news and mail are crap.) Making cryptography a "cool and fun thing to use" will help dispell many of the myths and may help to defuse the government created bogey men. (Of course they will claim that it aids "criminals and terrorists", but to them EVERYONE is a criminal and a terrorist.) | Visualize whirled keys | alano(a)teleport.com | |"It's only half a keyserver. I had to split the | Disclaimer: | |other half with the government man." - Black Art | Ignore the man | | -- PGP 2.6.2 key available on request -- | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano | <fnord> |

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SMART CARDS, CREDIT CARDS, PAYMENT SYSTEMS
by anonymous＠freezone.remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:14:45 -0400 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: anonymous(a)freezone.remailer Subject: Smart Cards, Credit cards, Payment systems URL: http://www.dice.ucl.ac.be/~dhem/card.html Smart Cards, Credit cards, Payment systems. This page is under development. _________________________________________________________________ Card Europe DigiCash MasterCard Futur 1 , 2 Virtual Open Network Environment (V-ONE) MONDEX AT&T and GiroVend agree to promote smart card applications AT&T Universal Card Services ATT buyinfo ibd.ar.com/lists/comp/cypherpunks Discussions, mailing lists, and sites , Payment mechanisms designed for the Internet News items on information technology (Not especially Smart Cards) Electronic Cash, Tokens and Payments in the National Information Infrastructure Forum On Risks To The Public In Computers And Related Systems (ACM) The Risks Digest Volume 4: Issue 32 The Risks Digest Volume 15 The Risks Digest Volume 16 SMI Finger Check -- Fingerprint Verifier DIGITAL SRC Research Reports Authentication and Delegation with Smart-cards Innovonics QC consultancy University of Wollongong: Centre for Computer Security Research SecureWare, Inc. OKI Telecom (Smart) Cards Museum (big) Buying Prepaid Calling Card S. Brands Cyberbank '95 Electronic benefits transfer (EBT) in US NCSA/DTIC Security Seminar Power Broker First Union Corp. will offer stored-payment ''smart cards'' Network Payment Mechanisms and Digital Cash PCMCIA Cards THE PREPAID & RECHARGEABLE PHONE CARD Cardservice International _________________________________________________________________ UCL crypto group _________________________________________________________________ Last update: 11 September 1995. Send any comment to: Dhem(a)dice.ucl.ac.be (J.-F. Dhem)

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by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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PHIL ZIMMERMANN/AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL?
by gjeffers＠socketis.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 02:16:20 -0500 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: gjeffers(a)socketis.net (Gary Jeffers) Subject: Phil Zimmermann/Amnesty International? Phil Zimmermann/Amnesty International? I was wondering if the Zimmermann case would be a proper concern of Amnesty International. Phil is obviously a political dissident. His persecution is obviously political. If Phil got support from Amnesty Int'l, then his persecution could be a big embarrassment to the Federal gov't. He has a lot of supporters and taking up his cause could be a big promotional for Amnesty International. The Feds might feel forced to drop the matter early. Any ideas? Gary Jeffers

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No Subject
by mr.xxx＠ce.flashnet.it 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 21:00:32 +0200 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com From: Pasquale Piombino <mr.xxx(a)ce.flashnet.it> Hi all, I am searching PGP software. Does anyone know where I can download it? Thanks for answers. -+-+------------------->->--------------------------------:-Q------------ =B0 Pasquale Piombino | | Via Colombo, 35 Email: mr.xxx(a)ce.flashnet.it =B0 =B0 I-81100 CASERTA Phone - Fax: 0039 823 329152 | | ITALY =B0 +-+-------------8-)---------------------:-))-----------------:-o---------

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