December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Encouraging News - France
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I should've added to my last post that not only am I skeptical that citizens in France will be able to use truly strong, unbreakable crypto, but that the "encouraging news" is quite likely just the opposite. No solution which involves key escrow or "mandatory voluntary" key recovery is "encouraging." The French do not have a solid basis for protection of free speech, as the United States (mostly) does. We Americans can point to the First Amendment and pretty much nuke any proposals to place prior restraint on the forms or content of speech, including the languages we speak to each other in, whether Navaho, Urdu, or PGP. This is why so many of us are opposed to SAFE, which for the sake of eased export requirements would infringe on domestic use of crypto. (By felonizing crypto use in conjunction with a crime, and that crime could be any one of thousands of crimes on the books.) So, I doubt strongly the news out of France is "encouraging." Rather, I expect France is about to fall into line with the OECD agreements on escrowed encryption. As so many Cypherpunks apparently like to say, "Feh." --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Encouraging News - France
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From <http://www.ft.com/hippocampus/8e46a.htm> >Encryption technology: French boost for internet software >MONDAY SEPTEMBER 1 1997 >By Andrew Jack in Paris >France is poised to liberalise regulations on computer encryption >technology which could boost its efforts to encourage development of the >internet. >The government is shortly to publish an official decree which would for >the first time allow easy access to and use of software which encodes >sensitive information in order to protect it from unauthorised >interception. >The move could prove especially important for companies attempting to >sell products and services over the internet, but which have been >concerned about their protection of credit card numbers and other >financial information provided by their customers. > >France remains one of the few western countries to impose such >restrictive legislation on encryption, with only certain categories of >users currently allowed to use the software. >Other nations which continue to restrict the use of cryptography tightly >in order to control the transfer of sensitive information include Iraq, >Libya, Singapore and China. >While many more countries - including EU member states and the US - >restrict the export of sophisticated encryption technology as a product >important to national security, most have more liberal guidelines >concerning the circulation and application of software within their own >borders. >The new decree in France follows a 1996 telecommunications regulation >law, which opened the way to liberalisation of encryption software but >which has so far not led to publication of any details of how the >measures could be applied. >The latest move comes after Lionel Jospin, the prime minister, made a >speech last week highlighting the "delay" in France of uptake of the >internet and promising initiatives to give it a higher priority. >--------- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys - Send Email Subject "Get PGP Key" "One of the deep mysteries to me is our logo, the symbol of lust and knowledge, bitten into, all crossed with in the colors of the rainbow in the wrong order. You couldn't dream of a more appropriate logo: lust, knowledge, hope, and anarchy." -- Gassee - Apple Logo

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17 Dec '03

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Information
by Harry Regan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Information, please! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:23 AM 8/29/97 +1000, you wrote: >The aol idiots are a joke right ?? Someone keeps faking the address ?? > >Or are aol'ers this stupid ?? If they are faking, it's a nice forgery. But I doubt it. AOLers are usually this dumb, while for some odd reasons, some smart AOLers exist. Of course, consider they aren't too smart if they stick with an Orwellian online service that treats it's customers like shit. AOLers, Rennie, are kinda like newborns, they make a hell of a lot of noise, but they don't know too much.

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Re: Encouraging News - France
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > >I should've added to my last post that not only am I skeptical that >citizens in France will be able to use truly strong, unbreakable crypto, >but that the "encouraging news" is quite likely just the opposite. > >No solution which involves key escrow or "mandatory voluntary" key recovery >is "encouraging." Tim's nailed this. Expect the US, and other Wassenaar signators, to announce similar regulations ostensibly in support of privacy and commerce that will include GAK to assure public and national security. This is House National Security Committee chair Solomon's position, the next stop for SAFE, and as TM notes, where it will be further eviscerated to fit TLA requirements. This is the public policy agenda of the McCain-Kerry Bill. This is BXA's goal in the current draft regs circulating for comment, and probably what's coming in the Wassenaar implementation, while it engenders complicity from commercial license seekers with one-by-one approvals. This is DoJ's argument in Bernstein for controlling object code while avowing total support for academic freedom and freedom to publish print in deference to the 1st Amend. It looks as though the fall crypto campaign is about to open with a rush, worldwide. Stories being fed to journalists, draft regs being dealt to collaborators, license approvals for sure bettors. Up-yours to all the rest who don't want to, in smooth-tongue Stewart Baker's phrase, "French kiss NSA/BXA."

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rabid Wombat wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Anonymous wrote: > > > "Smak" delivered an encrypted CD containing over 100,000 stolen > > credit card numbers. After the validity of the credit card information > > was confirmed through decryption of the data on the CD, "Smak" was > > taken into custody by the FBI. > > > > And the 100,000 people were immediately notified that their credit > > cards had been compromised? I fucking doubt it. Better to screw over > > 100,000 citizen-units than expose the incompetence of a few companies > > and the government's fight against strong encryption and computer > > security. > > I was recently notified by a bank that issued one of my credit cards that > my card number had been sold, along with thousands of other account > numbers, to an undercover FBI agent. The bank canceled my account, opened > a new one, and overnighted a replacement card. No big deal, and no loss > to me. > > OTOH, it *might* have been in response to a different incident. Keep > those paranoid rants coming. Why don't you tell us the name of the company that has such lousy computer security that your credit was placed in jepoardy, so that we can decide if we want to avoid doing business with them? RantMonger

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Re: Elliptic Curve Public Key Crypto available
by danisch＠ira.uka.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Available anywhere outside the escrowed country ?

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Phil Zimmermann/Amnesty International?
by gjeffers＠socketis.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Phil Zimmermann/Amnesty International? I was wondering if the Zimmermann case would be a proper concern of Amnesty International. Phil is obviously a political dissident. His persecution is obviously political. If Phil got support from Amnesty Int'l, then his persecution could be a big embarrassment to the Federal gov't. He has a lot of supporters and taking up his cause could be a big promotional for Amnesty International. The Feds might feel forced to drop the matter early. Any ideas? Gary Jeffers

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