December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

anti-CDA graphic
by David K. Merriman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've put Gordon Campbell's anti-CDA graphic up on the CP ftp site, in the incoming directory. File name is nobabies.jpg Dave Merriman------------------------------------------------------------- "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error." Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954), U.S. Judge <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> My web page: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1148

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Re: digital cash &c.
by Jordan Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> it _is_ anonymous ... And then: > can be refilled at ATMs You make a deposit or something? How does the transaction clear? When they finally look in the envelope, they credit the card? Or do you mean just 'anonymous' between the user and the merchant? /jordan

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Re: Reasons in support of crypto-anarchy WAS Re: Why am I wrong?
by lunaslide＠loop.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 03:43 AM 2/7/96 -0800, lunaslide(a)loop.com wrote: >> Now, in respose to Mr. Bell. As I stated above, I found your proposal >> [assasination politics] absolutely facinating, to say the least. >> [...] >> However, I must point out, and I'm sure you realize this, that it would not >> be adopted by the public at large for some time to come, or more likely >> never. There are too many people who believe that it is wrong to take a >> life for any reason and that no action justifies death. > >This, of course, explains why war is impossible these days and why the public >is outraged whenever the government executes a murderer. > > :-) A good point, however, people do get the strange idea that killing someone in war is not murder. They also get the idea that when the govt. executes someone, that that is also not murder. I know that that is a personal opinion, but I know also that I am not alone in my belief and to overcome the number of people who agree with me to make a system such as Mr. Bells' feasable would not be possible (I hope!) If such system did succeed, the citizens who spoke out against it on an ethical basis would find themselves targets! I do hope that those who do agree with the death penalty are not so callous that they would execute their fellow citizens for disagreeing with them. We are, after all, fellow citizens of this country. We would be right back to where we started, an Orwellian society living in the face of fear for what we believe, and that is *not* freedom. Respectfully, Jeff Conn lunaslide On the meridian of time there is no injustice, only the poetry of motion creating the illusion of truth and drama. Henry Miller -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQBvAzD3EHEAAAEDAMVwZzXozPjX18mCenA5fJsdWZXcrhJCxPR+SoVCmR7d4ZVU mwITzPTHo/GyLvJrWyk5YdhheczyY2VSawaMrCN/nWA7K9lwAylbKyPxqBhRYJ3C 2wi2uD5LY2wypNOQyQARAQABtB5KZWZmIENvbm4gPGx1bmFzbGlkZUBsb29wLmNv bT6JAHUDBRAw+1bqS2NsMqTTkMkBAQkTAwCersFbCyk8O0MbGlNcZDAe24CLEWQ0 0C5EHni33W76UsG1bybcLsuMH6HVwLF7IqZivnzc7wkujYPQvCqn8HEYYTld8V9V Cou4dOvA8kV7rHvAn/LuLx7DRruLFrRoPSk= =OIT9 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Need a "warning" graphic of some kind for CDA
by tomservo＠access.digex.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 01:48 PM 2/4/96 EST, Greg Broiles wrote: >How about the circle-slash "no" symbol superimposed on the Constitution? Hmm, I kind of went the other way. I have a gif of a baby carriage in the standard red circle and slash. Anyone who wants it, feel free to use it. Resize it, reshape it, share it with your friends. (I feel much better about buying all that clip art now.) It's at: http://www.access.digex.net/~tomservo/gif/no_kids.gif Other suggestions? Feel free to e-mail me. I'll dig up what I can. (Next up: the "PGP-friendly" logo. . .) Scott -- Scott Fabbri tomservo(a)access.digex.net Later. Later. I'm watching hockey. Finger for PGP key.

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Re: Dealing with Credit Reporting Agencies...
by btmoore＠iquest.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09:31 AM 2/5/96 -0600, Karl Ike wrote: >Attila: I'm not in the business of running or hiding. I'm just an average, >everyday working guy that doesn't like credit reporting agencies, what they >stand for or what they do for money. I didn't say that I was going to do >this. I just had the idea! I don't have the knowledge or the money to spend. >That doesn't mean that there is someone out there that would jump at the idea. > >I just don't like the idea that these assholes know more about me than my >mother and sell my private and personal information to anyone for big bucks. >My credit is fine, just ask my banker or better yet, my mom. > >I am assumming that you know far more people on the internet since I have >only been on for a month and have done three e-mail. I'm just suggesting to >get the idea out and someone will take the ball and run. Yes, they will be a >hunted man, but not a US citizen. Someone out there with a laptop and a >cellular, living on a cruise ship, just may enjoy the idea. > >Just me, Karl Well Karl, It seems I missed your idea/solution in this post, however, some of us figured this out some years ago... I begin a campaign almost 10 years ago of feeding the computers false information about myself. I never use the Social Insecurity Number assigned to me... I don't even give it to the Bank. This makes for some rather dicey situations. I rarely use my real name or give out my real phone number. At this point in my life... I have *NO* credit history. I currently have *NO* bank account. My goal is to be completely invisible to the system. Yes I have had a few glitches in this plan from time to time... but I continue to work on it. I just have never felt warm and fuzzy knowing that any government agency, business, or whoever can get my personal information off a computer could come knock on my door some dark night. If you're interested in fortifying your privacy, I can give you a few pointers. 1.) Go to your local DMV and inform them you've had a change of address. I selected a high rise apartment building with 15 floors and selected an address on a non-existant 23rd floor. Getting your Driver's License address changed should cost less than $10.00. 2.) Go find a company like "Mail Boxes Etc." and rent a mailbox. The cost is nominal compared to the added privacy and security. The distinction between a mailbox and a Post Office Box is with a mailbox you have an actual street address. You can receive deliveries from UPS and Federal Express at a mailbox. You can't at a P.O. Box. 3.) This part requires some skill... befriending a graphic artist is a good idea for this one. But what you need is a phony work identification. Pick a name! A couple of "Pass Port Photos" and some lamination and you're good to go. 4.) Take your new persona down to your local utility companies and get the serv- ice switched to the name of your new persona. Even get your phone switched and have the number non-published. You'll be pleasantly surprised from now on, everytime your phone rings, it will be someone you really want to talk to. 5.) Go down to your local Post Office and file a change of address form. Use the address of your mailbox. Remember, most companies that provide Mailbox service, will need to see your drivers license... which of course now has a non-existant address on it. You can take this as far as you want... Just doing these 5 things will give you a sense of comfort and security you've probably not had in a long time. How does this fit into cyperpunks and encryption? The philosophy is the same! What good is it encrypting your messages to ensure your privacy when everything else is exposed! It's a lot like an Ostrich burying his head in the sand to hide, but leaving all his good parts exposed! Benjamin T. Moore, Jr. btmoore(a)iquest.net (Jian #AJF IRChat) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMRlexoSAJOVFNaChAQFBCQf8Drm04x2YT5gZb8cklwep1eBVKxOMyVzn /ZN3Tk+lKT05CAT0TCmHm+8oztqxWhgjMklYT228C5u4zvaF8ZrYvLxMp7RQPHvK D2fSKdMGMs+pPvJxPUC5UXssoIsBS0W+i4dO5jDIj/MkXM4JFHsDHvFqr9Q7FqwE Xr75lHjiNP4Gcv06WkVpJewJMaflP5zcrSam577/fbbCkYM6e4nhQPGdqdi83txM hzvCs8cHalPa9UJGuSbIZObe1fAUkQMsVqEomXe5HuBzukJigwdqj4IK9SJixTVx m0Fxf/W74j4lS1TXpqjCQoSD4EPRAleCYR6SFbqV/p0/cMYqv6kErA== =4HYS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Reasons in support of crypto-anarchy WAS Re: Why am I (fwd)
by lunaslide＠loop.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>jim bell writes: >[More Junk] > >Look folks, I'm really sick about the debate about Jim's ideas about >"assassination politics". (My opinion about the idea isn't >transmittable under the Exon law so I couldn't say anything anyway). > >This has gone off into political theory. Could we take it to private >mail or some such? I think that it poses serious questions about anonymity and cryptography and their uses, therefore it is a viable topic. Just rm it if you don't want to read about it. lunaslide On the meridian of time there is no injustice, only the poetry of motion creating the illusion of truth and drama. Henry Miller -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQBvAzD3EHEAAAEDAMVwZzXozPjX18mCenA5fJsdWZXcrhJCxPR+SoVCmR7d4ZVU mwITzPTHo/GyLvJrWyk5YdhheczyY2VSawaMrCN/nWA7K9lwAylbKyPxqBhRYJ3C 2wi2uD5LY2wypNOQyQARAQABtB5KZWZmIENvbm4gPGx1bmFzbGlkZUBsb29wLmNv bT6JAHUDBRAw+1bqS2NsMqTTkMkBAQkTAwCersFbCyk8O0MbGlNcZDAe24CLEWQ0 0C5EHni33W76UsG1bybcLsuMH6HVwLF7IqZivnzc7wkujYPQvCqn8HEYYTld8V9V Cou4dOvA8kV7rHvAn/LuLx7DRruLFrRoPSk= =OIT9 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Re: Need a "warning" graphic of some kind for CDA
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

About all the proposed symbols and logos and ribbons.... I realize I often come across as a naysayer against collective efforts to design logos, arm patches, flags, and other such tribal insignias...(:-}). Logos and symbols have their place. The "Big Brother Inside" logo is a good joke. But mainly I think that we underestimate the value of _words_. Instead of some cutesy logo, such as a red rose being run over by the "Valdez," a logo which many people would not understand and would not be interested in looking up an explanation for, why not simply include a couple of English sentances _describing_ why the page has been censored, why adult material has been removed, etc.? (This is the norm today, and I'm glad of it. I don't relish looking at a Web page filled with inscrutably clever icons and logos.) Graphical icons are great, and worked well until writing was invented. --Tim May Boycott espionage-enabled software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 - 1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Assassination Politics--isn't it gambling?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 06:00 PM 2/6/96 PST, banelaw(a)med.com wrote: >Jim: as to "Assassination Politics." Isn't the structure you describe >gambling? Placing money on a prediction, with the correct predictor >winning? I guess that depends on the laws, doesn't it? <G> Seriously, though, since all the participants are anonymous, and it can all be done from overseas... Somehow, though, I think politicians will take little solace from knowing that they are protected from death only by laws against gambling. > And if so, isn't it illegal if done over the wires, i.e., federal >commerce? I'm not looking for a way to declare your scheme illegal, I'm >just pointing out that there are other angles, especially if done over the >wires. I'd sure like to read a serious legal analysis of all this. Maybe all the lawyers are too terrified to respond. > I guess you could move the structure off shore--pity the poor country >hosting such an entity! If you were at all succesfull, the server accepting >digital cash would be moving from place to place--remember pirate radio? Presumably, the digital cash could be encrypted with the organization's private key, and published (anonymously) on a USENET area, in a way which is untraceable and unidentifiable. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com Klaatu Burada Nikto Something is going to happen. Something.......Wonderful! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMRlnY/qHVDBboB2dAQHJcQP/T8u6c5K3Idb5K8/ztBJWSqTQBPmvMlpR y4GlRgOyIn11jnMX60p7ffselQwSF8mxM3BJv4O2ODr/KWwACeQoK9svWW30xSyF 0eSuFzHvOfrZLW3xvpTo1mMoxRCtYeUQZLZGLvU2G99P6GeWCPRhWbFfTQ1Q6aen yiEOvB/DfUs= =Aj2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Electronic Grille Cipher?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:16 PM 2/6/96 EDT, E. ALLEN SMITH wrote: > I had a similar idea a bit back, and Lewis/Futplex kindly referred me >to some parts of the Archives discussing it. However, the main objection to >this idea was that the cops would just do a search warrant for the second group >of information. My solution to this is to have quite a few groups of >information, which would admittedly make the spacing problem a bit hard. >The following might be an example for someone of such a scheme: > [comparatively innocent stuff deleted] >G. Your plans to violently overthrow the government (don't give). Hmmmm... That's odd. I spam this stuff on USENET and FIDOnet <GGG>

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Re: cipherpunk mail at Netcom.com
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:06 PM 2/4/96 -0800, Norman Hardy wrote: >The list of addressees is made from the "From" fields that include >"netcom.com" in CP mail that appeared on the CP list Tuesday and Wednesday >last week. I have received no CP mail since then. Have you? Now that dam seems to have broken (I have received over 250 messages in the last four hours), perhaps I can ask, "What Happened?". I, along with Norm and Lucky received no Cypherpunks traffic for about a week from Februrary 1 to February 7. During this period, we could not get response from majordomo(a)toad.com. I asked a friend in the east to ping toad.com and request "help" from majordomo(a)toad.com. He did and reported no problems with either test. I have sent a request to Netcom support for help with this problem, but their automatic responder says the have a 2 week backlog of email! :-(. Perhaps I will get some information from them in a few weeks. I have two questions: (1) Did people who are not at netcom.com or ix.netcom.com experience this outage? (2) Did people who ARE at netcom.com or ix.netcom.com receive the normal level of traffic during this period? Please respond by private email and I will summarize for the list. I my more paranoid moments, I wonder if this a practice denial of service attack. In any case, perhaps this post will explain some of the strange posts we have been sending to cypherpunks this last week. My appologies for the noise. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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