December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

New Eternity Server?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > Or to express things more elliptically. It pays to be Young. Is there an eternity server named "Forever Young?" Perhaps someone should start one up, and use it a place to send posts that don't really belong on any particular mailing list, because no one can quite figure out what they mean, but should be available to read somewhere, because they clearly say something that it is important to know, but nobody can quite figure out what it is. The web site could carry a "Je Ne Sais Quois" rating. JeNeSaisQuoisMonger

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$50,000 IN 30 days, guaranteed!
by biz4uin97＠compuserve.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: You really do want to volunteer, don't you? (fwd)
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >>>This was an actual case, heard by the Supreme Court several years back. Bus >>>passengers were given the opportunity to volunteer, as noted. Failure to >>>volunteer was construed as probable cause that contraband was present. >>> >>>(No, I don't know the name of the case. My recollection is that it took >>>place in Florida or one of the Carolinas. Nor do I recollect how the >>>Supremes decided the case... >> >>This sounds like _Florida v. Bostick_, 501 U.S. 429 (1991), on the web at >><http://www.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=501&invol >>=429>. >> >>Bill Stewart's summary of the case looked like a good one to me. >[...] > >One strategy I've considered is to never, never, ever admit that I don't >know something, as this will forestall the corrections, expansions, >clarifications, and citings. One of the things that is - or can be - useful about a cross-disciplinary list like cpunks is that it's possible to read messages written by people who appear to have knowledge about other unfamiliar-to-the-reader fields, and have some confidence that the author isn't completely screwing up what they're writing about, because other list members are likely to speak up and say "Hey, you're not really getting that right..". I provided a case cite and agreed with Bill Stewart's reframing of the issues in the _Bostick_ case not because I imagined that it was especially interesting to you (Tim), but because I think we all lose out when bad information (like, for example, the idea that _Bostick_ is about probable cause, or that it held that failure to volunteer constitutes probable cause) is circulated, especially by people who are otherwise credible authors/speakers. A more useful way to avoid corrections/citations/clarifications might be simply getting the details correct in the first place. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto.

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WIPO Implementing Legislation
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: kaye(a)popd.ix.netcom.com X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 14:22:54 -0700 To: From: Kaye Caldwell <KCaldwell(a)commerce.net> Subject: WIPO Implementing Legislation Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: member-sponsored-owner(a)commerce.net Precedence: bulk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ This message was addressed to: member-sponsored(a)lists.commerce.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ TO: CommerceNet Members A member company has asked that we consider whether CommerceNet joins in the concern, as expressed by the Online Banking Association, that some provisions of HR 2281, the legislation implementing the WIPO treaties, undermine the objectives of the SAFE bill and have a negative effect on the development of encryption technologies. Specifically their concern is that Section 1201(a) will effectively prohibit encryption research and development in that it prohibits the manufacture and use of decryption technologies, which are used to test encryption technologies and make them more secure. They suggest that section (a) needs to be redrafted to prohibit the use of decryption technology to obtain unauthorized access to encryption works. My recommendation is that CommerceNet join in this concern and the recommendation for resolving it. Please let me know if your companies have any objection to CommerceNet doing so. Additional background information is available below. - Kaye Caldwell CommerceNet Policy Director ================= Background Information ========================== For reference, HR 2281 is available at: ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/c105/h2281.ih.txt Section 1201(a) states: `(a) VIOLATIONS REGARDING CIRCUMVENTION OF TECHNOLOGICAL PROTECTION MEASURES- (1) No person shall circumvent a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. `(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof that-- `(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; `(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or `(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person for use in circumventing a technological protection measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. `(3) As used in this subsection-- `(A) to `circumvent a technological protection' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological protection measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and `(B) a technological protection measure `effectively controls access to a work' if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work. ============= End of Background Information ========================== =================================== Kaye Caldwell, Policy Director CommerceNet http://www.Commerce.net E-mail: KCaldwell(a)Commerce.net Phone: (408) 479-8743 Fax: (408) 479-9247 =================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent by a majordomo-based automatic list manager. Subscriptions to and archives of this list are available to CommerceNet members, partners, and invited guests. For further information send a mail message to 'member-sponsored-request(a)lists.commerce.net' with 'help' (no quotations) contained in the body of your message. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: U.S. Refugees Flee to Germany
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 9:46 AM 8/28/1997, Tim May wrote: >At 8:20 AM -0700 8/28/97, Anonymous wrote: >>~Now, the pages are back online on a small server in Germany. Organizers >>of the site are raising funds to purchase their own direct connection to >>the Net. However they don't want their computer to be in the US-- but >>not because they plan to violate any US laws. "We are very nervous >>about being here," says Jim Finn, who helps run the Free Spirits, "if >>the government is going to use underhanded tactics to intimidate our >>providers and possibly confiscate our equipment." In the course of >>investigations, police frequently seize computers that they never >>return, even when they file no charges. >> >> Perhaps Germany should start building refugee camps for American >>homosexuals, Jews, and producers of strong encryption. >... > >I assume this is a joke, as Germany is one of the last places one would >choose for a censorship-free site! This should be a good candidate for the Eternity service. They aren't in the search engines yet. Anybody know how to reach them? >But I'll contact Jim Finn about hosting my "The So-Called Holocaust" Web >page, which explains how the International Jew Conspiracy has succeeded in >convincing the gullible that Jews were persecuted in the WW II, when all >right-thinking Aryans know full well that they were coddled and rewarded >and given choice vacation spots in "the East." >Free Spirits should be an ideal host for this material. Another good candidate for the Eternity service. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html "I AM a number! I am a free man!" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNAduupaWtjSmRH/5AQG/UQf7B+lpgip1gRLAduUrvOML3IyUbeYXQRQN WIkjupsjsnQzoJ3E26WSpbNKxaNaEgl5a3gtO2n+Ensu5u2pPjkRSANLOebANZbD np+OcKo9EcZhRcC3hPUho/M+2YaqwnUwfXs+qrzdSoRCCNzMEMjkFwAhrVyhT0t/ XeB9CBcZWNKMpV9Ty3TDhr9QIOUBy8XyLQBrMNkn8T06tzoND7Ts5v3AWzRY1dGU +vO/nwpHAu974JG4tWy2imeMzgApYVqg+wvK/8JO/YH9M9ig78ywAI6+IqebhqpU yPbs88SaKYeSt7+uEEYTQXX0W1sTy8CdOpaiiFoopOaEYh2nO8SwFQ== =pBPi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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Re: Things we should be working on...
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:58 AM 9/2/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: ... >2. A usable form of Chaum's cash, a la Goldberg's or Schear's or Back's or >whomever's implementation. An evolution of Magic Money, Hashcash, etc., >using full strength algorithms. Backing can be decentralized. Less emphasis >on deals with banks, more emphasis on guerilla deployment, a la PGP. > >(Initial uses may be for illegal things, which may be a good thing for >deployment. Sex, for example, historically drives technologies like this. >Thus, one might imagine combining blinded (no puns, please) cash with >message pools to allow users to anonymously purchase JPEG images and have >the resultant images placed in a pool for their later browsing. If done on >a per image basis, for small amounts of digital cash, this could help users >get their feet wet and gain familiarity. Integration into browsers would >help.) ... How about this. The barter economy has predated the artificial construct that we know as money. It even predates the use of precious metals, which are pretty worthless for most uses. Get some non bank supporters to accept "coupons" for thier merchandise. At first, this could easily be information based. Make the "coupons" work on all of this initial merchandise, which can be sold again and again, so there's no great loss to the supporters. Granted, this brings us back to a form of money, but one based on commodies as opposed to worthless yellow metal that is only sought after because it doesn't corrode and is soft enough to work, (ignoring electronics, dental, and stained glass as more recent developments for the shiny stuff.) If PGP could be registered with a certain amount of these units, the same with other crypto applications, all the better. If people want this money, they can call up their friendly neighborhood software salesman and buy it knowing full well that if they ever want to, they can always trade it back for a good "DOOM97 Hell Freezes Over" game. They can take these signed DoomDollars to a moneychanger web site to change it for PGPdollars, BorlandBucks, BlowfishClams and Kongbucks, all at the current rate of change. Just a stream of thought. Maybe useful, maybe not.

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Death Pictures of Diana on InterNet!!!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Made you look! "We have met the public, and he is _us_." UsMonger

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RE: Information
by Arturo Grapa Ysunza 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > >>Dave K-P <k.p(a)snet.net> writes: >> >>>> > > > Information, please! >>>> > > Dont go swimming on a full stomach. >>>> > Don't "escrow" your keys. >>>> Don't take advice from strangers. >>>Don't ask, don't tell. >>Don't eat yellow snow. >DonŽt spit, just swallow. >

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Re: 35,000,000 People...
by staff＠mailcorporation.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RC2,RC4,CDMF algorithm
by nobuki nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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