December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Doomsaying, development, and deployment
by Amanda Walker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A number of people have been saying things that amount to "imminent death of the Cypherpunks mailing list predicted, film at 11." Well, folks, if it dies, it will be the fault of those who just pick up their toys and go home. There's been a fair amount of discontent here in the the last year. I don't think it's a matter of any one flameful discussion (of which many have gone by recently). Rather, I think it's a matter of frustration. PGP has acheived a fair amount of recognition in the user community at large, and lately even in the mainstream press. However, beyond PGP and some anonymous remailers, there's not a lot else out there. There won't *be* anything unless we build it. No one's going to come riding in on his white horse to hand us crypto-security. We all agree we need better tools, and that everyone else needs better tools before they'll start adopting the technology we so fiercely believe can save us from the erosion of our civil liberty and personal privacy. So let's build those tools. Strange as it may seem, I actually have to weigh in on the side of Netscape in some of the arguments that have come by in the last week or so. They are building stuff, after all. That's better than most of the people on this list, from what I can tell. To put my money where my mouth is, I'll shut up completely until I can post an announcement of some useful crypto tool. It might be commercial, but it might be free--my employer does occasionally agree to give stuff away for the good of the Internet. Amanda Walker InterCon Systems Corporation

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail, which is available at: ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/premail/premail-0.30.tar.gz For the PGP public keys of the remailers, as well as some help on how to use them, finger remailer.help.all(a)chaos.bsu.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"vox"} = "<remail(a)vox.xs4all.nl> cpunk pgp. post"; $remailer{"avox"} = "<anon(a)vox.hacktic.nl> cpunk pgp post"; $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)extropia.wimsey.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"portal"} = "<hfinney(a)shell.portal.com> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"alumni"} = "<hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"bsu-cs"} = "<nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu> cpunk hash ksub"; $remailer{"rebma"} = "<remailer(a)rebma.mn.org> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"jpunix"} = "<remailer(a)jpunix.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash"; $remailer{"soda"} = "<remailer(a)csua.berkeley.edu> eric post"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"ideath"} = "<remailer(a)ideath.goldenbear.com> cpunk hash ksub"; $remailer{"usura"} = "<usura(a)replay.com> cpunk pgp. hash latent cut post"; $remailer{"desert"} = "<remail(a)desert.xs4all.nl> cpunk pgp. post"; $remailer{"nately"} = "<remailer(a)nately.ucsd.edu> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"xs4all"} = "<remailer(a)xs4all.nl> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<tomaz(a)flame.sinet.org> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"rahul"} = "<homer(a)rahul.net> cpunk"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)nately.ucsd.edu> cpunk hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"q"} = "<q(a)c2.org> cpunk hash latent cut ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. Last ping: Mon 19 Dec 94 6:00:03 PST remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- usura usura(a)replay.com +***++*+**** 7:47 99.99% alumni hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu *+*****+**** 4:24 99.99% c2 remail(a)c2.org +++-+++++-++ 41:24 99.99% penet anon(a)anon.penet.fi *****+*+**** 29:39 99.99% nately remailer(a)nately.ucsd.edu ++++++.+++++ 1:29:04 99.99% portal hfinney(a)shell.portal.com ************ 2:19 99.99% flame tomaz(a)flame.sinet.org ***+-++**+* 8:57 99.99% ideath remailer(a)ideath.goldenbear.com *-*++**+**** 11:44 99.97% bsu-cs nowhere(a)bsu-cs.bsu.edu -**++******* 5:59 99.96% mix mixmaster(a)nately.ucsd.edu **+++*.+++++ 1:26:32 99.96% desert remail(a)desert.xs4all.nl .--------.-- 14:21:48 99.99% jpunix remailer(a)jpunix.com ** +-++**+* 8:35 99.78% q q(a)c2.org *-+--++ 49:41 99.79% vox remail(a)vox.xs4all.nl --..-----. 17:07:50 99.99% rahul homer(a)rahul.net ****** ****+ 10:59 99.50% soda remailer(a)csua.berkeley.edu ._........ 10:05:18 99.41% xs4all remailer(a)xs4all.nl ****+ +**** 8:09 99.10% rebma remailer(a)rebma.mn.org *---___..-.- 30:10:54 82.77% extropia remail(a)extropia.wimsey.com -.-+ 5:00:06 27.26% For more info: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). Options and features cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. oldpgp Remailer does not like messages encoded with MIT PGP 2.6. Other versions of PGP, including 2.3a and 2.6ui, work fine. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. ek Encrypt responses in relpy blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. Comments and suggestions welcome! Raph Levien

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Secure Phone software
by xpat＠vm1.spcs.umn.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 18 Dec 1994, Philip Zimmermann wrote: > I'm trying to come up with a name for the secure phone software I'm > planning on releasing. The software would turn any multimedia PC > into a secure phone. OK, how about: IronClad StonePhone BuzzOff SpeakEasy SpeakFreely BlackHole BlackPipe SecurePipe MYOB (Mind Your Own Business, in the spirit of PGP) Wall To Wall (WTW) <--this gets my vote ---------------------------------------------------------------------- P M Dierking xpat(a)vm1.spcs.umn.edu |

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Name that phone
by blancw＠pylon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

MMPCPGPVSP ( MultiMedia PC PGP-Voice-Secure Phone ) PGVEPCP ( Pretty Good Voice Encryped PC Phone ) Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Blanc

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NONE
by nobody＠rebma.rebma.mn.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Matthew Ghio, You've done a great job in the past and continue to do so, but for the past week some (all?) of your users have not been getting any mail. What happened? Post to cypherpunks, remailer-operators, alt.privacy or alt.anonymous.messages, alt.abuse.recovery (either one. You choose). Thanks. END

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MacPGP
by norm＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now I have something nice to say about MacPGP: It can take its input and output from the clip board. This makes it about half as much work as it was before. Look in "Dialog Shortcuts" under the "Options" menu.

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Name that phone (fwd)
by skaplin＠skypoint.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <m0rJY60-0002N6C(a)maalox.ppgs.com>, you wrote: > I like 2 or 3. Does anyone want to suggest other names, or vote for > which of these is better? Send your replies to prz(a)acm.org, with the > subject line of "Name that phone". The winner will get a free copy. > But then, so will a lot of other people. Hi Phil, How about S.P.I.T. S ecure P hone I mplementation or interphase T erminal or technology Then you could S.P.I.T. on the government as they tried to listen to your conversations or S.P.I.T. on your employer as they tried to monitor your phone usage. Or you could S.P.I.T. in the wind if you have no one to call. ;) More names will probably follow. Sam ============================================================================== If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. - Derek Bok, 1978 ============================================================================== skaplin(a)skypoint.com | "...vidi vici veni" - Overheard | outside a Roman brothel. PGP encrypted mail is accepted and | preferred. | Change is the only constant in the | Universe..."Four quarters, please." E-mail key(a)four11.com for PGP Key or | Finger skaplin(a)mirage.skypoint.com | Smile!! Big brother is watching. ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: This message digitally signed to verify the identity of the sender iQEVAwUBLvU19clnXxBRSgfNAQESywf/RAZpscfhMJiJhb61GxMc9ar4tC0WiuJu NOhgLd+hGoNfuue3byCjFz5OScsfmYKyr2mpmLi4a/38UPvOV1ZXc5jqxYv0mI0b uqsIKf+YJQvxRQi9uXlFf03SPs/Omx6hYVjpkEjbHSIj+YiNB9eBuxV/3lBWLjHg mJ1Ul/nYJv6106DGbE5wrBVxUX7N2UBKLn7B8785vJGTHPz1aa1xl6VJtCIm3E3C HQN3F0joR4H6iPoAgo7qyRPvPIed9yk/Rnj5nyR7kRiFnAEJQ8DZuke/xLHKsXo7 OoB5fqPxD9Se6vFewql8JccW1fsakExTpO9YpcptXnkhXZrfo5/1bw== =wQO2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Name that phone (fwd)
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:26 AM 12/19/94, Samuel Kaplin wrote: >More names will probably follow. Um, could they maybe not follow to the cypherpunks list? Phil asked people to send suggestions to him with a particular subject. He didn't ask people to send them to the cypherpunks list. I hope I'm not being overly annoyed here, but I just don't particulary relish the thought of 10 posts a day for the next two weeks composed of suggestions for what to call Phil's crypto phone. Then again, I guess they aren't too much worse then 50 posts a day about the merits of MIME, or whether Mosaic Communications is Evil Incarnate or Just Good Capitalists. But best of all would be to have neither those posts nor posts saying "Hey Phil, how about 'Phil's Sooper Kean-o War3z D00d Ph0n3'? (PSKWDP) Cool, right?"

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Name that phone elsewhere
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jonathan Rochkind writes: > Then again, I guess they aren't too much worse then 50 posts a day about > the merits of MIME, or whether Mosaic Communications is Evil Incarnate or > Just Good Capitalists. But best of all would be to have neither those > posts nor posts saying "Hey Phil, how about 'Phil's Sooper Kean-o War3z > D00d Ph0n3'? (PSKWDP) Cool, right?" I agree. This is in danger of turning into a variant of the c'punks logo thread, to which I unfortunately contributed a couple of times in public. Please send groovy name suggestions to PRZ, but please don't cc: them here. - - -L. Futplex McCarthy; PGP key by finger or server "The objective is for us to get those conversations whether they're by an alligator clip or ones and zeroes. Wherever they are, whatever they are, I need them." --FBI Dir. Freeh - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLvU+pGf7YYibNzjpAQF9dgQAmRVbj9qS2+uB64KUKeF4lIjNgCR0RGHl Wfd0r6pad7Rgmn94li9GRuwKUKcn/RsRKEXLB9ywIroHGh8M2C/2RpCYol7eZp9+ CUi1p8QWgMYRHU5hgVPRSnoJ2n4VCY4sWAEUiFX2Hq0G8IF/x84ozHKzdsFfq2+/ OuHhwQCEdOM= =iZS1 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLvVBVioZzwIn1bdtAQEuXQGAw8WC0Ay0ZVEkuY/Dh20a2Jcxpcp7ZKYu rdtvEGFO1+dUDudY+KYV0YyedS5G2J0h =Nllh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Karl Hess - L.A. area meeting
by j.hastings6＠genie.geis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and let me remind you, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." -- Karl Hess Meeting at Cheviot Hills (in Los Angeles) CALIFORNIA U-S-A- I will leave town right after this meeting -- to visit relatives and possibly attend this year's RSA conference January 9-11. The following text was written by SEK3 (with notes by JKH): --- K A R L H E S S C L U B --- REVOLUTION, REACTION or BETRAYAL? A Special 3-Part Post Election Series Monday, December 19, 1994 (That's tonight, yikes!) PART 2: ANARCHIST ALTERNATIVES DINNER at HASMIK'S Family Restaurant, 9824 National Blvd. In Cheviot Hills Center, National Exit from Santa Monica (10) Freeway. (310) 204-1591. Separate checks -- order from very reasonable menu. Beer and wine available. PROGRAM 8 p.m. Announcements * 8:15 Featured speakers * Questions and Answers (moderated by the speaker) * Special Series Opening and Closing by SEK3 * Official Meeting Close at 10 p.m. After-meeting until... ANARCHIST ALTERNATIVES ...and alternative anarchists. Agorists, Discordians, anarcho- syndicalists and punks -- cypher and rock. Does "dropping out" of the hopeless aboveground political system mean less activism -- or more? Is it time to move from the back-room to the coffeehouse? - From the conference committee room to the Usenet? Does feminism mean sharing the same oppression experienced by most males? Does voting for socialism mean bureaucratic capitalism and does voting for free enterprise mean profit...for bureaucrats? Did you vote for change last month...and get betrayed already? Are you ready to get angry...or get even? Or just get something done! If so, come and hear our panel of real alternatives: from (De)center, IWW, and the new improved and revitalized Movement of the Libertarian Left. Find out what's already going on all around you. At Hasmik's in Cheviot Hills (West L.A.). Make sure you are on our mailing list to get the postcard giving you the details! Call (310) 289-4126 or send your mail drop to KHC c/o AI, 291 S. La Cienega Blvd., #749, Beverly Hills, CA 90211. (Or e-mail to j.hastings6(a)genie.geis.com) - JKH Same time and place, next month: 3. Monday, January 16, 1995 "THE NIGHT OF JANUARY 16TH" What have the Objectivists been up to since the death of Ayn Rand? Successors, institutes, new associations...some of whom are actually eager to dialog with libertarians and others. Have they something new for us to consider? Should we go back to our philosophical roots first before wasting more time on inherently impossible solutions? Is A still A? On this most special night for objectivists, come and find out. Kent - j.hastings6(a)genie.geis.com (story.com will be repaired over the next few weeks, and I'll be outahere). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQCVAgUBLvVPyA4ciVn87Ra9AQHRfQP9Hiq8Q/sPlqHHDkdam7dA9xrD3KlyeS2A tnb9KyyKygfpacxFEkZ9trjPY+hB++hVikASJ5VxE0OwVIMYI4uyotYNZfcgXnmr YKsxpALqWVtTRKPnYjKGaTi8UppiJKUm2na0OQ95Xnh5V8gRqn8pbY55ZEzTpkxb oVicdOf3IsM= =cYKl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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