December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: GUI: PGP vs novices
by bshantz＠spry.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff Licquia writes: >>You will notice that this message is not signed. That's because in order to >>sign it, I would need to save my message, hop out to a DOS box, PGP encrypt >>it, hop back to my mail program and insert the encrypted mail as a text file. >>That's enough to discourage the average user. This is pretty much what Tim >>May was talking about when he discussed why he doesn't sign his messages. >>It's not that he couldn't... it's just not practical for him. It's not really >>practical for me either, but I do it when I feel it's necessary. >Just a small nit, but it appears that you're running something >Windows-compatible on your desk (the DOS box and all that). Are you aware >of the good Windows tools for PGP? The particular one I use (PGPClip by >Mike Meyer) uses the clipboard, and is very nice and simple. Exactly my point Jeff. Thank you for justifying what I said....**WINK**, **GRIN**. In order to even use PGPClip, it involves something OUTSIDE the mail application. (Although, it does sound intriguing to me.) Anyway, this is yet another example of the user needing to be fully conscious that they are signing or encrypting. It should be second nature. In order for it to become second nature, it MUST be included in the design of the mail package. (Or News reader, or FTP software, whatever.) Third party utilities make a piece of software harder to use. That's a given. Now, don't get me wrong, there are some nice thrid party vendor products out there. But, I have yet to see a crypto product that merges (cross platform) into a mail package smoothly. >Not a flame, or even a spark. Just wanting to make life easier for crypto >enthusiasts. Didn't see any sparks at all, Jeff. I am interested in PGPClip (at least to look at) does anyone have an FTP site pointer where I could find it? -- Brad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>INTERNETWORKING THE DESKTOP<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Brad Shantz bshantz(a)spry.com Senior Software Engineer SPRY Inc. Direct #: (206)-442-8251 316 Occidental Ave. S. Main #: (206)-447-0300 Suite 316 Fax #: (206)-447-9008 Seattle, WA 98104 WWW URL: http://WWW.SPRY.COM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP Public Key at: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html Or email: pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.ai.mit.edu Subj: GET bshantz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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procmail
by cort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just installed procmail (on my Linux system at work). The installation (readme, makefile, hand-holding along the way) was _very_ nice. It earns my hearty endorsement. Please advertise crypto enhancements to procmail to me (in email if not of general list interest). Who has the procmail integrated PGP (signing, etc.)? Cort.

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RE: Have 2.6.2 but cant gen 2048 bits
by Johnathan Corgan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Following is the output from pgp2.6.2 and me trying to generate >2048 bit keys. What am i doing rong? You'll probably get multiple answers for this. The code in PGP that allows you to enter 2048 bit keys isn't enabled until 12/25/94, so you need to set your clock ahead to try this (and don't forget to set it back--I spent three days sending people "Christmas" mail :) Also, though I'm not sure why, it seems that the generated keys are only 2047 bits in length. This was my experience, and has been reported in alt.security.pgp by a number of others as well. Expect about a 15-20 minute key generation time on a 486/66 PC. ======================================================================= Johnathan Corgan "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" jcorgan(a)netcom.com -Isaac Asimov PGP Public Key: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html Or send email to: pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.ai.mit.edu Subj: GET jcorgan ======================================================================= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLvifok1Diok8GKihAQG7ggP/SNuz/n0njIuB2NQ7iIqPH3IWQ4dzOoP0 AlBTiq80CZjVAhTR80d8ckID36cKLRjRKq3kafKqzWoDfevL8UwxXbORIs0kyo6h qnQAg98qOOQMkSh8yxYHOfYL612VMKDMuBlXDSC4dNnItkmCwex780TnZRuq9Hc/ SmkiusdPEFQ= =GFPO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: GUI: PGP vs novices
by Johnathan Corgan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >I just think (boy I feel repetitive) that there should be something inside the >software so the user has the option to sign, or sign on the fly. If I type up >a message and think, "hey, I really want people to know this is from me", It >would be really cool to just hit a button on the toolbar, or grab a menu >option to sign automatically before sending. You don't have to sign >everything. But, you don't have to go out to another application (of any >sort) in order to sign. It's right there in front of you. To add to this thread: I'm working on a Windows based product that, while not achieving the level of integration that you describe, does enable one to assign signature, remailing, and encryption options from within the email message itself. The product works at the Windows Sockets layer, intercepting mail as it is sent from the mail application to the SMTP host, and performing the above crypto related functions based on text placed at the top of the mail message. - From the user perspective, I plan to make the product look just like the (excellent) Unix based PGP front end, premail. So, while you're typing your mail, if you want to add a signature, just add the line Signature: <userid> to the top (where userid is something that identifies the secret key to use). Features will include automatic signing, encryption, or remailing based upon destination address of the outgoing email. Incoming mail will be handled similarly, though there are some security issues surrounding automated access to your secret keyring that I haven't thought through yet. A major complication that I've come up against is installation. Somehow I've got to provide a painless way of discovering the Winsock stack in use on a machine, and installing my WINSOCK.DLL so that it gets loaded instead of the real one (which my software then loads on its own and intercepts calls to.) This is really easy to do manually when one has knowledge of such things; it is a major pain in the ass to come up with a way of doing this that doesn't require the user to know anything about Windows Sockets or DLL's or path variables, etc. On the other hand, the pain of installation only occurs once. For actual use, adding control lines to the top of one's mail is pretty simple. Not as good as having, say, "Encrypt", "Sign", and "Remail" buttons or menu items, but it should do for now. I may or may not have something to show at the next Cpunks meeting--depends on how frustrated I get with dealing with Windows' programming paradigm :) ======================================================================= Johnathan Corgan "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" jcorgan(a)netcom.com -Isaac Asimov PGP Public Key: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html Or send email to: pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.ai.mit.edu Subj: GET jcorgan ======================================================================= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLviluE1Diok8GKihAQEGfAP/TRvp2ulO5MZJplYhwoFl5hvOmvSj1nNg N25aNm4++xzdywZ7ffPhIW6v2euk27eZLJS3p+CLcZ2JWQglmqWube3lQfg9mYsB cTf+w5Jyg+lDwvXExJ+9Fqe1mZLSIS+f2jeuAi6nJ5nFyeyYWTiWBmXP0gK7YQhC 5mCFzczhP8Q= =A9RZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Kiwi cypherpunks
by Tony.Gurnick＠nzdairy.co.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

storm(a)marlin.ssnet.com said on 22-dec-1994 >The wise _DNA_ is known to have said... >> >> Lads (and lasses), >> I seem to be having a bit of troub communicating >> we the kiwis on this list directly, but no probs if I send to the >> list. Has there been and communication on this topic in the last >> 3 or so days??? We cant organise anything if we cant talk to each >> other! > >Now who says the Aussie intelligence services aren't any good? :-) Um, using the words aussie & intelligence in the same sentence is a bit of an contridiction in terms! @:)> I just dosent happen! T

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Re: NYT Potpurri and Econo-cash
by Bass Wastelan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ECO_do - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLvi2uSoZzwIn1bdtAQHOiQGAmRUcHy1wI/BkqpRQYj+ocztm4Go6YBBw pKzj1nY6PhcWz1pGYHNvolPFhF4hcN1L =nxS9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remailer list needed
by Anonymous User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"L. McCarthy" <lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu> wrote: > Anyway, the standard ways of accessing the latest list are: > finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html > > I don't know of a way to get it automatically via mail. I think the address to get finger via email is mg5n+finger(a)andrew.cmu.edu

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Re: NONE
by ghio＠c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)rebma.rebma.mn.org wrote: > Matthew Ghio, > You've done a great job in the past and continue to do so, but for > the past week some (all?) of your users have not been getting any mail. > What happened? Post to cypherpunks, remailer-operators, alt.privacy > or alt.anonymous.messages, alt.abuse.recovery (either one. You choose). > > Thanks. Well, I finally got a chance to catch up on a lot of email that I hadn't had time to read recently. I had to take myriad.pc.cc.cmu.edu down for awhile. It should be back up in a few weeks. My alias-based remailers, alias(a)alpha.c2.org and mg5n+alias(a)andrew.cmu.edu are still up. c2.org has been having network connection problems lately and some messages may have been delayed, but to my knowledge nothing has been lost. For those who have been asking, help files are available by sending mail to help(a)alpha.c2.org, mg5n+remailer-help(a)andrew.cmu.edu, and a list of remailers and mail to usenet gateways is available from mg5n+remailers(a)andrew.cmu.edu

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alpha.c2.org software upgrade
by admin＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It is now possible to send outgoing mail via the alias remailer at alpha.c2.org. To send a message, create a message of the following format: From: me(a)alpha.c2.org (My Nym) Password: mypass Subject: test To: alt.test(a)demon.co.uk This is my message. Encrypt this with the public key for the remailer and send it to alias(a)alpha.c2.org. It will decrypt it and send your message (after verifying and removing the password line.)

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'brief' macro for invoking pgp
by Alan Pugh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- hello all, does anyone out there have a macro for the editor _brief_ by borland (last time i checked) that will invoke pgp to sign a message in the buffer. i've been using _brief_ as my primary editor since they were owned by _underware_, (no joke), and would like to be able to sign messages by pressing a hot key. i've been trying to do this off and on for some time, but my programming skills are almost nonexistant. preferably it would be filename independant. that is, it would work on the current buffer. the package was written to be able to compile files while within it, so it should be possible. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks, amp <0003701548(a)mcimail.com> December 21, 1995 20:27 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.61 iQEVAwUBMNnfligP1O9KJoPBAQHtEgf/TV8OeTFBpKhufmbIJqBpoj2Gt6dTjtH/ o3z1ExLFSYols4YAOAJbquqnUariSNrnqV1Ap2IjtNFM08eEAeAOBykjlKfjXWBt ZudoDlRfVoKmGnGVpn4Njo6wrlolpU0rezFls+4Zdx2sA7cLkBuTUBMNN0yq3oBw Yws2rfpKW8SGoj6gyDtkGKisDQtHUotmHTiIPVYI9FbTPa2Fs0Q5RnvAidl0i47m dDuWmfoP3VpiyAbPH9PMnI19Ax3U+n5MFKK0B8zUWIonUdv4px4u7eRo3b0kNCKl qETMZtoNB1Um3o7oZUZvjLAlKEEBOEmDweT4OVyxNt5q9thOO53wKA== =YlLN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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