December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Children and the Net
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff Gostin says: > jdd(a)aiki.demon.co.uk (Jim Dixon) writes: > > > The Internet is a wild and exciting place. You want your children to > > get to know it. But you would also like a way to build little fences > > between them and some things that they are just too young to deal with. > > How do you do it? > > In my eyes, it's really quite easy: Don't let your children use > Internet UNTIL AND UNLESS you feel they are emotionally stable and mature > enough to handle any kind of message that comes across the net. There are other simple strategies, like using a service like Prodigy that censors its messages, or starting a service for like minded parents that censors the material children can access. You don't need change the whole world to alter what a small minority read. I'm not a believer in the notion of keeping your children "protected" because the world is a dangerous place and I feel that you produce children unable to cope with the world if they don't know what is in it. At the same time, I feel Mr. Zooks has the right to raise his children as hot house flowers if he likes, and he can accomplish his goals perfectly well without censoring us, which I feel would be unacceptable even if Mr. Zooks could not raise his children unexposed to the world without censorship. Luckily, both sets of goals are achievable. Perry

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Schalfly's son (Was: Re: Lawsuits Against PKP)
by jamiel＠sybase.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:50 AM 08/02/94 -0400, Rick Busdiecker wrote: >I have no idea whether Roger is her son or how similar their political >ideas are. I forget her son's name, but I know that his views are almost diametric opposite of dear old mom's. He is gay and rather outspoken, and has been *very* critical of mum's family values trip. -j -- "Blah Blah Blah" ___________________________________________________________________ Jamie Lawrence <jamiel(a)sybase.com>

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Re: Anonymous code name allocated. // penet hack
by L. Todd Masco 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rick: > Perhaps someone could remove this address (or replace it with > na111447(a)anon.penet.fi) and/or get the anon.penet.fi administrator to > beat on this person (electronically of course). In addition to writing code, Cypherpunks can telnet to port 25. Toad.com's sendmail doesn't seem to do reverse lookups on the IP address. -- L. Todd Masco | Bibliobytes books on computer, on any UNIX host with e-mail cactus(a)bb.com | "Information wants to be free, but authors want to be paid."

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Re: Children and the Net
by landmann＠facstaff.wisc.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First of all, what does this have to do with crypto.. At 06:29 8/2/94 -0700, Mike Duvos wrote: >The behavior of the Branch Davidians towards their children is well >documented, both by child welfare workers in Texas and by sworn >testimony of former members. Apparently this is your (presently unsubstantiated) opinion. How about some references that don't involve ATF employee testimonys? >The Branch Davidians were proclaimed "cleared" of charges of child >abuse by Texas authorities in the presense of physical evidence which >would have been considered abuse in most other states. In many places, spanking a child (with restraint and compassion, as a parent) is considered child abuse, so I suppose this statement could be considered true. I am not alone, however, in my belief that corporal punishment is sometimes a necessary part of parenting. While I don't share the Davidians religious beliefs, I'd like to see more evidence that the ATF was justified in their assault. I'm not yet convinced. -Tom ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Thomas Landmann :: E-mail: landmann(a)facstaff.wisc.edu :: :: DoIT Network Systems Technology :: Compuserve: 76020,2055 :: :: 1210 W Dayton Street, Rm 4220 :: AX.25: N9UDL @ WD9ESU.#SCWI.WI.NOAM:: :: Office: 608.263.1650 :: Home: 608.277.1115 :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >>> Waiting for "Chicago"? Try Linux *NOW* instead! <<<

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Re: Anonymous code name allocated. // penet hack
by jdd＠aiki.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> You have sent a message using the anonymous contact service. > You have been allocated the code name an118905. ... and so forth I did not send any message using the remailer and I would be grateful if the account were killed. Is everybody on the cypherpunks list getting this sort of harassment or is it just me? -- Jim Dixon

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Majordomo and Julf's remailer
by Philippe Nave 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Assumption: (maybe incorrect, but what the hell..) The trouble with having an anonymous penet subscriber on the list is due to the fact that cypherpunks messages appear to be 'from' the individual that posted the message as opposed to the list itself. Thus, when I post a message and it goes out to the list, it heads out to anxxx(a)penet.fi and generates an anon ID if I didn't have one before. If this is the case, is there any way to change the setup of the cypherpunks list on toad.com such that the list messages appear to be 'from' cypherpunks(a)toad.com instead of from the person who sent the message? If we got another anxxx subscriber, penet.fi would start seeing hundreds of messages from 'cypherpunks(a)toad.com' and probably generate an anonymous ID, but it wouldn't foul up the original poster. I'm not advocating majordomo code changes here; I just wonder if there's an option setting that could be tweaked in the cypherpunks list definition. I have been on mailing lists before where the traffic always appeared to be 'from' the list, and the only thing odd about it was that you had to CC: the author to send a direct reply. If this idea is all wet, so be it... it just occurred to me this morning. -Philippe

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Re: Anonymous code name allocated. // penet hack
by doug＠OpenMind.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rick Busdiecker writes: >If by "who cypherpunks" attack you mean that someone could be >subscribed using an an*(a)anon.penet.fi, you most certainly cannot rule >that out. an111447(a)anon.penet.fi continues to be subscribed... I just did a "who cypherpunks", and an111447(a)anon.penet.fi has apparently been unsusbscribed as of 10:20 a.m. PST (not by me, though I considered it...) Doug ___________________________________________________________________ Doug Cutrell General Partner doug(a)OpenMind.com Open Mind, Santa Cruz ===================================================================

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AA BBS
by nzook＠math.utexas.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

is back on line, according to hkhenson(a)cup.portal.com...

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Re: The Terrorists are coming!
by jdd＠aiki.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In message <Pine.3.87.9408011942.A12890-0100000(a)raven.csrv.uidaho.edu> CatAshleigh writes: > first of all the only "muslim" (NOT ARAB, NO ARABS HAVE NUKES, the only How do you know? > country with nukes in the middle east is Israel) country > with a nuclear program is pakistan, and they're years away from anything > that could be stolen. Ahem. Uzbekistan is Muslim, and is also the third or fourth largest nuclear power, and also is in a part of the world where there is a long tradition of ... how do I say it gently ... greasing the palm. I spent quite a while next door in Afghanistan and am familiar with the culture. A large part of the former USSR was Muslim and there were strategic and tactical nuclear weapons scattered all over the place (tactical weapons are used as mines, fired from artillery pieces, carried by short range missiles, and dropped from fighter bombers). If none of these is unaccounted for, it is a genuine miracle. Also, there has been quite a lot of press coverage here in the UK of the defector from Saudi Arabia who claims that (a) the Saudis backed both the Iraqi and the Pakistani nuclear programs and (b) the Saudis at least have some nuclear materials. > second of all there are more deaths caused by lighting on golf courses, > ask any insurance agency. Also not true. The total number killed directly and indirectly in Japan alone by atomic bombs is certainly over 100,000. I can't believe that that many people have been killed by lightning on golf courses! Then again, we are talking about elementary arithmetic. Yes, the probability of someone being killed by lightning on a golf course tomorrow is much much higher than that of the detonation of a nuclear weapon in a populated area. But when that nuclear weapon goes off, it's not going to be just one golfer that gets scorched. > some call it pork barrel, I call it consperasy theory to protray muslims > as terroists. Pork barrel? -- Jim Dixon

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Re: Majordomo and Julf's remailer
by nobody＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* I'm not advocating majordomo code changes here; I just wonder if * there's an option setting that could be tweaked in the cypherpunks * list definition. I have been on mailing lists before where the * traffic always appeared to be 'from' the list, and the only thing * odd about it was that you had to CC: the author to send a direct * reply. should be fairly simple, extropians works that way.

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