December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just don't understand how, in 1998, anyone could let Tenet get away with a claim about key recovery like this. Didn't anyone ask him how he expected high-tech hackers (especially those possibly aided by foreign intelligence agencies) to use key recovery? Ern -----Original Message----- From: John Young [SMTP:jya@pipeline.com] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:37 AM To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners June 24, 1998 CIA Head Forsees Better Hackers Filed at 5:43 p.m. EDT By The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- Intrusion into government computers [SNIP] Unless the computer industry and the government find a legislative compromise, the government could fall victim to hackers able to hide their own actions in impenetrable encryption codes. It may take a major computer-hacker incident to create the political pressure needed to allow the government the "recovery" power to access encrypted databases. "There is a train wreck waiting to happen unless we deal with the recovery aspect of the encryption debate," Tenet said.

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17 Dec '03

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Dupes in NSA Release
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We need confirmation that pages 11 and 14 are the same in the NSA algo release except for the words "Figure 7" and Figure 8." And that Figures 7, 8 and 9, showing "key formation diagram" are the same on purpose. We've asked ever-helpful Ed Roback at NIST about it but no answer yet. Amazingly, thanks to Vanessa Talieri, NSA has cheerfully Fedexed us a hardcopy, due in tomorrow.

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RE: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:35:40 -0700, Ernest Hua wrote: >I just don't understand how, in 1998, anyone could let Tenet get away >with a claim about key recovery like this. Didn't anyone ask him how he >expected high-tech hackers (especially those possibly aided by foreign >intelligence agencies) to use key recovery? Same thing (gross lies) happens in the "freedom to own and keep arms" context... Ciao jfa Definition: FACISM: n.: a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative political units, are controlled by a strong central government. ------------------------------------------------- "One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms". - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice. ------------------------------------------------- the German gun control laws were enacted by the "liberal" Weimar Republic government that preceded Hitler, and were a strong aid to his coming to power -- because they disarmed Hitler's opponents, and Hitler's adherents ignored them -- as criminals have always ignored gun control laws. Disarming the public is a frequent first step toward dictatorships and genocides. Once the disarming is complete, the public is helpless against those who have the guns. ------------------------------------------------- PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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SORM: New ex-KGB moves in telecom
by Maksim Otstavnov 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To whom it may concern: The text between [Start of translation] and [End of translation] lines below is a verbatim translation of the two drafts of documents which are currently in the state of approvement by the two Russian ministries: Federal Security Service (FSB, one of the five special services inheriting to KGB) and State Committee on Communications (Goskomsvyaz'). The originals (and comments) are available at the Libertarium Webpages (www.ice.ru/libertarium/sorm) Inconsistencies of the original texts (including but not restrictive to: paragraph misnumbering, language vagueness etc.) are left intact. I left the two Russian abbreviations: SORM for the System of effitient research measures, and FSB for the Federal Security Service, to avoid confusion in future. In short: if approved, the rules will provide exKGB with technical facility to _directly_ and covertly wiretap _any_ information transmitted via telecommunication networks including telephone, telegraph, Internet etc. and there will be no means to ensure KGBists obtained a court warrant (required by Constitution and other federal legislation) before wiretapping. Any informed comments (of legal and technological, not emotional nature) from both organisations and from individual experts are welcome. I am grateful to all involved with obtaining the documents. Hope some day I will be in a position to mention them by their names... - - Maksim Otstavnov [Start of translation] Approved Deputy Director Federal Security Service A.A.Bespalov "____"___________1998 Confirmed "____"___________1998 TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS TO THE SYSTEM OF TECHNICAL MEANS PROVIDING FOR THE FULLFILMENT OF EFFICIENT RESEARCH MEASURES IN THE DOCUMENTAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS Approved Head of the Telecommunications Management A.Yu.Rokotyan "____"___________1998Ç. First Deputy to the Director General Of the Central Research Institute of the State Telecommunications of Russia Yu.A.Alekseev "____"___________1998Ç. 1. PURPOSE 1.1. The system of technical means destined to provide for the system of efficient research measures (SORM) in the networks of the documental telecommunications (NDTC) is being arranged at the basis of the Russian Federation legislation and is meant to provide for technical support of the above research measures in the telecommunications networks which are used for supplying customers with telematic services, data transmission services, and access to the world global information network of INTERNET. 1.2 The actual technical requirements (TR) concern all NDTC regardless of their forms of ownership formed previously or being currently formed according to the Russian State Communications Committee licenses. 1.3. SORM should provide for reading of all information (both incoming and outgoing) belonging to the specific subscribers of the network(s) in question. 1.4. The actual TR should be observed regardless of what means of information protection may be used in the NDTC. 1.5. The actual TR should be observed while providing additional services to the NDTC subscribers. 1.6. The actual TR should be observed for each individual subscriber regardless of the type of his connection to the DTC networks (individual or collective). 2. SET OF EQUIPMENT The set of SORM equipment should include: hardware and software means (HSM) providing for the requirements fulfillment by SORM, these means should be part of the distant control center (DCC) - HSM SORM DCC; hardware and software means (HSM) providing for the requirements fulfillment by SORM these means should be part of the NDTC node equipment - HSM SORM NDTC; communication channel (communication lines and channeling hardware) providing for establishing of communication between HSM SORM DCC and HSM SORM NDTC; Note: The channeling hardware should be part of the HSM SORM NDTC equipment. SORM software security and confidentiality protection means. 3. GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SORM ORGANIZATION 3.1. NDTC SORM management should be controlled from the DCC by way of its cooperation with the HSM SORM DCC via communication channels providing for controlling commands transmission from the DCC to HSM SORM NDTC and for information transmission from HSM SORM NDTC to the DCC. 3.2 SORM should provide for transmission of the following information from the HSM SORM NDTC to the DCC: about the HSM SORM NDTC readiness; about the results of DCC commands fulfillment; about unauthorized interference with the HSM SORM NDTC work. 3.3. SORM should provide for transmission to the DCC the NDTC subscribers data base with the following information about subscribers at the request of the DCC operator: registration date in the DTC networks; electronic address; registration address; additional services provided (including internet roaming (and voice communication services). 3.4. At the DCC command SORM should provide for receiving of the following information pertaining to any individual user: statistic information reading; reading of information (both incoming and outgoing) belonging to specific subscribers. Note: This command may be documented by the communications operator. 3.5. SORM should provide for determination of: subscriber's telephone number if he uses common carrier telephone line (providing this line allows for this) for using telematic services and data transmission; subscriber's electronic address if the latter uses other telecommunication networks for using telematic services and data transmission. 3.6. While reading statistical information SORM should provide for transmission of the following information to the DCC HSM SORM NDTC: period of work in the NDTC; telephone or commuted telephone line number or network address (of an other network) used for NDTC access; network addresses used for reception or transmission of information via NDTC. 3.7. While reading information SORM should provide for transmission of the following information to the DCC HSM SORM NDTC: period of work in the NDTC; telephone or commuted telephone line number or network address (other network address) used for NDTC access; real-time information transmitted via NDTC and belonging to specific subscribers. 3.8. The SORM reaction time from the moment of DCC command transmission to the moment of its fulfillment confirmation by the HSM SORM NDTC reception should not exceed 30 seconds (excluding the communication services access discontinuation). 4. HSM SORM NDTC AND HSM SORM DCC COMMUNICATION INTERFACE 4.1. Communication between SORM and DCC should be conducted via the data transmission channel. 4.2. Data transmission channel reservation should be provided. 4.3. Switch to the reserve channel should be provided in case of the main channel fault. 4.4. The information exchange should be conducted via isolated communication channel in a duplex regime at a speed not less than maximally allowed for the NDTC subscribers. 4.5. Interface of communication with the channeling equipment should comply with the ITTU recommendations V.36, V.24, G.703. 4.6. Protocol of digital data exchange between SORM and DCC should comply with the X.25 ITTU recommendation (edition of 1995) for single chain LAPB procedure. Note: When protocols used for the networks information exchange differ from those recommended by the ITTU X.25 (such as TCP/IP), the protocol of information exchange between SORM and DCC may differ from the protocol mentioned in paragraph 4.6. as agreed with the FSB of Russia and the network administration. 4.7. The protocol of connection between SORM and DCC (the type of service information, SORM/DCC interaction algorithm, arrangement of the information transmission) should be defined in the process of SORM software development by agreement with the FSB of Russia. 5. SORM EFFICIENCY CONTROL 5.1. Functional control of the SORM hardware and software efficiency against the background of the NDTC equipment functioning should be provided for during the exploitation. 5.2. DCC should receive information concerning faults interfering with the work of the NDTC SORM. 5.3. Performance control of the information exchange channels between SORM and DCC should be provided for. In case of the damage of information exchange equipment data transmission should be cancelled and a corresponding message should be transmitted to the maintenance personnel while automatic switch on to the reserve channel should be fulfilled. 6. UNAUTHORIZED INFORMATION ACCESS CONTROL 6.1. The possibility of unauthorized interference with the process of functioning and interaction between the HSM SORM NDTC and HSM SORM DCC should be excluded. 6.2. The possibility of unauthorized access to the data and software providing for the HSM SORM NDTC interaction should be excluded. 6.4. DCC should receive reports on all attempts of unauthorized access and interference with the HSM SORM NDTC functioning. 6.5. Information exchange between SORM and DCC should be secured. 7. SORM INITIALIZING AND RESTART 7.2. In case of SORM node software restart the information about this fact should be transmitted to the DCC. 7.3. Technological conditions of the SORM node software restart should include the procedure of HSM SORM NDTC restart. 7.4. A possibility of restarting part of the software controlling the work of the HSM SORM NDTC should be provided for at the DCC command. _____________________________________________________________________________ Approved Deputy Director of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation A.A.Bespalov "____"___________1998 Confirmed "___"___________1998 THE ORDER OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SYSTEM OF THE EFFICIENT RESEARCH MEASURES IN THE DOCUMENT TELECOMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS First Deputy to the Director General of the Central Research Institute of the State Telecommunications of Russia Yu.A.Alekseev "____"___________1998 Administrations of the telecommunications documental networks (DTC) including the services of data transmission, telematic services, Internet informational resources access services that are guided by the "Technical Requirements To The System Of Technical Means Providing For The Fullfilment Of Effecient Research Measures In The Documental Telecommunications" should conduct the following technical and administrative operations. A plan of measures to be taken in order to implement the system of efficient research measures (SORM) in the network consisting of two stages (the first stage may be missing) should be developed and coordinated with the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. The first stage - implementation of limited functions SORM using standard equipment of the telecommunications provider, experimental running of the system and evaluation of its compliance with the main technical SORM requirements. The second stage - full fledged SORM implementation considering the results of the experimental exploitation. The first stage provides for: 1. Development and coordination with the FSB of the technological scheme and SORM functioning algorithms at the telecommunications operator's network based on the technical requirements. 2. Correction if necessary of SORM technical requirements considering the results of the first stage implementation. 3. Development of the list of SORM hardware and software used at the first stage and according to the results of the first stage (stating type, cost, supply conditions and payer for each item). 4. Preparation of proposals and coordination with the FSB of Russia of the necessary communication protocols for data exchange between SORM equipment and standard equipment of the telecommunications provider if the provider complies with the SORM technical requirements (stage 2). 5. Purchase and delivery of the SORM equipment in accordance with the list provided by p. 3 6. Allocation of necessary technical means for checking and tuning of the SORM software at the provider's equipment. 8. Organization of the intercity communication line between telecommunications operator and the DCC. 9. Preparation of the exploitation and technical documentation for the SORM including the regulations for the duty services interaction. 10. Testing and tuning of the SORM hardware and software during interaction with the telecommunications operator standard equipment. The first stage is completed as the SORM acceptance report is signed and it is accepted for experimental exploitation as the result of the joint tests (FSB as the contractor and the telecommunications operator as the performer.) The second stage provides for: 1. Development of the SORM requirements for the telecommunications operator equipment based on the "Technical Requirements To The System Of Technical Means Providing For The Fulfillment Of Efficient Research Measures In The Documental Telecommunications" (adjusted if necessary according to the results of the first stage) containing the list of: hardware and software means providing for the implementation of the SORM requirements and included into the equipment of the node (nodes) of DTC network - HSM SORM NDTC; hardware and software means providing for implementation of the SORM requirements and included into the DCC equipment - HSM SORM DCC; type of channel for communication between NDTC and HSM SORM DCC; type of equipment for the communication channel between the HSM SORM NDTC and HSM SORM DCC; the data exchange velocity between the HSM SORM NDTC and HSM SORM DCC; protocol of the data exchange in the communication channel between HSM SORM NDTC and HSM SORM DCC; protocol of junction between HSM SORM NDTC and HSM SORM DCC; information security and privacy protection software for the SORM. Telecommunications operator should coordinate technical requirements with the FSB of Russia. 2. The specification of the specific hardware and software that should be included as part of the standard equipment of the telecommunications operator and of the DCC (stating type, cost, supply conditions and payer for each item) is compiled according to the technical requirements. The specification is coordinated by the telecommunications operator with the FSB of Russia organs. 3. Technical design development for the SORM implementation by the telecommunications operator's enterprise is fulfilled by the organization licensed for the fulfillment of design works by the order of the telecommunications operator. 4. Development of the SORM technical exploitation documentation including regulation for duty services interaction. 5. SORM equipment assembling at the telecommunications operator's enterprise is fulfilled by the organization licensed for the fulfillment of assembling works by the order of the telecommunications operator. 6. Testing and tuning of the SORM software at the telecommunications operator's equipment. 7. Conducting joint SORM tests (FSB of the Russian Federation as a contractor and the telecommunications operator as a performer). The second stage is concluded with the SORM industrial exploitation acceptance report which is jointly approved by the telecommunications operator management and the FSB of Russia representatives. [End of translation] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0.1iRu Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNZJq7XGCEHWOiJDhAQE6cwP9Fm9c8js94liPIbQa+UHUAsPFuOAmEUQd QsMIlNgJjTtRvmoDZS6fjxYbLgbO4imEOtsKEeIMJsZqX8UC0er2tk7VO3eK0968 EzM8w3+t8yFLB98/tWGE9Ghz2HiZh/ywoRiGX8Y08ZkKitYgOk/Aq4EmBHVQp92X ePOimdtAtdY= =BdJi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Maksim Otstavnov <maksim(a)volga.net> http://www.ice.ru/otstavnov/ -- - chief, Labs of Civil & Financial Crypto -- - editor, "CompuNomika" monthly -- - maintainer of The Russian PGP HomePage

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17 Dec '03

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RE: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It is my humble opinion that possession of something physical that the average person does not have the means to manufacture without significant cost is very different from possession of something anyone with high school math/CS skills can create from freely available books. Now, if, next week, someone demonstrates a gun or some other physical offensive weapon easily manufacturable using off the shelf parts at $10 a pop with less than $50 start-up costs (these numbers must include the entire mechanism; in the case of a gun, it would include the bullets). My objection to crypto regulations have nothing to do with rights; it has to do with enforcement. If you have almost no hope of enforcing significant percentages of the violations of a crime law without posting policemen at every PC and workstation, it would seem that the law is pointless. If the behavior is truly undesirable, then other means are required to minimize the negative consequences of that behavior. If you or anyone else really really want to follow up on this line of discussion, please E-Mail me directly, and I will be happy to Cc: anyone else expressing interest; I suspect I will not want to waste net bandwidth debating this because it is largely theoretical. Ern -----Original Message----- From: Jean-Francois Avon [SMTP:jf_avon@citenet.net] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 11:59 AM To: Ernest Hua Cc: Cypherpunks Subject: RE: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:35:40 -0700, Ernest Hua wrote: >I just don't understand how, in 1998, anyone could let Tenet get away >with a claim about key recovery like this. Didn't anyone ask him how he >expected high-tech hackers (especially those possibly aided by foreign >intelligence agencies) to use key recovery? Same thing (gross lies) happens in the "freedom to own and keep arms" context... Ciao jfa Definition: FACISM: n.: a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative political units, are controlled by a strong central government. ------------------------------------------------- "One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms". - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice. ------------------------------------------------- the German gun control laws were enacted by the "liberal" Weimar Republic government that preceded Hitler, and were a strong aid to his coming to power -- because they disarmed Hitler's opponents, and Hitler's adherents ignored them -- as criminals have always ignored gun control laws. Disarming the public is a frequent first step toward dictatorships and genocides. Once the disarming is complete, the public is helpless against those who have the guns. ------------------------------------------------- PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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