December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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Re: Membership (One user says:)
by John Baskind 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[long and acrimonious discussion, at present ending with this message, clipped] > Let's recall that once this ``situation'' is resolved, the list of > volunteer members/coders will likely increase. Many, I'm sure, myself > included, have held back. I am following this discussion with some alarm, and I am sure that many others who rely on everyone involved in this acrimony to keep our sites running are too. I think competition is very important, and the sort of internal competition you lot are involved in is crucial to the continued speedy evolution of the critical software you are making ( for us users, please be reminded). Those who rely on your skills and expertise--in other words, the vast majority of Apache users, which means, apparently, some 50% of the active Web at this point, NEED you, all of you, as a group. to continue to share your brains and their collective product, with us. Because the vast majority of us couldn't do what you do if our lives depended on it. I use mod_ssl, purely because it seemed easier to install and compile than Apache_SSL, and I really like Ralf's installation notes, not because I formed any judgement about the relative excellence of mod_ssl over Apache_SSL. I am not capable of making that judgement--I rely on YOUR assessments! I really don't care if it actually is easier to install or not; --from my point of view, I honor Tim Hudson and Ben Laurie, Ralf Engelschall and all the less public members of the Apache Group equally. Each of you contributes in a different way to make my life, and therefore livelihood, simpler and more pleasant. Part of my skill set is political consulting--if there's anything I've learned, it is that mud not only sticks to both the flinger and flingee, but also clouds all the subsequent issues between both parties to a remarkably large degree.

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It's Christmast Time
by rivers＠twistedtunes.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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It's Christmast Time
by rivers＠twistedtunes.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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I want to spam the Jury Duty information
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well if you are going to go to the trouble and expense, then you should also put something in there to educate the masses about how to use crypto to protect themselves, and why this is a good idea.

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OpenSSL
by Jack Rusher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I'm familiar with some background and some of the issues. Unfortunately, >what we are faced with is the idea that one group wants to "own" the >concept of an Open SSL project. This is certainly not the way to start >a successful, open source, group-based project. Hey, everybody, here is a novel idea: Why don't we look at this as a great opportunity to make some really good free software that will make all of our lives easier. It is time for the free SSL implementation to move into a larger (and more continously updated) group project. OpenSSL is a great idea, a great name for the idea, and it is the right time to do it. So, how about we stop looking at this as a pissing contest between some strong personalities? There are alot of talented developers on this list, and I think that we would all be better off working together than turning into a bunch of bitter, petty, ego driven camps that are primarily concerned with proving how large their genitals are. What I am trying to say is, if (for instance) Ben and Ralph would like to sit down for a pint and make nice with one another, I am buying. Name the pub, in the neutral country of your choice, and we are there. ;-) j.

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OpenSSL (whoever picks up the banner) Yeah!!
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com cc: Subject: Open Source separate from the Crypto export battle -------- Happy What ever to you all ! gee Anonymous... you seem to be quite angry... or a feeble provacateurs attempt to cause division in the ranks(Infowar Level 1 perhaps??) (as if there wasnt enough already...) I think its vitally important to recognize Sameers and C2Nets contribution to fighting against both the US bullshit export laws and to good quality cryptographic software... Stronghold while NOT open source has been a vital and much appreciated part of the battle against the eavesdroppers at the NSA/Interpol/GCHQ etc. I am however somewhat guarded about how Open Source OpenSSL will remain. For example will competitors to C2net be able to use it without licensing or fees to C2net in some form..? I would also like to thank Ben Laurie for making the patches available. A lot of sites run these worldwide. I sincerely wish the anonymous flamers would cease and desist you are contributing as much garbage as the average spammer to these lists If people dont make a profit from crypto activities... then there wont be any crypto... Again Sameer thanx for all you have done.. Seasons greetings Anon.

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No Subject
by rcballen＠mindspring.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

GAY

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I want to spam the Jury Duty information
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Well if you are going to go to the trouble and expense, then you >should also put something in there to educate the masses about >how to use crypto to protect themselves, and why this is a good >idea. And while we're being hypocritical and stealing (oh, it's okay because it's for "education"), maybe we ought to educate about why spam is bad, and how crypto may help end spam. Right. About the only thing you people are going to accomplish is to alienate anybody who might care what you have to say. While you're spamming, maybe you can even make the Cypherpunks look really bad. Hell, go ahead and put the list address as the "From" address. It will shut down the list, make us look like idiots, and accomplish very little, but it's for a good cause. After all, the ends always justify the means. When the USG wants to storm your home with a squad of ninjas, that's okay, so long as they're checking for drugs or other evil things. Since it will keep us all safe, let's eliminate privacy rights. The idea of spamming for "educational purposes" is the most obscene and stupid I've heard on this list in a while. Both of you read "The Prince" one too many times.

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17 Dec '03

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