December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: DNA
by Richard.Bragg＠ssa.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DNA testing can never prove anything. It can rule out someone completely and statistically make it very unlikely to be anyone else. But what about identical sib's. They all have exactly the same DNA! There are cases of such children where one becomes a pillar of society and the other less so. A DNA database would allow loads of stuff to be done. How about a designed disease or toxin that only affects certain gene carriers. This could be added to the food chain at any time you wanted to incapacitate a particular person or group of people without comprimising any one else. Fun hmmm!!!

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RE: DNA (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: DNA (fwd) > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:04:32 -0700 > Monozygotic [maternal] twins do have the same DNA. Hence they are > identical. In my earlier post I got the naming on the type of twin incorrect, it shouldn't have been identical. I was trying to explain that aspect in the second paragraph. My mistake. > Clones on the otherhand and have identical nuclear DNA, but are not > necessarily identical because some early development processes rely on > maternal genome material and not nuclear DNA, and depending on the > cloning process they may have different mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). I assume the mitochondrial differences are due to nucleus swapping, different line of extra-nuclear heritage? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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ATTN: BlackNet, sog's keys 4 sale
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear BlackNet, TOTO Enterprises, Bienfait, Saskatchewan hereby offers for sale sog's key under the BlackNet anonymous information market. Payments must be in anonymous ecash delivered to a digital dead drop to be arranged later. Or alternatively, we are willing to take bids in bottles of Scotch delivered to TOTO Key Escrow Services, Box 281, Bienfait, Saskatchewan SOC OMO. Please find enclosed Son of Gomez's key. Sincerely, Toto -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.2 hDwDqeLyyFpa0WsBAYCBbyWMo5Iw6imvX1D2Y3GRp3kuCGnEbgPRmQTyOKHoiSoi teyTpjuZNrAw9iGrvAamAAAEQShD47SVtGHkxHYI8BmXb+tvF65wOkOwClzYFjVL cBAD7FcyE8JqWiKVu5+iYEGqqIWkbVX61RetGDSVaErIOESUcRPce5e5muzWMfhe vFEaeu1IC3MnE3qmvEyJu6uTuQk/ahkLf5/l5ouprhIPs4yCxQhOM8WPIMy/pCuO QnVgQ2g4vYDPYRb4bRZXw9cKoKpbfKcrST5SXkfNVrYoAQf8WozqdIMGeeDoVWLG h7NjbtTsCbnO79DZm/b2fblKVQHVoJH+U60F2/b2WFx/JWDnacocJdfAzaeit3mJ FSEcPo1R5JDkfm022MJ7vaSKPpGjIhWS+07kyPLFf0Au1spr23Sabvmznkm8AXZZ tnUAjHY1PQvIqMwmZ+JZd5ihC72S1/b9mQwha/ICnwjCRSi3VJ9GJByiZ7Gpra09 UC8whkc6mVhJxXLzFoLKNvVg1nt5QXyRu7TpVjTgtTfusFhYkZ6sV6BMn6Rq1ppX DLqsZ+XWgYWAjrLeJv4z743LpB+NPQQIM4gklyggCY51VlW26JmXOu9Zv+J58Nqx O3S2MPaecYt/0yFKy80KdMYEAQycWaaWq00b4WIPzO/39oxhlAtdV7Xp9t5VFE9N f3Xnc8hyqrcHlJWMro+xLaWofJv/45GE5jz+oCZ0L0s2hxhZf5I2fRro65RZeBJl JNxuDl7iYAmUSXzH+taiHqZ4H9+6YLMxRVKHL4cFXUDIJ+JiUB+lFQy1GGaTh8YR uXfAtjiew2bCqaUmov7phgzwjnZD4iiLWrR4z4IyA3xkvAaFrPgprBDmp6SaTX4E Q43rrjgr+a/dc5vzm9rZ0BywIC60+1h7bz/Qu5jq0EAqitSXHHbjBbwxC8mAtjyK HpG3917gWIgJk82N6sNWywLBJLmkWusLLj6Z3YKTixjhoFC01WDaPvX/nc2nBuJ+ qEaAmi7fwD1IlESiC2wpKOFUR1zRxkk1X7+n1fdDTyfl6XnhHkOfj2iMyID+PHl6 A+0a+io89tEUNslh/YefcX6pNNtbeeetr9ySzAM3pS+264b7Fi9bw+NpV2BgsaST 0u9Yspjv3uQHPa6g2zFXkMSYzsOqmK9lblw29djiOGAe8g/xH9Xww/IpItNTG2aa St3AYPssbceylpwy8o1/mSgp5roaM6wQ//xkGSkIoPV3I9bdPckgo/IKJEuaLh0d XT7JGxHvG+Bb1jU/nPIod4YJIAPR8nKGwSGaHq/RyKXyVr7k7HQTqs+wrZ53zvEb HTqFOAa1oiYGJyyIiO73yeedYcXnc0uW77RqaBqQA0+ViTAs69GD2piK1sEzBP5J mDxeQvseR0H/i84bkGLUsHRcV/b/CoAmn+sbvSFRrtsO5G5gvejqJpZR69qMIo/J afwGLv3K/O1YVACKJme+3xHTEiGrCu3BfYoLDNdl0ubYqW0DSmOXyuhtcn+JlNoa GOsu7Q== =MILa -----END PGP MESSAGE----- *** The Fire House Inn *** Come visit us Telnet: fhouse.org WWW: fhouse.org ***********

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LUGGAGE, GARMENT BAGS, BREIFCASES, ETC.
by sendus＠earthcorp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: so, what did Toto *do*, exactly to get locked up? (Re: rules of en (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:00:01 +0100 (CET) > From: DOOM Anonymous Untraceable User <nobody(a)seclab.com> > Subject: Re: so, what did Toto *do*, exactly to get locked up? (Re: rules of en > > This does raise an interesting point about freedom of speech and the duties > > of LEA's. In a democratic society what are the ethical implications of LEA's > > archiving publicly available documents as a matter of course, not for > > inclusion in ongoing investigations but rather as a base for future > > investigations. > > Echelon. Also see [*1 below] No, you silly boy. Too simple an answer and not really relevant to the question I asked; I doubt the IRS is greatly interested in Echelon. Besides, I was pondering *ethical issues* not the reality of the world. > remailers are carriers. ECPA says that if you do not review content, you aren't > responsible for it. Does it really cover archives? Why are archivers carriers? They are certainly doing more than simply transfering data from here to there. They're making sure you can do it whenever. Further, there is a nagging implication of 'real-time' in that review stipulation. > Archivers are content providers. They have to make do with a 1st ammendment > fig leaf. So to be qualified the content must be publicly accessible? Or is private access ok as well? Is 'content provider' the same as 'content carrier'? > [hey, Jim really is protected. He's not even allowed to read CDR mail.] What a silly interpretation. I am subscribed just like anyone else, of course I can read the traffic. Near as I can tell I just can't read it *before* everyone else gets to read it (ie on the outbound leg of its journey through SSZ). > [preamble] Want to clarify that comment? (it's a joke) > ECPA) were paramount in the suit. The plaintiffs claimed the > Secret Service violated two provisions -- one prohibiting > unjustified "disclosure and use" of e-mail (18 U.S.C. 2703; the This aspect clearly isn't going to apply to a publicly accessible mailing list since it's going to be very near impossible to argue for any right to privacy since a submitter *wants* others to see their traffic and there is the implied intent to distribute without restriction (at least on the cpunks). > other prohibiting "interception" of e-mail (18 U.S.C. 22511(1)). This would prevent me or anyone else, at least on the surface of it, from getting at the content *prior* to the distribution phase. > [*1 Interesting. Maybe they have Toto for something intercepted illegally > and they're trying to find it from another source (by subpoena).] I suspect they have Toto for something in meatspace and not specificaly for something on this mailing list. Near as I can figure they're trolling the list to get ancillary evidence of intent and potentialy evidence of accomplices. > [re: public domain software on ftp archives] > > It matters not, IMHO, since an ftp archive site qualifies as a library > open to the public. Which means what? At this point the contents of such a site are clearly intended for review without constraint on the end use, at least I've never had a public library employee or ftp operator ask me what I'm wanting the info for. Or is the implication that such a site would be protected from monitoring prior to the files being placed in the archive? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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NSA Info Sought
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An international television corporation seeks current or former National Security Agency employees and/or military members willing to provide information on the NSA base at Menwith Hill, England, and other operations of the US's global electronic surveillance and interception program. E-Mail: jy(a)jya.com JYA/Urban Deadline 251 West 89th Street, Suite 6E New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-873-8700 Fax: 212-799-4003 Anonymous and encrypted messages welcome. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.2 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQGiBDUT1GoRBAD96qrjqMjIZK30XrvsEgsDssidjh4gjxoM3XZwYvjuNqohFUYC W6ktcjtHkITXeCP0leprRByF4LIZZp75JrR/FODnpELnTQwzQ03kD/OTRBl+m2ED /3N4T29KwwKdvEvfoKgJ8UYrAb4nS5F7W26kiKAIslpIIKBSdMCWszoBRwCg/ydS 4PuvY6YJMbHc3Ir0OpW9NZ8EANM9K1c7OKDOQEriJOtYqlwd//qKP2GQLvq7Kdel /fjZRKBDW3vRRJZvNkTpMN44eRz2wJxuQh1Jjqj/RWO7+KkeJF1ftVhWcC3kzmBa 7HX2CXmFX2Y+/Fqk1nyzDh2hD5nDidYS4uDMgNfAKs8WBVqWY9l9rHmX3LvoKIUP WYGWBADFmYF5n+6LMwnrEWJb3/G/LPTz8bupjZAX3pk7JAysJjwet1ZRfN356RuF 8p4ia4BY8evpmwG0ICW0skrzPf6EelOGef7RpQN+4CSTHaF2lsMe4PFfQSI9c7lP vGG74byiiR7V9BpWR6yhsB18FZhrCXkp44HQTFEbqbDbKwB3krQdSm9obiBZb3Vu ZyA8anlhQHBpcGVsaW5lLmNvbT6JAEsEEBECAAsFAjUT1GoECwMCAQAKCRCDRF/O eTbvYJ2pAJ0cPHIxXi8h0tbgWOH9NgPof7uH7QCfee3M2/PHjS59s5KTLHi1qrHu O+m5Ag0ENRPUaxAIAPZCV7cIfwgXcqK61qlC8wXo+VMROU+28W65Szgg2gGnVqMU 6Y9AVfPQB8bLQ6mUrfdMZIZJ+AyDvWXpF9Sh01D49Vlf3HZSTz09jdvOmeFXklnN /biudE/F/Ha8g8VHMGHOfMlm/xX5u/2RXscBqtNbno2gpXI61Brwv0YAWCvl9Ij9 WE5J280gtJ3kkQc2azNsOA1FHQ98iLMcfFstjvbzySPAQ/ClWxiNjrtVjLhdONM0 /XwXV0OjHRhs3jMhLLUq/zzhsSlAGBGNfISnCnLWhsQDGcgHKXrKlQzZlp+r0ApQ mwJG0wg9ZqRdQZ+cfL2JSyIZJrqrol7DVekyCzsAAgIIANDxYVQYe4ZXIS8pYMT5 RyCM1IH8Zl2D29Dem3DpaR8nIaaV7S3MqtQ78m0dH2ae5GeyVEmNl1Hbr0N2SHzi tmAMHqU2wriYsWuczFO+55Qman924+0LHJTykpj6LIzs7C426hkj23nuDc4m4y4n p8wCLg8f4ySWwDHdFNgydRwcgC6M8Z5HqFeCsUFX5KPbZjxmMyD+jzoeKSKtju4D MqTMvbotVDycnjB4P2aXEas1iie4irlgB/bNsQCFQY3KdTJsCkb70KwaK+eAzo5Y iXXREZqK9XsIR65AG5B6jenwziwrTEirCtqDs4gqBt54X/IeKIjJDIYwTmUyxIcW GK2JAEYEGBECAAYFAjUT1GsACgkQg0Rfznk272D76gCg/LOtMsq7I0NnuEp3qr/I qKmOJngAoNPsyKKflQrPkA6LAJfFXVRmRSdx =KgPx -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sure bet the "EOP" was jerking Softwar's chain, observing one or two levels deeper what he reports he was getting from his ISP. Such reconnaissance by fire is customary practice, according to multi-level logs of the snoopers prowling the finer-grained log levels down to what semi-skilled ISPs are able to keep track of, report on, and fend the prying devils/customers off with. Watch out, though, for the deepwatchers of the recon teams sent out as freshmeat from compsec training bases of the infrastructure protection farms, some working for, running ISPs. Some of the recon by fire teams are bait the CI meanies use to snare those working both sides, you know, the venerated old salts "who set up Arpanet" and their hotshot inheritors at the best universities and tanks in the country convinced they know what's best for the churchgoers of techno future. Software mentioned the name of one of them advising on how to do this, though it's not clear that Smith knew who he was inadverdently passing over while he was avidly trying to catch mechanical rabbits sent out to run the inbred speedsters ragged chasing easy prey, not knowing, not caring, they're on a track, just displaying they're trained to hang in there in sniffing range of the bunny's ass: Brown, Foster, Podesta, Hillary, Bill. EOP is not only what it's reported to be. Nor is any address that's readily traceable. Onion layered they are, more than NRL knows. Bet Anonymizer is not only what it's reported to be, that is, the semi-sharp operators don't know what it's being used to onion. Are remailers, recon by fire. Like this? Is strong encryption the answer? Right, peddle that.

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We spy for you
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠BXL.DG13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/middle.phtml?channel=netzwelt&rub=02&cont=th…

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Re: "We have to destroy privacy in order to protect privacy"
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠BXL.DG13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Slogan in the Subject used by Tim May. http://www.metromail.com/ sold for 845 Mio $. business: collecting and selling personal data from open sources. T. Schlickmann

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Re: PRNGs and testers.
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Hi, > > A few questions on Pseudo Random Number Generators... > > 1. Which are the best software PRNG's available today? > > 2. Are there any software implementations to test the randomness of a > PRNG ? I've looked at Diehard - is there anything else? > I found Bruce Schneier's paper on PRNGs at http://www.counterpane.com somewhat eye-opening.

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