December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: re:700 Club etc.
by djw＠eff.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:21 PM 10/21/93 -0500, F_GRIFFITH(a)CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU wrote: >The right to encryption and the "right" to abortion don't have the same >basis - encryption kills no one. I'm not sure that the FBI would agree with the second half of your statement... ................................................................... Daniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel <djw(a)eff.org> Electronic Frontier Foundation 1001 G St, NW Suite 950 East Washington, DC 20001 202-347-5400 (v) 202-393-5509 (f)

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Re: Gold in them thar Bills...
by lefty＠apple.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Have you ever heard of doing an assay? > >Yes, but that would be at the expense of the owner, and if it looks like >gold, feels heavy in the hand like gold, and if it has the word Canada and >the number .999 stamped on it, then people (bankers) might take it at face >value (or might not, depending on the stability of that country). The "expense" of doing an assay is minimal. As another poster has pointed out, assaying is essentially trivial, given the right materials. -- Lefty (lefty(a)apple.com) C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

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Metaverse info (was: Introducing digital cash in a MOO)
by plaz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>can you send me info on how to gain access to metaverse? I've had a couple of requests to this effect. I originally tried to keep it off the list, but have decided that by sending business thier way I was actually contributing to one of the few digital cash startups in existance. Illuminatus wizards feel free to correct any mistakes. you can access the metaverse via: 'telnet metaverse.io.com 7777' That is domain name: metaverse.io.com port: 7777. To login, type as instructed: 'connect guest' At this point you can browse around with one of the pre-made characters. To get your own character, you'll have to sign up for an account @io.com. You can do this by: 'telnet io.com' ...and following instructions. Have a credit card ready. The base fees are $10/month for telnet access only. Other structures are available. Once you have an account, send mail to mentor(a)io.com from your io.com account with character name and password. You can find me in the 'verse as PlasticBeethoven. I am currently setting up a branch office of the Extropians Institute (Freegate Virtual Branch). Feel free to drop by and offer encouragement/suggestions/criticisms. ('go to ExI' will get you there.) Forward, upward, outward, onward, and every which way but loose! _______________________________________________________________________ Geoff Dale -- insert standard disclaimers here -- plaz(a)netcom.com "We are the shock troops of reality." - Voice of the Friends (Wild Palms)

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Re: Eavedropping techniques revealed!
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>/dev/audio is set to a default mode of 666 NeXT had the same problem; a few years ago users eavesdropped over the Internet. The next release of the NeXT OS plugged the hole by limiting access to whoever was logged into the console. Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com

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Digital cash
by kone＠COURIER1.SHA.CORNELL.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While looking for a copy of Gresham's law, I ran accross William Brough's book "Open mints and Free Banking". On page 35 he writes "The more efficent money will always drive from circulation the less efficient if the individuals who handel money are left free to act in their own interest. It is only when bad money is endorsed by the State with the proprty of legal tender that it can drive good money from circulation." I think that as a few of the bugs are worked out of digital cash, in a free market, it would quickly drive out paper. Kone(a)courier1.sha.cornell.edu

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Canon copiers
by XXCLARK＠indst.indstate.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Called a Canon copier dealer today. Here's what he said regarding the copying of currency [only after my convincing him I was not inter- ested in a career in funny money]: All Canon color copiers have _always_ marked their output with the serial number of the machine on which they were produced. [I failed to ask about non-color copiers.] He mentioned, specifically, currency, photographs and food stamps as examples of copied items from which the serial number could be recovered by Canon. Canon color laser copiers CL-300 and CL-500, not currently being produced, but still available, do _not_ have the anti-currency device included. They _do_, he said, place the machine serial number in copies made. Canon color laser copiers CL-350 and CL-550 _do_ have the anti- currency device included, which he said is a black box to local repair- men. He continued to say that not only would these models, when given currency to copy, produce only a black rectangle, but also: - store a copy of what one had attempted to copy in memory, and; - lock the machine in such a manner that only someone from the Canon factory "might" be able to render the machine useable. These machines also place the machine serial number in copies it allows to be made, he said. Only on the last item did his answer seem uncertain. His first response was that "the machine would be virtually destroyed." Anyone want to test this for us? He _did_ suggest which Canon copier would do a good job copying currency. I still haven't found the trade mag in which I originally read this...

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Re: Canon copiers
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> response was that "the machine would be virtually destroyed." > Anyone want to test this for us? Stand back, the thermite grenade in the black box could be hot. ;^) I'd like to know how they put the serial number into the copy. Paul E. Baclace peb(a)procase.com

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Re: Gold in them thar Bills...
by msattler＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>writes pmetzger(a)lehman.com (Perry E. Metzger) > >>I can take the pound of gold to MTB down the block and have dollars, >>yen, or anything else I like, within 15 minutes. I can then take those >>to buy Big Gulps. > >writes hsuutala(a)fmdmfg2.intel.com (Howard Suutala - ICD) > >Yes, as long it was been minted in a recognized form i.e. a gold eagle, >a panda, or gold peso. A gob of yellow shinny stuff is just that until >it has been assayed, and then it is only as good as the backing or >reputation of the assayer. Isn't that just part of the recognition process, like "is this bill a real one, let me look..." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael S. Sattler msattler(a)netcom.com +1 (415) 621-2903 Digital Jungle Software Encrypt now; ask me how. (finger for PGP key) All that is required for evil to triumph is for {wo}men of good will to do nothing.

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Regarding serializing photo copies.....
by sswift＠falcon.lhup.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Why do they not just watermark every sheet of paper in a specific way that identifies it with which lot, from which manufacturer that it came from? Might as well take paranoia to an extreme..... Sean Swift sswift(a)falcon.lhup.edu

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Re: CRYPTO + REPUTATIONS = A NEW ERA
by grand-central!amix!chip 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >Some percentage of all the digital money "in circulation" will >actually be primarily "pinging" money, designed to ping (test) the >system. (After a while, expect this to go down.) The beauty is that Maybe this is what my mom was talking about when she told me she was saving her ping money. Or something like that. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Chip Morningstar |"Going into VR is like | | Electric Communities | wearing a pair of rented | | 3339 Kipling, Palo Alto, CA 94306 | bowling shoes on your face." | | 415-856-1130 | -- Doug Crockford | | chip(a)netcom.com or chip(a)amix.com | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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