December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Why is cryptoanarchy irreversible?
by Murray Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 08 Nov 1996 14:46:56 +0100, Matts Kallioniemi wrote: >At 17:12 1996-11-07 -0800, jim bell wrote: >>Simple analogy: Suppose you put two people into a room with a deck of >>playing cards and a table, instructing "Person A" to build a house-of-cards, >>and telling "Person B" to stop him from achieving his goal. Who do you >>think will win? Obviously, the latter will win: It's vastly easier to >>knock such a structure down than to build it in the first place, and all >>"Person B" has to do is occasionally take a whack at the structure. > >What if Person A is better armed? Could that change the outcome? > > > What if person A has a pack of chewing gum? mhayes(a)infomatch.com It's better for us if you don't understand It's better for me if you don't understand -Tragically Hip

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unsubcribe
by Edouard Janssens 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: His and Her Anarchies
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca wrote: >Most reasonable sophisticated men are happier in an environment that >included women. Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> wrote: >I think if people were really honest, they'd admit that, by and large, >men like men and women like women. Well, ignoring the narcissistic overtones of your comment, and the fact that I was quoting David Gelernter from Yale, I could point out the qualifier "reasonably sophisticated" or the relative comparator "happier", but I think it will suffice to say that an environment that included women may just include your mother. And wouldn't we all be happier with our mommy around? Ciao, James You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool mom.

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Re: pgp3
by Gary Howland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Someone suggested to me that Derek posted a draft spec for PGP 3.0. > Anyone know of the whereabouts of this document. Yes. That document has evolved to RFC 1991: 1991 I D. Atkins, W. Stallings, P. Zimmermann, "PGP Message Exchange Formats", 08/16/1996. (Pages=21) (Format=.txt)

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Georgia Internet Law
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>X-Sender: rcostner(a)intergate.net >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 02:07:00 -0500 >Reply-To: Electronic Frontiers Ga Action Mailing List <ACTION(a)efga.org> >From: "Robert A. Costner" <pooh(a)efga.org> >Subject: Georgia Internet Law > >Here's some info on the HB1630 issue... > >>Return-Path: <jfaber(a)A.crl.com> >>Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:32:13 -0800 >>From: Joe Faber <jfaber(a)A.crl.com> >>Reply-To: joefaber(a)dwt.com >>Organization: Davis Wright Tremaine >>I have published an article on your case against the law in my firm's >>First Amendment Law Letter, if you would like to link to it. The >>article can be found at >>http://www.dwt.com/News/firstamendnews/regulation.html. >> >>Joe Faber FYI--Internet law issues Cordially, Alec PGP Fingerprint: pub 1024/41207EE5 1996/04/08 Alec McCrackin <camcc(a)abraxis.com> Key fingerprint = 09 13 E1 CB B3 0C 88 D9 D7 D4 10 F0 06 7D DF 31

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Enabling Electronic Commerce
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Would anyone know of a source for the "Enabling Electronic Commerce" paper listed below? The hyperlink gave a 404 but identified the document as "iiicecom.htm." ---------- http://www.x3.org/itic/961031.htm [Excerpt] World's Leading IT Industry Associations Reach Accord On Global Information Society Policy Issues October 31, 1996, Napa, California The world's leading information technology industry associations completed work today on policy recommendations to stimulate the realization of a Global Information Society. These recommendations, or common views papers, were adopted by the group at the conclusion of this week's International Information Industry Congress (IIIC) in Napa Valley, California. They cover the following issues: Enabling Electronic Commerce -- discusses the requirements for successful international electronic commerce: cryptography policy; acceptance of electronic proofs; digital signatures; and electronic contracts and receipts. [Snip balance of document]

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What is: Returned mail: User Unknown
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:17:40 +1100 >To: mianigand(a)outlook.net, cypherpunks(a)toad.com >To: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >To: cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com >References: <199611111831.KAA10148(a)toad.com> >X-Loop: postmaster(a)opennet.net.au >Subject: Returned mail: User Unknown >From: Open Net Postmaster <postmaster(a)opennet.net.au> >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > > >The address you mailed to is no longer valid. >This is probably because the user in question was an >old Open Net subscriber. Open Net is NO LONGER an ISP, >and has not been since May 1996. > >We have no redirection address for that user. Please >remove them from any mailing lists you might have. > >This response was generated automatically. I have received about 20 of these messages. Anyone else with this problem? Cordially, Alec PGP Fingerprint: pub 1024/41207EE5 1996/04/08 Alec McCrackin <camcc(a)abraxis.com> Key fingerprint = 09 13 E1 CB B3 0C 88 D9 D7 D4 10 F0 06 7D DF 31

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RE: Returned mail: User Unknown
by Juriaan Massenza 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Looking at the To: line looks to me like a smart ass more that a genuine "unknown user" reply... >---------- >From: Open Net Postmaster[SMTP:postmaster@opennet.net.au] >Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 1996 9:11 AM >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com; owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com; >cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com >Subject: Returned mail: User Unknown > > >The address you mailed to is no longer valid. >This is probably because the user in question was an >old Open Net subscriber. Open Net is NO LONGER an ISP, >and has not been since May 1996. > >We have no redirection address for that user. Please >remove them from any mailing lists you might have. > >This response was generated automatically. > >

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Re: Not. [Was Re: Federal Reserve Bank is ILLEGAL?]
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:57 PM 11/11/1996, "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin(a)law.miami. wrote: > On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Doug Renner wrote: >> article nearly head-on. However is it true that what you are saying is >> that two fundamental premises in the article you refer to as "rabid" are >> incorrect? Namely: >> "ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8 OF THE CONSTITUTION STATES THAT CONGRESS SHALL HAVE >> THE POWER TO COIN (CREATE) MONEY AND REGULATE THE VALUE THEREOF. > The above is a true statement. Note however that "congress" cannot > operate the mint. It must -- **MUST** -- delegate this duty to the > executive branch (or someone outside the legislative branch, cf. Chadha > v. U.S.) if it wants it done. Congress is free to select the type > of agent it wants to do this. Indeed, if Congress chose to license > private mints, that would, IMHO be legal. The point here is that the > states don't have the power to coin money. During the Free Banking Era, banks and companies issued their own dollars. I believe that at that time the dollar was defined in terms of a certain weight of gold. The value of any dollar you might be holding was related to the level of confidence in the institution that issued it. Books were published which recorded the "exchange rate" between each kind of dollar. This is very similar to Congress licensing private mints. Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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More snake oil: ENIGMA
by Steven Weller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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