December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Please include me
by KCzzzzz＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Include me on your mailing list

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Q to cypherpunks. WAS:Re: Please stop forwarding Canadian Firearms Digest to Cypherpunks List!
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Q for you CPunks: did PGP v.5.5.3i was truly peer-reviewed for flaws or backdoors? If not, which is that last version that was? On Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:20:42 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >Hi! Of course most of us believe that firearms registration is wrong >and that the right to own weapons is the right to be free, >and I suppose it is a break from Clinton&Monica rants, >but still, please stop forwarding the Canadian firearms stuff to >the cypherpunks list. Is is not about the right to be free, it is about govt organizing seriously to deny that right. :-S OK, I'll stop. No problemo Bill. OTOH, I will still post articles with relevance to crypto from the list or elsewhere. Some of thoses articles will possibly have nothing to do with crypto except that they will be modifications or subtleties of ITAR. Just so you know: I spend a lot of keystrokes teaching PGP to various peoples nowadays... Ciao all C'Punks. jfa Jean-Francois Avon, Pierrefonds (Montreal), Canada Unregistered Firearms in the hands of honest citizens: Liberty's Teeth Strong Cryptographic tools in the hands of honest citizens: Liberty's Voice He who beats his sword into a ploughshare will get coerced to plow for those who don't... PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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Re: Please include me
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by bill301＠success600.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Ordered to be celibate?
by Rain Dog 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Judge Orders Teen To Be Celibate CAMBRIDGE, Ill. (AP) -- A teen-ager who pleaded guilty to stealing handguns must remain celibate for 2 1/2 years unless he gets married, a judge said. Brandon Stevens, 17, was sentenced Wednesday to 30 months probation, 180 days in jail and a $2,000 fine. Henry County Judge Clarke Barnes said Stevens won't have to serve jail time if he completes treatment at a halfway house and meets conditions that include the celibacy rule. ``Certainly he's got no business having sexual relations with people to whom he's not married,'' Barnes said. Prosecutor Ted Hamer said the requirement was based on the judge's learning in court that Stevens was sexually active, not because of any sexually related charges. The American Civil Liberties Union said Stevens' sex life is none of the judge's business. And it's not clear how to enforce Barnes' order. ``It's sort of a self-policing type of order,'' Hamer said. ``Nobody's going to be spying on him or looking in windows. I think the judge just hopes he'll abide by the order.'' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Brown, R Ken" <brownrk1(a)texaco.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 05:28:08 -0500 > I don't believe there are that many natural monopolies Where there *are* > natural monopolies it is because the entry cost is higher than any likely > profit. There are some additional issues involved other than start-up cost. Such things as market saturation and information hording. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 02:43:25 -0700 > One thing that has changed fundamentally in the Information Age is the > ability for the consumer to get informed -- the ease if information > publishing and retrieval and the inability to control it. Actualy you are ascribing an effect as the cause. The information is there because the holders believe it's in their best interest to dissiminate it. As companies (the US Army' current behaviour is a good example) become to respect the distribution capability of the internet you'll see a reduction of information available. > Reputation has > more value then ever. Malarky. Reputation is irrelevant, just examine the prisoners delima. Those who put reputation over action are setting themselves up for a classic abuse of trust. > Government cannot protect people from their own decisions, and should > not have the right to take those decisions away. > I wouldn't eat at McDonalds even with all the regulation. You've got to be married or have lots of free time...;) > More often than not regulation is a false sense of security, and often > protects companies from legitimate liability (although god knows our > liability/tort system is completely out of whack). More often that not regulation is the result of abuse of the market by a manufacturer and is imposed ex post facto. It's intent is to eliminate future abuses. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 02:26:21 -0700 > > In what way are the resulting markets different from > > either the producers or consumers view? > > Views on intellectual property and the obvious marketplace changes due > to an IP or lack of IP framework would be the major difference IMHO. I Explain further, from your description of the differences there are no fundamental mentionings or views of intellectual property. As a matter of fact the specific role of the individual is never even mentioned in either definition. It's almost like there is something poping out of thin air... > > Explain further what you mean by abolition of force is a > > prerequisite please. > > Basically no person (or entity) can use force (or its derivatives) > against another person (or entity). Your long history of criminal law, > except stripped of all victimless crimes. So people don't have a right to self-defence? I agree consensual crimes are not crimes. > > And what specificaly do you mean by proper role of government? > > "What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual > right to lawful defense. Is it? Or is it simply another sort of coercion to cooperate with the collective? Is it not actualy the embodyment of ideals, an attempt at utopia if you will? > Each of us has a natural right--from God--to defend his person, his > liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of > life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent > upon the preservation of the other two. For what are our faculties but > the extension of our individuality? And what is property but an > extension of our faculties? I'm interesting to see how you reconcile the belief nobody has a right to use force yet has a right to defend their life. By facluty I assume you mean our emotional and psychological makeup coupled with our sensory record of them. I'd say that such issues are not a facet of individualism but rather a characteristic of life itself. As to property, it is a consequence of our biology, if that is a consequence of our faculties, and not visa versa, I'd doubt. > If every person has the right to defend -- even by force -- his person, > his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have > the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights No it doesn't. You must first prove that a group of individuals have some right that as individuals they don't have. For one thing, even in your definition, rights are a fundamental aspect of birth as an individual. Something I've yet to see. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:33:24 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > In america the various mafias get plently of competition, > mostly by means short of actual warfare. Coke is a free > market except for police intervention, and the local church > is most certainly not a monopoly. Coke is a free-market? That's a laugh. I suggest you study the history of the Crips and related gangs, or the international Coke distributors. At no time was there more than a dozen or so groups and they worked cooperatively in many cases. As to the 'various mafias', in case you hadn't heard, they've been organized and integrated for about 30-40 years depending on who you ask. They cooperatively divide up territories and product lines between them to guarantee a minimum of violence and maximize profit for each member. However, I would lay dollars to donuts that if you were to go start your own family there would be very little consideration as to the consequences. Make no bones about it, if we're talking national or international crime it is most definitely organized and cooperatively arranged between a small set of players. That's a monopoly. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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