December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Question about anarchic systems and natural disasters (fwd)
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Hohensee wrote: > Anonymous wrote: >> Soren writes: >> > Simple, they would work anarchically. If the guy whose house is >> > burning down is an assh*le, then let it burn. >> Now you know why Choate fears anarchy. >Fortunately for the alleged assh*le, there are likely lots of people >(i.e. _firemen_) who are willing to come and put out his fire, if Mr. >assh*le has contracted with them or someone else who has in turn >contracted with them. If they didn't, they would be marked (correctly) >assh*les, and nobody would contract with them anymore, and they'd get >real poor real fast. >Michael Hohensee No-one's yet noticed that my Jim's house burning down is a problem for his neighbours. Not just for the fear and distress it causes them but because the fire might spread to their houses. Which is why we have fire brigades. And why they are nearly always paid for out of tax. Almost the last thing in the world anyone does privately. Of course, that applies to cities, not to the country - but cities are where it's at. Ken Brown.

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by sunny＠mail.gklub.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Does anyone have FTP acess to Litronic.com?
by hurley bryan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Expect the expected
by Frederick Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: IP: Clinton Wants Loophole In U.S. Free Speech Closed (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:53:29 -0500 > From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: IP: Clinton Wants Loophole In U.S. Free Speech Closed (fwd) > >State regulation on speech, press, etc. are also completely constitutional > > The 14th supersedes this somewhat; states can't violate > federal-constitutional rights in ways that they could before it > when they had the 10th to permit them. Where? Speech is a right not an immunity or privilige and the 14th doesn't extend a single right only federaly mandated immunities and priviliges. That is unless you're willing to let your rights become priviliges or immunities given by the federal government. Not exactly what a right started out to be. The 14th is great spin-doctor bull-shit. > Some freedom of choice - if you don't like what the government forces > on you, move. "Democracy" means that if 50% of the people > vote for a system like that, you're stuck with it. Actualy ours requires 75%. > Now, it's certainly better than systems like serfdom or Sovietism, > where you weren't allowed to move either, and it's also better > to have non-homogeneity available nearby. True, but this is confusing a particular implimentation (however flawed) with the principles behind it. Not the most accurate representation. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:36:49 -0500 > From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: RE: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the (fwd) > At 10:38 AM 11/10/98 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > >Your right, let me spell it out. Free-markets as depicted by > >anarcho-whatever theories legitimize theft, physical violence, extortion, etc. > > Nonsense. Governments are the ones who claim legitimacy for > their theft, violence, and extortion. Nonsense, in this country the people chose to give the federal government specific duties in regards violence and when it could be used and how. It's nowhere near as one-sided as you would have anyone believe. > Free markets consider those things > to be bad, though in some free markets they're for sale anyway. I find NOTHING in free-market theory that says violence is bad let alone that it won't be prevelant. I hear a lot of folks claim this is the natural result but then again, that's what Trotsky and his ilk did back at the beginning of this century. Simply claiming something about a potential system is not the same as demonstrating that it actualy works that way. > Nonsense again. Social institutions aren't a market issue, They are if they impact what people do with their income. Simply saying that we're going to ignore the political and economic impact of a sector of human indeavour simply because it doesn't if within a nice little chart is a disservice. > though some services provided by them can also be provided by markets, > i.e. hiring people to do things. They're a social issue, and > people will form social institutions to do things if they want. Which takes money and time which has to come and go somewhere. > Absence of coercion doesn't mean absence of cooperation. Please demonstrate what about anarchy will coerce (there is no other term) individuals to do what is best for their neighbor. In the process you will need to demonstrate as well why other systems prevent or prohibit such expression currently. > Anarchists are perfectly good at having schools, churches, > volunteer fire companies, theater groups, and soup kitchens, > and they still raise their kids, live inside if they want, If taken as individual instances, trying to argue from the specific to the general in this case raises a whole can of worms that none of you are answering, though I must admit some very nifty side-steps. > Just because you don't have a social institution that announces > that it has the job of killing anybody who competes with it or > fails to obey its proclamations of the will of the majority > doesn't mean you don't have social institutions. Nobody claimed that Bill, straw-man. > You've sure got the cart before the horse here. > Most anarchists I know, whether leftists or libertarians, > care more about justice and equity than any government > I've encountered (maybe not more than the citizens > ruled by the government, but more than the government itself.) > We just don't think a State is a good or likely way to get them, > given too much experience to the contrary, even if some occasional > groups of people have some limited success running a limited government > for short periods of time. Explain how it works, it's that simple (and repeated for about the umpteenth time). I find another aspect of anarchism pretty interesting, that is the level of cooperation and homogeneity it would require for people to work together. They have to give up various expressions of their religions and personal beliefs in order to participate, othewise they let the assholes house burn or whatever. Sounds suspicously like socialism where each person is expected to participate and produce according to the good of the many. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Question about anarchic systems and natural disasters (fwd)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Soren writes: > Simple, they would work anarchically. If the guy whose house is > burning down is an assh*le, then let it burn. Now you know why Choate fears anarchy.

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Some interesting computational articles [/.]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://slashdot.org/ > Linux at Supercomputing '98 Linux Posted by sengan on Monday November > 16, @03:14PM > from the where-we-kick-ass dept. > John A. Turner writes "Haven't seen anything on /. about how much > Linux-related stuff there was at Supercomputing '98 so thought I'd > mention it. One of the best things was a panel discussion titled > "Clusters, Extreme Linux, and NT". There's a nice summary of the > Linux-related events at SC '98 at the Extreme Linux site " Note that > reactions to Red Hat's support options announcements included One area > in which Linux is far ahead of the pack is clustering. Has any > participant written up a summary we could post? Update Rahul Dave has > written a report for us. > Read More... > 18 comments > Chaos in the Machine Science Posted by CmdrTaco on Monday November > 16, @02:19PM > from the science-is-cool dept. > carter writes "It appears Georgia Institute of Technology & Sudeshna > Sinha of the Institute of Mathematical Science in Madras, India, > published the first design for a chaotic computer. Such computers > could in theory could preform trillions of operations a second. Think > of how fast your kernels will compile with one of those things. :-) " > Read More... > 28 comments > Overview, Chip challange and Progress Hardware Posted by CmdrTaco on > Monday November 16, @10:45AM > from the stuff-to-read dept. > J Widjaja writes "Infoworld carries an article which describe recent > advances and challange on chip technology. This article gives nice > overview of chip industry direction." > Read More... > 11 comments ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:17:12 +0100 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > Subject: RE: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the (fwd) > This is the central disconnect between you and the other side. You > obviously have as a core assumption that people should be /required/ > to do what is best for their neighbor. Not even close junior. > Most anarchists would reject that assumption. As would I. > Instead, an anarchist would say "The best thing I > can do for my neighbor (and the only thing I 'owe' him) is to leave > him alone." That is, I have no affirmative obligation to do anything > for my neighbor to make his life better. You also have no right to do anything to make their life worse either. THAT is my objection to anarchism, it has zero, nada, null, nul, nil, none, zipo recognition of others peoples rights and an individuals responsibility to respect them. It further refuses to recognize that to help others is to help oneself in many cases. Get your facts straight (but that's probably asking too much). ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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