December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Slander of Catholic Church
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 7:42 PM 6/10/96, Rich Burroughs wrote: >.... Okay, how about this: it's a _religion_ that uses >deception, mind control techniques, and criminal activities to >attempt to get as much possible money from as many marks^H^H^H^H^H >worshippers as possible, and goes to extreme lengths to silence >its critics. I don't think this vicious criticism of the Catholic Church is warranted here! Many of those investigated by the Holy Office actually _were_ heretics, and the turning of bread into the holy flesh of Our Lord Jesus Christ has been verified by Vatican scientists. Further, those peasants of Latin America who give their earnings to the Church so that more jewel-encrusted crosses and goblets can be bought do not see themselves as victims of a scam. After all, the Church may get richer in this secular world as they get poorer, but the Church promises them a seat at St. Peter's dinner table in the next life. As to the Church silencing its critics...surely you are not referring to that Jew slander about the Vatican banker found hanging from Black Friar's bridge in London? Or the Protestant myth about Opus Dei and its dispensation of papal justice? The Pope can utter nothing that is false when he speaks ex cathedra. You heathens had better remember this, else you may expect an invitation from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (which some of you heretics and nonbelievers may know by its old name, the Sacred Congregation of Universal Inquisition). Millions alive today will reveal the truth before they die. --Cardinal Timothy May (Who believes all cults and religions are basically the same shuck and jive, and who thinks the "Church of Scientology" is actually a little bit less foolish that the Church of Mormon, with its "baptism of dead ancestors" into the Church, the funny underwear people have to secretly wear, etc. However, I have great respect for the practical tactics of the Mormons, and no respect for the day to day behavior of the CoS.) Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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PGP key revocation
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you exchanged private email with me in the last 18 months, encrypted or not, in either direction, you should assume that it has been read. If you want to contact me, please use my alpha pager, rich(a)beep.stanford.edu (60 characters in the Subject: line) or leave a message at 415-725-7710 and I will call you back. My backup key 0x6992AB4D is probably still secure, but I'm going to generate a new one as soon as I find the time to build a clean machine. Thank you for playing. -rich -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzCFUi4AAAEEAN/ubnqjGw3s2lNatp3UIqsMarHA9GyZQijm5kgSMaSrsp6M u43nYmUvcfEAffDv4bH2uH6D1KnSx5DlNoC7uxzjD2jJjAcIiEo/5wkGrBPUBjA+ C9hHsVXIrzDvXWcz/iHAJhyljgqGl9NkvGAy6PNLcJk/ljmixI3DXUbM57SdAAUR iQCVAwUgMbxsZY3DXUbM57SdAQGudwP+MOWhcL+ZtoPDMjZg/qcUyLINlp/0y2/o 9K/bluz0C5Q62wN+9NV3FCghdtdUTYjPd0bMUKVjRds0jedAq5yOqoc3nTamiqa2 Y1ybm7gnlpqubrbVlFnlFLRJspDva6wZfD8Hdzrd0X/BfWIJYLv17epZYue3WCDF zsW2B0n4GNK0N1JpY2hhcmQgQ2hhcmxlcyBHcmF2ZXMgPGxsdXJjaEBuZXR3b3Jr aW5nLnN0YW5mb3JkLmVkdT6JARUDBRAxQg5/iBwV98nhsvEBAXEfB/9KaEAILYNA sNMiIhjcgJWYXh0bfpgNA53wch4jcwpUtn7btnfvpiHXBsfzGhkbNjjVRUqjRzwF 3MvwZvj+ABCIe+JKD2HEZZDe1GH5Bx/OKNWnTxfNQK4oy1pjwQ+mTVHYj1c+P4qb naPW8BLc6rL1jKtDjH0Jm/xC5f1H7dtSTPewv/n4JrcBZFeneOnPOJoM33NQbOgJ 9VEEe3OvW7QbLxwuMKxKwBiOG7BMJDDb/SHanqZo1lExbDXUuAiI18tKW3E9s87t CkJukLJWvXUOA3e2DWN4IDfvFde80NPYbSVbpzLvuLYwxK+iAGshifXVXZe49Cr1 IvTKM+pwI4CeiQBVAwUQMUJ+W/thU5e7emAFAQFMIQH/VilvyRTg23royZQpuk5F YXHEued4yyApNXPthCxZIYe24nUlcgpY4QWKy++nmUV25OGJR6Y2WsC2z0XIWygZ zYkAlQMFEDFAYX1pqHkdFx/OXQEBYGgEAJDoATPIWIxriQa5tadTAu3bGvVv2zkb d0GPXTfr16m/GvLiJ5lmCYqcsKuB/TFcDx/mpKRKQ1kxwOKUwd/W5aSFN5keIlDW xv0XbGVsHfA+k0vUDQ8drEPd5TdIRvNzPqm2bZyVnGslfvYsFM5nSj2GdrkZgxR2 jxBprZhaES0giQCVAwUQMTjO/hRnBgsaWCnFAQHpNAP/ZoZhHA/JzAecCXPETJIf 9zjPKi4Ih465nxwnhXXwUtNVMFjq7SfJWGSPr/Ei+PE+TKunoGY0/FxV38uyFxXR Cu2OD3JMIv24NfnUHPnRq/0Hd/NFknGcL1YMXz2DZ63sPO/8Q8GCxXsQ+503DRS2 EUEUSL3ncsukpyPEOb1Sk1WJAJUDBRAxOM8dFIEgbOEpZk0BAR8NBADNJx2lstV7 FziO7O/Aq50mF/oqy4ccAPGzEr2bzGHsP2p7eOG+YJIGI4OrZljoKfhnTtEHiRtu Fl0m0HsvMVK1Gqbzr+j47gpCDv81WEQae5lNHy5/xWGItEPRZj3EWke8fJWh8HaL f0sSgGaYtFjj4x7E524NONHlvln21VjWbIkAlQMFEDE4zlEaFuRhG5FXbQEBPs8E AIQjJgfAdyLxYz/IQy8dCxviausupCtvKKoKdsLj9Q6WN68tjqtjFJI2QHltyjVT 5cyUTpFfegb0PnBmagvkC9fZF3o7N8Mlf0tPV77w9fbjZ7E7pcGdU4S3PNeDvTAb ChVokB6NigAzXKyaJDlPRAJszF+GOt83HYbOtZWzLEVwiQCVAwUQMTjOsCe8yKJt SqxdAQEPEwQArHWrSOHWL7m4ZK1QIEQdpwlZySJM5w53wBS1APp7/MtE39/7/nTp 4FPs5e0Vx/AYMyWHuSo2NNL+iFmGNYrQzAn3wu866gFefjIabx/g0BaklvH/5RwT IXq78R+//W41UEKu7X4SI4pwg5xNroUsCWdc3id8O4uZiwWydu/ocn6JAJUDBRAx OM4vQK1BjWmSq00BAXXeA/48YpMA9xc02wqScPo+dVPG5EP+K2wSgjoflkjhTkJ2 N+NNcSihmbKbviHZc/NIcpbw+3pKGZNllv0FemlPNUfvvm5ILKv88w9nHK4DXLEt c/BOuCJtHnNqU2edBET6mVOnqKyoTIyYLF3gRQusoxB+P9snPEgjMqGJezekI6tk DYkAlQMFEDCFUk6Nw11GzOe0nQEBqD0D/27O7hOU+DehP4vT1Sb5deYI/bFHoOks TrlGixC+lAsYMigsz3CFzE8XTNzohVQm1iaeO/43YHrr7cLOTfhep41u4Ag0iSUm zzDv0iQyAiolsypcZ49wBc8m3VsJVHpUVMG0qmf34xUxXuNUT4BxgGvXEYjEV8eQ M3350OT5u9i+iQCVAwUQMTjO0tlBWyzhG2y5AQGk/wQAxDjtawWTI8vv7sW1V2dy qbEJ/76Gfgzv/W6pP3MJVrcDesU7/qQ4aSdPAIP7Ac7RXySMMsrdiRQXFKDHW4I4 78aF1A2HjvlMcrdNR+aldaHkyc+ffv3Z0Y1v3ov+GQM9V2KHdtMXOE3e8PlEg5xF iOfwWTpihvCMXeM0P+8t+rGJAJUDBRAxOM6P5PUudM+LRA0BAciKA/0bts6s+xKW eqUMdUjnLclC+Zi50OKhS8LuS8RKLSmo5885eiSMqAaOQYjV924EPBmfsNhWsS3G 51jSxGHj8E/2b3rjsUWOW+O5Lq7DM8W4b0IuQkFINEwgfZ6T5MUc1iPQtYo8l/7W vR3lAhLFQRmnQgGr8at+ekNumeckasFeALQsUmljaCBFbmNyeXB0ZWQgRHJvcGJv eCA8bGx1cmNoQGFscGhhLmMyLm9yZz60QEZvciBndWFyYW50ZWVkIHNlY3VyaXR5 LCB1c2UgMHg2OTkyQUI0RCBmb3IgcmljaC5ncmF2ZXNAZm9yc3l0aGW0KlIuIENo YXJsZXMgR3JhdmVzIDxyY2dyYXZlc0BpeC5uZXRjb20uY29tPrQkUmljaCBHcmF2 ZXMgPGFuMjc0MDc0QGFub24ucGVuZXQuZmk+tBdKdXN0IFJpY2ggPHJpY2hAYzIu b3JnPg== =aVAl -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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RE: Slander of Catholic Church
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Cardinal Timothy May > >(Who believes all cults and religions are basically the same shuck and >jive, and who thinks the "Church of Scientology" is actually a little >bit >less foolish that the Church of Mormon, with its "baptism of dead >ancestors" into the Church, the funny underwear people have to secretly >wear, etc. However, I have great respect for the practical tactics of >the >Mormons, and no respect for the day to day behavior of the CoS.) ................................................................ With apologies to Perry, who could give a flip, my day will not be complete until Tim tells us about the funny underwear (and how he knows about it). > .. >Blanc

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Re: whitehouse queries files on political enemies
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OBCrypto: William Safire, in his 6/10/96 column on this subject, says, "Under Freeh, the anti-encryption zealot hand-picked by the man whose name was used on the phony requisitions, the Justice Department's most confidential file room has become a walk-in closet for White House pols." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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MacPGP Control (Front end for Macs)
by stevenw＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw this on the Web. I've never used it. -------------------------------------8>----------------------------- MacPGP Control (or MPGPC for short) is an AppleScript application that offers an easy-to-use, more Macintosh friendly user interface to MacPGP. MacPGP Control relies on your AppleScript-aware version of MacPGP to perform encryption and decryption. For information on how to obtain MacPGP in the USA or Canada, first refer to that site using your FTP client (Anarchie, Fetch, etc...) or a World Wide Web browser (Netscape, MacWeb, etc...). For non-USA citizens, information on how to obtain MacPGP is available at Ståle Schumacher's International PGP Home Page. The main features of MPGPC are grouped into three categories: MacPGP related features Eudora and Claris Em@iler related features Macintosh related features The current version of MacPGP Control is 1.0 fc 1. You need, among other things, the Scriptable Finder to run MPGPC. If you don't have it or cannot obtain a legal copy, I cannot help you and you will be wasting your time and money downloading this software. All other components are available. MacPGP Control is US$15 shareware. -------------------------------------8>----------------------------- For details see: http://www.deepeddy.com/pgp/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Weller | Technology (n): | | A substitute for adulthood. stevenw(a)best.com | Popular with middle-aged men.

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Re: Report from Germany on "backdoor" net-censorship
by mccoy＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ulf forwards: [...] > Proof of origin of > critical articles will be processed by the server, archived in a data > base observing privacy laws, and stored at a central facility. > Furthermore, sample news articles will be suject to detailed legal > evaluation. Should this result in suspicion or proof of transportation > of illegal contents, the ICTF can launch various steps to work against > propagation of these contents. For example, it can arrange for > blocking of complete newsgroups or retrospect "Cancel" of articles > already transmitted. ICTF can direct possible criminal investigation > with help of its data base. [...] Did anyone else hear "Deutchland Uber Alles" in the back of their mind while reading this? I wonder if the gestapo.de domain name is taken yet... > The special problem of the News service is that information can be > distributed world-wide, yet anonymously. This is different of at least > fundamentally more difficult in other parts of the Internet, so that > the volume of critical content in the News is comparably high. It is kinda sad that these German ISPs who claim that politicians and governments do not understand the nature of the net seem themselves guilty of not understand that all internet traffic is effectively anonymous, Usenet is just obviously anonymous. > The > ICTF will register the information availible on the origin of news > and store them in a data base as to make it possible to determine > who has sent an article or disguised the real author's identity, in > retrospect. "Papieren bitte..." Yellow stars, pink triangles, hmmm... seems to me that the Germans have a rather poor history regarding registration and identity services, but they are once again proving to be good at encouraging "collaborators." jim

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Denver area meeting, Saturday, 6/15, 2 pm
by awestrop＠crl.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This month we'll meet on Saturday so that a couple of folks will be able to attend Father's Day festivites. As always, we'll meet at the Tivoli; send email for directions. ps -- I haven't been announcing local meetings to the list because I unsubscribed for a few months...just thought I'd advise everyone that this meeting will be on a Saturday. Besides, info about local meetings is now available at http://www.command.com.inter.net/ thanks to some friends who are frequent attendees. Alan Westrope PGP public key: http://www.nyx.net/~awestrop <awestrop(a)nyx.net> <awestrop(a)crl.com> PGP 0xB8359639: D6 89 74 03 77 C8 2D 43 7C CA 6D 57 29 25 69 23 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbze8VRRFMq4NZY5AQEFlwP/VqxwvfBt4RH1mk+OIuZe16jXFb+NMoIt i6f1p74BL4XX9TdOobxL/Rnc+tswE8fDCtudESB9vwBGdqaBELF1uNZVQ7/1E7iq 8m7Q5vdhHTmhX/2zqQlCNIdmM1mtyJrj86nSSMJ+i1Z1pdi1kSw1TvSNM7e7eMpL 8vZSpxIZy6Y= =FDqe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Terrorism Hysteria on the Net
by Dale Drew 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:21 PM 6/10/96 -0500, snow wrote: >On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, John Young wrote: >> "You bring me a select group of hackers and within 90 days I'll bring this >> country to its knees, " says Jim Settle, retired director of the FBI's >> computer crime squad. > > Give me 15 well trained soldiers(near special forces level) and I >can do it in less than 60 days. Without touching a computer. > To understand where "They" think they are coming from, you have to compare Apples-to-Apples. The concern is the medium of choice; the Internet and it's high availability of anonymity, coupled with its access to large amounts of computer systems available via one virtual channel. A well orchestrated and well researched attack by the right folk, as the thought process goes, could in-fact, potentially affect large amounts of critical computer systems within a short period of time. And while the government has inroads available to identify potential physical terrorists threats, they do not feel as prepared for the virtual ones. =============================================================== Dale Drew MCI Telecommunications Manager internetMCI Security Engineering Voice: 703/715-7058 Internet: ddrew(a)mci.net Fax: 703/715-7066 MCIMAIL: Dale_Drew/644-3335

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Re: [SF Bay Area] Internet security course at Stanford
by bogdan＠ljextra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > >Seen on the net: > > >The Western Institute of Computer Science announces >a week-long course on > >INTERNET SECURITY > >taught at Stanford University > >July 29 -- August 2, 1996 > >Course Fee: > $1,450 (includes instruction, complete set of course notes, > break refreshments, and Tuesday night reception.) > $1,575 for registration after July 15 Any guys from this list are gonna take a class for $1500??

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AOL 3.0 and SSL
by John Pettitt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I see AOL 3.0 how has SSL - does anybody know if they ran the encrypted pipe out to the browser or stopped it at the AOL host ... since it's possible to connect to the AOL host via the net the latter would be a very silly idea ... John Pettitt, jpp(a)software.net VP Engineering, CyberSource Corporation, 415 473 3065 "Technology is a way of organizing the universe so that man doesn't have to experience it." - Max Frisch PGP Key available at: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0xB7AA37…

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Re: Terrorism Hysteria on the Net
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:21 PM 6/10/96 -0500, snow wrote: >On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, John Young wrote: > >> "You bring me a select group of hackers and within 90 days I'll bring this >> country to its knees, " says Jim Settle, retired director of the FBI's >> computer crime squad. > > Give me 15 well trained soldiers(near special forces level) and I >can do it in less than 60 days. Without touching a computer. > There was a blue print published by Omni Magazine in the mid to >late 80's written by Henry Kissinger (IIRC). > Give me 15 McVey's with the ability to follow orders and I'll have >this country in chaos in 2 weeks. > > It isn't that hard, it is just that almost everyone prefers the >current system to total death & destruction chaos that follows a strong >government collapsing. Doesn't this statement represent something of a bias in favor of today's system? Is the "total death and destruction chaos" a function of the collapse of that strong government, or the immediate tendency of it to be replaced with dictator wannabes? In other words, if a "strong government" could be brought down with a guarantee that nobody would be able to even begin to replace it, might that not be an entirely different matter? >Society holds itself together in large part not >because of the rule of law, but becaue most people want it to. Doesn't this statement contradict the previous statement you made? If there's "chaos" perhaps that's merely because a small group of people is trying to take control. Most people want peace, but it can be disturbed by a minority. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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[NOISE] whitehouse queries files on political enemies
by Deranged Mutant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 10 Jun 96 at 13:21, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: > what goes around comes around.. > this reminds me of the old stories of Nixon and the various NSA > domestic programs mentioned by Bamford ("Puzzle Palace") > > > - ------- Forwarded Message Old news, actually. It came over the wire Firday night. Can't think of anything about it relevant to crypto at the moment...

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No Subject
by Blake Wehlage 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blake "Pokey" Wehlage Age-13 Gaa- 3.69 (for ice hockey goalie) <jwilk(a)iglou.com> President of Revolution Software Quote- Does whiskey count as beer? -Homer Simpson

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Cypherpunk Enquirer
by enquirer＠alpha.c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

THE CYPHERPUNK ENQUIRER "Encyphering minds want to know." The Enquirer's Public Service Award for this month goes to ABC Evening News, which, after noting that 25% of America's children have access to bomb-making instructions via the Internet, proceeded to provide those instructions to the 75% without Internet access. ABC News President Roone Arledge defended the decision to describe the explosives made from commonly available household ingredients, stating that "In the interest of public safety, we omitted the final instruction to 'light the fuse and run like hell'." The Cypherpunk Academy of Codes and Cyphers recently announced a new nomination for the Perry Award. The nomination for this prestigious award, given to the cypherpunk who has done the most in the past year to increase the S/N ratio of the list, goes to Alex de Joode, for shutting down the famed Hacktic remailer and refusing to confirm or deny that the reason was actually the fact that the entire staff of Hacktic, Int. has recently converted to the Church of $cientology. The resulting rumors set of a wave of paranoia on the list regarding the future of the remailer network, and resulted in a few cypherpunks actually writing code for the first time in recent memory. Mr. de Joode, interviewed while peddling e-meter software for $10,000 in Amsterdam's red light district, refused all comment. Curtis Sliwa had to return the $10,000 today when it was discovered that the .gif of "a woman's genitals nailed to a board" that the CyberAngels presented to the ACLU lawyers in the CDA appeal hearing was really a photo of his wife Lisa's labial piercings. Rich Graves finally got his Doctor of Divinity degree from the Universal Life Church, and requests that from now on, list members refer to him as "DR. Fucking Statist". Sotheby's Auction House today announced that the famed "Black Window" Java applet signed by Marianne Mueller has been sold for $2,500,000. The rare applet, which can damage hard drive files even though it had been signed and certified as "completely secure", was purchased by a certain Wall Street Computer Security Consultant who wishes to remain anonymous, and who placed his winning bid via anonymizer(a)c2.org. Leon Panetta belatedly admitted today that hidden away in the small print on page 1,237 of the Administration's latest "Law Enforcement Access to Encrypted Internet Traffic" proposal, otherwise known as Clipper III, was a section on the new "Republican Members of Congress FBI File Escrow Service". Logan promises to never again try to operate his Mac mail software immediately after one of those late-night Beltway cocktail parties. Former President Jimmy Carter was vindicated today when Jim Bell announced that the strange markings on recently deceased ex-CIA Director William Colby's canoe were indeed the result of rabbit bites. Sandy Sandfort's tax avoidance consulting service collapsed today when it was discovered that tax avoiders weren't any better at chaining remailers that the average Windows95 user. Next in the Enquirer: Tim May's first interview since the Catholic Jihad's announcement of their "Death Contract" with Jim Bell.

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ANNOUNCEMENT: HACKERPUNKS MAILING LIST
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

H A C K E R P U N K S "Obscurity through Security!" Hi! We are delighted to announce a new mailing list, Hackerpunks! This list is for serious folks who know stuff about computers _AND_ want to keep their privacy. The submission address is an anonymous alias, hackerpunks(a)alpha.c2.org. It is anonymous because _I_ want to keep my privacy and do NOT want to answer stupid questions. To further _your_ privacy, we can subscribe ONLY anonymous aliases user_name(a)alpha.c2.org. Mailing list messages will be forwarded to your alpha.c2.org adresses through anonymous remailers. .p This list is UNMODERATED. Due to our organization, we are unable to find out your true identity, and you are unable to find out where our list-bot resides. So - you can now have free discussion about all exploits and great hacks! Just use remailers and be safe... .p Remember i) no one can find out where the list resides ii) nobody can find out that your alpha.c2.org account is subscribed to Hackerpunks iii) nobody can find out who hides behind alpha.c2.org accounts iv) nobody can find out that you are using alpha.c2.org aliases. .p Everything goes as long as it is about hacking. We shall decide later whether we want to keep non-computer hacking discussions in this list or make another one. MODERATE FLAMAGE ONLY! .p Since remailers are used all the way from you to the list-bot and back, the time for your messages to reach subscribers will be invariably longer. You've gotta pay for security. Hackers must be patient! .p See our .sig for instructions; get premail for Unix or Private Idaho for Windows, get an anonymous account at alpha.c2.org, and subscribe! .p All subscriptions and submissions NOT originating from alpha.c2.org will be AUTOMATICALY REJECTED. That will save you YOUR OWN BUTT if you mistakenly submit a non-anonymous message. .p See ya! Schwartau, join us if you have something real to say (unlikely)! @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ H A C K E R P U N K S M A I L I N G L I S T hackerpunks(a)alpha.c2.org Send your requests to [un]subscribe to hackerpunks-owner(a)alpha.c2.org Only nyms from @alpha.c2.org may subscribe and post to this list. See http://www.c2.org/anon.phtml, http://www.c2.net/~raph/premail @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

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[NOISE] "Fascism is corporatism"
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:44 AM 6/9/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: > All you're doing is blathering on with some > anti-intellectual lumpenlibertarian claptrap that tries to smear anything > you disagree with as tantamount to fascism. > > [...] > > Heidegger only really supported Nazism from 1933-34; in the 40's and > thereafter, he referred to Nazism as a disease. > > [...] > > any attempt to smear them as a bunch of Nazis is ludicrous > > [...] > > Your foaming-mouth projections on people who disagree with you are > laughable. During the war Heidegger wore full Nazi regalia, and compelled his students to participate in fascist rallies which he led. He consistently claimed that his philosophy led logically to fascism. See "A normal Nazi" by Thomas Sheehan, in the New York Review of Books, early 1993. Also in the same journal see a dozen of the leading lights of the academic left enthusiastically supporting a murderous Nazi and the ideas that he loudly proclaimed were fascist ideas. You revised history in favor of a couple of fascist philosophers, one of whom sent one of his former teacher to one of Hitler's concentration camps. See the following URLs for the real history. http://www.wavefront.com/~contra_m/cm/reviews/cm13_rev_heidegger.html http://www.inlink.com/~dhchase/heidig.htm You also revised history in favor of a system of ideas that has in the past been used to justify and organize the deaths of millions of people, and which has recently in America been used to justify and organize mild but widespread repression, (including the PC laws that you recently denied existed), the system of ideas that many people reasonably argue has been recently been used to justify and organize the narrowly focused severe repression, including government murder of women and children, that we have recently seen in America (which you recently denied was the intended outcome of government policy). And *you* are calling *me* an extremist. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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A guide to self control (Was funny underwear)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A Guide to Self-Control Subject: Steps in Overcoming Masterbation Excerpt from a Mormon missionary guide, circa 1970: Steps in Overcoming Masterbation, Mark E. Petersen 1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal toilet processes. 2. If you are associated with other persons having this same problem, YOU MUST BREAK OFF THEIR FRIENDSHIP. Never associate with other people having the same weakness. Don't suppose that two of you will quit together, you never will. You must get away from people of that kind. Just to be in their presence will keep your problem foremost in your mind. The problem must be taken OUT OF YOUR MIND for that is where it really exists. Your mind must be on other and more wholesome things. 3. When in bed, if that is where you have your problem for the most part, dress yourself for the night so securely that you cannot easily touch your vital parts, and so that it would be difficult and time consuming for you to remove those clothes. By the time you started to remove protective clothing you would have sufficiently controlled your thinking that the temptation would leave you. 4. If the temptation seems overpowering while you are in bed, GET OUT OF BED AND GO INTO THE KITCHEN AND FIX YOURSELF A SNACK, even if it is in the middle of the night, and even if you are not hungry, and despite your fears of gaining weight. The purpose behind this suggestion is that you GET YOUR MIND ON SOMETHING ELSE. You are the subject of your thoughts, so to speak. 5. Never read pornographic material. Never read about your problem. Keep it out of mind. Remember -- "First a thought, then an act." The thought pattern must be changed. You must not allow this problem to remain in your mind. When you accomplish that, you soon will be free of the act. 6. Pray. But when you pray, don't pray about this problem, for that will tend to keep [it] in your mind more than ever. Pray for faith, pray for understanding of the Scriptures, pray for the Missionaries, the General Authorities, your friends, your families, BUT KEEP THE PROBLEM OUT OF YOUR MIND BY NOT MENTIONING IT EVER -- NOT IN CONVERSATION WITH OTHERS, NOT IN YOUR PRAYERS. KEEP IT _OUT_ of your mind! 7. Be outgoing and friendly. Force yourself to be with others and learn to enjoy working and talking to them. Use principles of developing friendships found in books such as _How to Win Friends and Influence People_ by Dale Carnegie. 8. Make a pocket calendar for a month on a small card. Carry it with you, but show it to no one. If you have a lapse of self control, color the day black. Your goal will be to have _no black days_. The calendar becomes a strong visual reminder of self control and should be looked at when you are tempted to add another black day. Keep your calendar up until you have at least three clear months. 9. In the field of psychotherapy there is a very effective technique called _aversion therapy_. When we associate or think of something very distasteful with something which has been pleasurable, but undesirable, the distasteful thought and feeling will begin to cancel out that which was pleasurable. If you associate something very distasteful with your loss of self-control it will help you to stop the act. For example, if you are tempted to masturbate, think of having to bathe in a tub of worms, and eat several of them as you do the act. 10. Keep your bladder empty. Refrain from drinking large amounts of fluids before retiring. 11. Reduce the amount of spices and condiments in your food. Eat as lightly as possible at night. 12. Avoid people, situations, pictures or reading materials that might create sexual excitement. 13. It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases. 14. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. 15. Do not let yourself return to any past habit or attitude patterns which were part of your problem. Satan Never Gives Up. Be calmly and confidently on guard. Keep a positive mental attitude. You can win this fight! The joy and strength you will feel when you do will give your whole life a radiant and spiritual glow of satisfaction and fulfillment. --

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New type2.list/pubring.mix (revisited)
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Everyone, The corrected (downed remailers deleted) type2.list/pubring.mix combination is available on jpunix.com. This list now contains only remailers that have responded to pings sent out by myself and by Raph. I'll automate this shortly to insure that the remailers on the list actually respond to traffic. Apologies to ecafe for saying it was down. It was poor eysight on my part. John Perry - perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCUAwUBMb1PQ1OTpEThrthvAQHn7gP4rHjupKUM4hWPsbFIxdXWk09KdEZLbpK3 uumHpAlApXfu7n9umOG1evxp9SRy9yUg3PvtV5pHtMGcebv8ngpQEzDekC55RCBz Rghon7Rqknte+9eRbpbqhq1e/LAzebxwJv+vRSOkYEOmiq6KWdhQ0LZyGjV1VfHA D/eWCOf2ig== =w/xe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[Fwd: public key expert witness wanted]
by Gary Howland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From sci.crypt: Subject: public key expert witness wanted From: schlafly(a)bbs.cruzio.com Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 05:37:34 GMT Keywords: public key expert witness wanted Newsgroups: sci.crypt,misc.int-property,talk.politics.crypto Organization: Cruzio Community Networking System, Santa Cruz, CA Reply-To: schlafly(a)bbs.cruzio.com Sender: news(a)cruzio.com (The News User) Xref: beta.nedernet.nl sci.crypt:44606 misc.int-property:17035 talk.politics.crypto:17141 My lawsuit against Public Key Partners has a trial on the scope and validity of the Stanford patents scheduled to begin in San Jose, Calif, on Sept. 3, 1996. I am looking for an expert witness. Requirements: * credentials which will impress the court. * live within driving distance of San Jose. * thorough understanding of Diffie-Hellman exponential key exchange, Hellman-Merkle trapdoor knapsack, and related public key crypto. * willing to face hostile lawyers in depositions, and testify in court. * must enjoy this sort of thing enough to do it for free. I am not looking for a mercenary hatchet man. (Contact RSADSI or Cylink if that's what you are.) Just someone to explain the inventions, and give opinions as to what can reasonably be deduced from particular disclosures. For more info on the lawsuit, and on contacting me, see http://bbs.cruzio.com/~schlafly#pkpsuit Roger Schlafly

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Re: Anonymous return addresses
by Hal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "Robert A. Rosenberg" <hal9001(a)panix.com> > If the message is split into more than one part (to meet the message size > requirement) there is some potential leakage to each server of what message > is being requested. If User a requested 3 messages, then they MAY be > requesting all three parts of a 3 part message (or 2+1). If a record is > kept of the number of requests over time, then there can be some regression > checking based on the ID (ie: If the number of new messages for ANx in the > DB matches the number that User Y requests in the current session). I may > be in error with this thought but it looks like a possible problem. Yes, this is a good point. It might be addressed by having the later parts of a multi part message not be identified with the anon ID of the receiver, but rather with a random message label which is revealed to the receiver in the first part of the message (encrypted, of course). Then the database owner could not tell which message parts went together just by looking at the messages. Arrival times might give this away, though, if all parts of a multi-part message were sent at about the same time. > >Messages would have a finite lifetime and would expire and be removed > >from the database after a while. The authors propose breaking the > >database up into batches with a fixed number of messages, but I don't > >fully follow the reasoning behind this. I guess it reduces the load on > >the server when it does its XOR's. > > This can also affect the "attack" I speculated on above since it can "leak" > more info. Multi-part messages (or multiple messages to the same recipient) > which are retrieved in one session can be correlated between the groups > (ie: User Y asked for 5 messages [Selected from Groups 1&5] and ANx is the > one AN? that has the requested number of messages in each of the Groups > [ie: 3 from G1 and 2 from G5]). Yes, there is a tradeoff with the batch size between efficiency and privacy. The multi-part message issue does seem to make the problem potentially worse. Maybe it would be necessary for anonymous receivers to mostly receive small messages, and/or make the message granularity relatively large. Some of these kinds of volume- or correlation-based traffic analysis techniques can be countered by requesting dummy messages, ones which the receiver won't be able to read. If he asks for five messages every day from that day's batch then it doesn't leak any information about which ones are for him. Asking for a random number averaging five may work even better, if occasionally he really needs to read six. Hal

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Re: Terrorism Hysteria on the Net
by Dale Drew 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think we are in violent agreement.... The item of issue, between physical and virtual terrorism attacks is the fact the government either is, or wants to give the distinct perception that they are, ill-prepared to counter for the types of potentials wide-spread Internet-based virtual attacks. And that the intelligence channels they have in place to detect possible movement of physical attacks may not fit the "Internet" model. In addition, the US legal system is ill-prepared to deal with the prosecutory issues surrounding this type of "terrorism". =============================================================== Dale Drew MCI Telecommunications Manager internetMCI Security Engineering Voice: 703/715-7058 Internet: ddrew(a)mci.net Fax: 703/715-7066 MCIMAIL: Dale_Drew/644-3335 At 11:02 PM 6/10/96 -0500, snow wrote: >On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Dale Drew wrote: >> At 07:21 PM 6/10/96 -0500, snow wrote: >> >On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, John Young wrote: >> >> "You bring me a select group of hackers and within 90 days I'll bring this >> >> country to its knees, " says Jim Settle, retired director of the FBI's >> >> computer crime squad. >> > Give me 15 well trained soldiers(near special forces level) and I >> >can do it in less than 60 days. Without touching a computer. >> To understand where "They" think they are coming from, you have to compare >> Apples-to-Apples. The concern is the medium of choice; the Internet and it's >> high availability of anonymity, coupled with its access to large amounts of >> computer systems available via one virtual channel. > > Preaching to the choir, but once again it is a case of nothing >new. The potential for economic terrorism is not significantly larger >given the existance of the internet than it was before. This is what needs >to constantly be drummed into the technically dis-inclined, that the same >problems exists off the net that exist ON the net. > >> A well orchestrated and well researched attack by the right folk, as the thought >> process goes, could in-fact, potentially affect large amounts of critical >> computer systems within a short period of time. And while the government >> has inroads available to identify potential physical terrorists threats, >> they do not feel as prepared for the virtual ones. > > I would think that shutting down power to New York City for more >than a couple of days would pretty much throw the economy into a fit. > > I would go so far as to say that you can cause MORE havoc in the >physical arena than the virtual. > > >Petro, Christopher C. >petro(a)suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff> >snow(a)crash.suba.com > > >

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Re: Terrorism Hysteria on the Net
by vin＠shore.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ex-Special-Agent Settle deserves all the derision he has gotten (probably not in the right places) for his LSD-in-the-water-supply threat: >> >> "You bring me a select group of hackers and within 90 days I'll bring >> >> this country to its knees, " says Jim Settle, retired director of the >> >> FeeBee's computer crime squad. snow's jibe about doing the same with a handful of spooky special forces guys (less than 15, if he used snipers) was appropriate. I think, however, Dale Drew went too far when he denied that the demension of the Net added nothing new to the range of social or economic threat. Don't we, as a technical culture, have to acknowledge the burgening nihilism that is exemplified in both the subculture of virus (and other randomly distructive pieces of attack code,) and the larger culture that so often lauds their "creativity" and "ingenuity." Not even lumpen-Libertarianism allows the author of such pain and distruction to escape moral responsibility -- yet the popular tech culture (and the pop culture) does just that! The culture can deal with purposeful terrorism, even purposeful Net terrorism, but a whole subculture of sociopaths who -- like arsonists on a binge, or (to exaggerate slightly) the nerve gas cult in Japan -- toss out distructive code bombs to see who or what gets blown away, is indeed something new. How many wild viruses are now loose? What new corners of the networked infrastructure will be the next forum for these arsonists? Java applets? NT? The nodes of the Net itself? Is this too to be left to police suppression? Are Net Cops inevitable? Are there other forces that could be brought to bear? (Forces that could perhaps be influenced by the tone or substance of comments that originate here or in similar forums?) And isn't this threat unique to a culture which has become so dependant on the structured flow of information products and tools? The sky isn't falling; there are no bodies in the street -- so we have time... but the sense of threat could become so serious that the public would seek shelter, solice, stability. The spooks' wet-dream, the wiretapped Garrison Nation (two-way TV always on; no one allowed to whisper away from a microphone) is one answer. Of a sort. Suerte, _Vin Vin McLellan +The Privacy Guild+ <vin(a)shore.net> 53 Nichols St., Chelsea, Ma. 02150 USA Tel: (617) 884-5548 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>

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[Noise] William Safire on the GAK bastards' other privacy violations.
by eric＠clever.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

WILLIAM SAFIRE: Shame on the FBI WASHINGTON (Jun 10, 1996 12:00 p.m. EDT) -- Overlooked in the scandal of Travelgate has been the failure of FBI Director Louis Freeh to protect the confidential files of citizens from political snoops. Say what you like about J. Edgar Hoover -- he never let the bureau become a doormat for White House aides. The background: when President Clinton claimed "executive privilege" to keep 3,000 embarrassing documents from investigators, Congress threatened White House Counsel Jack Quinn with criminal contempt. To avoid jail, he forked over a thousand of the least damning documents. One of them illuminates why Clinton has been stonewalling for years on the rest of the subpoenaed files. It is a requisition to the "FBI Liaison," ostensibly from then-White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum, for the confidential files on Billy Ray Dale, the travel office employee who had been fired seven months earlier to make room for a Clinton cousin. The FBI disgorged 22 letters and reports on Ray alone; he was then besmeared by White House officials in the press, unjustly prosecuted and financially ruined, before being acquitted by a jury in two hours. The requisition for the confidential FBI files was unsigned. The name typed on it was Bernard Nussbaum, but Nussbaum now says he had "absolutely no knowledge" of such a request, and would presumably swear to that. The reason given on the fraudulent requisition was "access" -- as if Ray were trying to get back into the White House, which was untrue. That was the tip of the iceberg. Despite "executive privilege," Congressman William Clinger learned that as many as 341 such fraudulent, unsigned requests for confidential files and name checks were sent under the Nussbaum typed name to FBI headquarters. Apparently the snoop was a Clinton political appointee who preferred anonymity. The cover story peddled by Clinton aides is that this was a "routine" updating of White House files by a stupid clerk that just happened to focus on holdover Republicans, as well as other Republican political suspects -- including a former secretary of state whose aides once improperly snooped into Clinton passport files. Clinton's lawyers claim that the fraudulently obtained FBI dossiers were put in a White House vault and nobody looked at them. What's being done in response to the most egregious invasion of privacy of U.S. citizens in a generation? Not much. President Clinton says he's sorry, but continues to stonewall on 2,000 documents; the independent counsel adds this mess to his Travelgate list; and the FBI announces a "thorough" investigation by its in-house counsel, who will rebuke some low-level agent and absolve the boss. Not good enough. After FBI agents were jerked around to provide political cover for Clinton patronage moves in 1993, Attorney General Reno and Freeh promised strict scrutiny of White House requests. They failed abysmally to keep citizens' confidential files safe from politicians' eyes. Think of it: Unverified slanders and gossipy tidbits in your FBI file have been vulnerable to an unsigned form letter from a political partisan hiding behind another person's name. Under Freeh, the anti-encryption zealot hand-picked by the man whose name was used on the phony requisitions, the Justice Department's most confidential file room has become a walk-in closet for White House pols. Nobody at Freeh's unbuttoned FBI bothered to ask: What individual wants this and for what lawful purpose? Can any anonymous bureaucrat requisition, rifle through and remove confidential records? How come not one agent was required by bureau policy to ask why not even initials appeared on hundreds of requests to check up on Republicans? What a scandalously sloppy way to run a police agency. To entrust the investigation of this unprecedented hemorrhage of FBI confidentiality to the same easily manipulated Justice Department invites a whitewash. Summer civil libertarians shade their eyes when personal privacy is invaded by political allies, but this top-level failure to resist an abuse of power dismays FBI agents in the field. When Clintonites send over for the file on me, Director Freeh, don't buy their baloney about "seeks access" -- I won't be going to the White House picnic this summer.

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Re: lambda 2.08 (1/2) - Surveillance du contenu : l'oeil biais_
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 10 Jun 96 at 19:08, Jerome Thorel wrote: > DANS LE NUMERO --> 2.08 <-- du bulletin lambda > http://www.freenix.fr/netizen/ <snip> > - Les agents, lors des PV, ne signent plus par leur nom, mais par > des numeros d'immatriculation, a remarque la revue Chroniques Bonjour Jerome! Que signifie PV? Traduction libre par: / non-official translation by: jf_avon(a)citenet.net ... The agents, during PVs(?), are not signing with their own names anymore but with an ID number, pointed out "Chroniques" magazine... La version anglaise de ce texte a-t-elle ete envoye a cypherpunks(a)toad.com? Si non, pourriez-vous l'y envoyer. Aussi, en faire parvenir une copie anglaise a jimbell(a)pacifier.com, ca sera du plus grand interet pour lui. Salutations JFA DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee; Limoges porcelain, silverware and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants: physicists, technologists and engineers. PGP keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891

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USS_hit
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

6-11-96. FiTi: "US squares up to cyberterrorists." Until recently, the concept of "information warfare" has been widely dismissed as alarmist rhetoric and viewed as "post Cold War hysteria" generated by those with an interest in maintaining the vast US intelligence apparatus. But the potential use of computer networks to undermine public confidence, disrupt essential services, play havoc with the economy or damage military capabilities is now being taken seriously in Washington. Encryption may be just one of many battlegrounds -- others include: proposals for mandatory reporting of corporate computer intrusions and for exceptions to US laws that prohibit intelligence agencies from snooping on domestic communications; the forthcoming ruling by US courts on free speech on the Internet, in response to laws aimed at stopping distribution of pornographic material; and possible limits on information that marketers may gather and use about children who surf the Internet. Also the Clinton administration is planning a rapid-response team to take charge in the event of a cyberterrorist attack. USS_hit

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Re: USS_hit
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:58 PM 6/11/96 GMT, John Young wrote: > 6-11-96. FiTi: > > "US squares up to cyberterrorists." > > Until recently, the concept of "information warfare" has > been widely dismissed as alarmist rhetoric and viewed as > "post Cold War hysteria" generated by those with an > interest in maintaining the vast US intelligence > apparatus. But the potential use of computer networks to > undermine public confidence, The government is doing an excellent job `"undermining public confidence" all by itself! >disrupt essential services, "essential" in whose opinion? > play havoc with the economy Like maybe massive deficit spending, high taxes, etc for decades? >or damage military > capabilities is now being taken seriously in Washington. How about "damage military NEEDS"? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Kahn's "The CodeBreakers"
by Brad Shantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Good call, Tim. That is correct. I had forgotten. > Ah, but it does have some significance. "Liberty" is published out of Port > Townsend. (More precisely, it was the last time I looked.) > And it's near Hump Tulips, Sequim, and Chimicum (sp?). Ma and Pa Kettle country. Sequim is further west along the Olympic Peninsula, and Chimacum is just south of Port Townsend towards Port Hadlock and the Hood Canal bridge. Once again, good call, Tim.

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Re: A guide to self control (Was funny underwear)
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** Reply to note from nobody(a)REPLAY.COM 06/11/96 09:58am +0200 = To: Cypherpunks(a)toad.com = From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) = = A Guide to Self-Control = = Subject: Steps in Overcoming Masterbation = = Excerpt from a Mormon missionary guide, circa 1970: Steps in = Overcoming Masterbation, Mark E. Petersen = = 1. Never touch the intimate parts of your body except during normal = toilet processes. = you forgot to add the dictum on how long you are allowed to wash it in the shower... -- "Privacy Through Cryptography." "Communicate Globally, Censor Locally." I think an old Doonesbury cartoon that had Duke (representing the NRA) testifying before a Senate subcommittee summed it up quite nicely..... Senator: "And we and the American people have had enough of you and your fanatic organization!" Duke: "I see Senator, shall I put you down for a million postcards?" Senator: "Don't you threaten me mister!" Politicians only understand one thing.

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Re: Terrorism Hysteria on the net
by talon57＠well.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow wrote: >>Give me 15 well trained soldiers(near special forces level) and >>I can do it in less than 60 days. Without touching a computer. Gary Howland <gary(a)systemics.com> adds: >Give me 10 well trained biological warfare scientists and I'll do >it in 30 ... >Anymore bids? :-) Yeah, Give me one really sick monkey ..... Brian

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HomePage
by WICKERT＠vortex.ufrgs.br 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Have Toad Hall a HomePage? I tried http://www.toad.com but I got no response! Best Regards, Ricardo Wickert

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RE: ANNOUNCEMENT: HACKERPUNKS MAILING LIST
by Blake Coverett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> H A C K E R P U N K S > "Obscurity through Security!" > > > Hi! We are delighted to announce a new mailing list, Hackerpunks! This list > is for serious folks who know stuff about computers _AND_ want to keep > their privacy. Oooo. Folks who know 'stuff' about computers. The free world is in danger now. > This list is UNMODERATED. Due to our organization, we are unable to > find out your true identity, and you are unable to find out where > our list-bot resides. So - you can now have free discussion about all > exploits and great hacks! Just use remailers and be safe... Smells like 'elite'punks to me -Blake (in a cranky mood)

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Britain to control crypto - official (fwd from Usenet)
by David Lesher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The British government quietly announced yesterday that it will legislate to restrict crypto. The details are in the attached Reuters and PA newswires. Fuller details will no doubt be available at a one day workshop that the Ministry of Defence is organising at the IEE in Savoy Place on the 27th June. The speakers will include directors of both CESG (GCHQ's front operation) and DRA, as well as a policeman and the data protection registrar. The IEE's phone number is 0171 240 1871. Ross RTf 06/10 1355 UK to license information encryption services LONDON, June 10 (Reuter) - The British government unveiled proposals on Monday aimed at meeting the demand for encryption services to safeguard the confidentiality of electronic information transmitted on public telecommunications networks. Technology minister Ian Taylor published a paper proposing a licensing system for so-called "Trusted Third parties," or TTPs, to provide encryption services. "The TTPs would offer digital signature, data integrity and retrieval, key management and other services for which there is a commercial demand," Taylor said in a written parliamentary answer. Taylor said encryption services would facilitate the development of electronic commerce, thus helping to maintain Britain's competitiveness. The licensing policy would aim to protect consumers as well as to preserve the ability of intelligence and law enforcement agencies to fight serious crime and terrorism, Taylor said. This would be done by establishing procedures for disclosure to them of the encryption keys, under safeguards similar to those which already exist under the Interception of Communications Act, he added. Taylor said officials in his department had already held preliminary discussions with industry groups on the concepts set out in Monday's paper. Following consultation by the Department of Trade and Industry on detailed proposals, the government intends to bring forward legislation, Taylor added. PA 06/10 1808 MOVE TO STRENGTHEN INFORMATION SECURITY By Parliamentary Staff, PA News The Government tonight announced plans to strenthen the security of information sent electronically over public telecommunications networks. Technology Minister Ian Taylor, in a Commons written reply, disclosed proposals to licence trusted third parties to provide encryption services -- the process of transforming text into an unintelligible form that can only subsequently be recovered by someone possessing the corresponding decryption key. These services cover the digital signature, an electronic equivalent of a hand-written signature, of electronic documents and the protection of the accuracy and privacy of contents. Mr Taylor said: "There is a growing demand for encryption services to safeguard the integrity and confidentiality of electronic information transmitted on public telecommunications networks. "The Government therefore proposes to make arrangements for licensing trusted third parties who would provide such services." These would include digital signature, data integrity and retrieval and key management services. "The licensing policy will aim to protect consumers as well as to preserve the ability of the intelligence and law enforcement agencies to fight serious crime and terrorism by establishing procedures for disclosure to them of the encryption keys, under safeguards similar to those which already exist for warranted interception under the Interception of Communications Act." Mr Taylor, who disclosed publication of a paper, said it was intended to bring forward proposals for legislation after consultation on detailed policy proposals. The Trade and Industry Department said increased use of IT systems by British business and commerce was a major factor in their improved competitive position, but had brought increased security risks -- especially concerning integrity and confidentiality of information passed electronically between trading bodies. Prime candidates to be trusted third parties could include banks, network operators and trade associations. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close...........(v)301 56 LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead........vr vr vr vr.................20915-1433

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Re: Slander of Catholic Church
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: Moroni <moroni(a)scranton.com> Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> Paul Penrod <furballs(a)netcom.com> On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Paul Penrod <furballs(a)netcom.com> wrote: = On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Timothy C. May <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote: <snip>... => => --Cardinal Timothy May => => (Who believes all cults and religions are basically the same shuck and => jive, and who thinks the "Church of Scientology" is actually a little bit => less foolish that the Church of Mormon, with its "baptism of dead = ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = It's The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. = = If your going to criticize it, at least get the name right. = = > ancestors" into the Church, the concept is easy once you consider the sanctity of eternal "life" and the relation of the spirit. the principle is in the gospels of the disciples in numerous places. = the funny underwear people have to secretly = ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = Do you wear yours on the outside like Madonna? = = > wear, etc. However, I have great respect for the practical tactics of = > the Mormons, and no respect for the day to day behavior of the CoS.) = > = > actually, I am curious as to when Tim wore his set of "funny underwear" sounds like a good topic for the Cypherpunk Enquirer! = = Frankly, I think this discussion needs to be put back into = alt.flame.the.religion.of.your.choice. It's bad enough to watch a = discussion on anonymous transactions devolve into useless drivel on whale = ownership and the questionable philisophical ruminations of a Piled = Higher and Deeper, without flinging this prarrie muffin on the pile too. = = ....Paul ** Reply to note from Moroni <moroni(a)scranton.com> 06/11/96 = Tim , = You should stick to your own religion and not criticize other = peoples. It is unforunate that the esteem that I once felt for you is = dwindling because of your anti-Mormon trash. Perhaps you do not realise = that some people take more than an academic interest in their religion = ;this is unforunate . It is pitiful. You are becoming the ugly = American that foreigners hate; always having an opinion about everything. = moroni too strong, moroni --remember _our_ values; not those of a critic. last night in FHE I covered the first mob in Jackson County where Bushop Partridge turned the other cheek to make it easier after the first was tarred by the mob. -- The result of today's 'government' is new world disorder, unfolding at warp velocity.

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Comments on MicroPayments and the Web
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I do not see micropayment schemes gaining any acceptance in the long run. Here is why... 1) I expect a few scam artists out there to pull something like with what has been done with 976 numbers. Put up something that looks like a "hot page" and then charge you lots of cash when you hit the site. (Instead of a fraction of a cent, a quarter or twenty bucks?) If they are a heavy web surfer, the ream of paper needed to find the offending page would be pretty obnoxious. Most would just pay the bill. (Leading to even more scams of this type.) 2) If a dialog comes up for each site that wants to ding you for a bit of money, these sites are going to resemble the pay toilets of the net. People will go there if they have to, but avoid them (or crawl under with an old browser) if they can. All in all, it just sounds like another scam dreamed up by someone in marketing to Make Money Fast off the Internet. --- |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.teleport.com/~alano/ | alano(a)teleport.com |

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Re: plugging in
by Alex Strasheim 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Indeed -- the notion is that one could do things like put support for > encrypted/signed pages or other cryptographic tools (I haven't checked > if Netscape mail handles plugins, too) directly into Netscape where > ordinary users could smoothly use them. Doing tech support at my ISP has made me very skeptical of anything that requires a plug in. Most people aren't willing or able to download and install them. Obviously that's not a problem for large organizations who want to run something internally -- they can make people install them and provide support to make sure it happens. But if you want to publish to the mainstream of people who use the net, using a plug in is a very bad idea. (I don't know anyone that doesn't design web pages for a living who's installed the shockwave plugin, for example. I'm sure that people do, just not the people I know. Only a marketing hack would download a couple of megabyte plug in to look at a soda company's web page.) SSL has a lot of problems (Verisign's pound of flesh, signatures on sites rather than documents, etc.), and those problems make a PGP based system attractive. But SSL's ubiquity (is that a word?) and the inherent kludginess of a PGP based plug-in make me think that the latter wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of catching on.

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Venture capital financing/partnering for unique website ideas/entrepreneurs
by Ventureweb＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re: Venture Capital Funding/Venture Partnering For Web Site Developers/Entrepreneurs Hello; My firm, DataMerge, Inc. is currently developing a program to provide financial backing and strategic assistance for commercially viable website development. It is my job to locate individuals with ideas and/or plans for creating high profile, niche market websites that, with our assistance, can be profitably brought to maket. We are very interested in unique, highly innovative, information based sites which are targeted to meet the needs of a specific market, industry or user group. While we are interested in creative services offered through the internet to a targeted group, we are not interested in backing companies for expanding into run-of-the-mill areas such as ISP, contract web-site design, or outsourced graphic design. We prefer to work with individuals or small teams (no more than three). Don't be discouraged if you don't have a lot of business experience. What we look for more than anything else is creativity and "entrepreneurial spirit." We find some of the best ideas come from college, and even high school students. What we can provide the entrepreneur includes the following: * Strategic, marketing and business planning assistance * Financial support during development * Marketing/promotional assistance (capital, coordination and partnering) * Long term royalty stream from site * Further site development and maintenance contracts DataMerge is currently the largest provider of niche market financing information and financing software applications to US businesses, intermediaries and finance professionals. DataMerge has a user base of 21,000 individuals, and a newsletter subscriber base of 73,000. DataMerge has been featured in publications including Inc., Financial Times, Entrepreneur, Success, Denver Post, and LA Times to name a few. If you wish to be considered for this program, please email me (Spencer Kluesner, CEO, DataMerge, Inc.) at VentureWeb(a)aol.com. Please provide a brief (one page or less) description of the website you propose to develop. Snail mail: DataMerge, Inc. Website Development Dept 1720 S. Bellaire Suite 310 Denver, CO 80222

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Oblivious key escrow
by Matt Blaze 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've revised and expanded the paper on decentralized key escrow that I presented at the Cambridge Information Hiding workshop and mentioned here a few weeks ago. The paper is now called "Oblivious Key Escrow", and is available from: ftp://research.att.com/dist/mab/netescrow.ps (postscript) ftp://research.att.com/dist/mab/netescrow.tex (latex source) -matt \begin{abstract} We propose a simple scheme, based on secret-sharing over large-scale networks, for assuring recoverability of sensitive archived data ({\em e.g.,} cryptographic keys). In our model anyone can request a copy of the archived data but it is very difficult to keep the existence of a request secret or to subvert the access policy of the data ``owner.'' We sketch an architecture for a distributed key escrow system that might be suitable for deployment over very large-scale networks such as the Internet. We also introduce a new cryptographic primitive, {\em oblivious multicast,} that can serve as the basis for such a system. \end{abstract}

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Re: Britain to control crypto - official (fwd from Usenet)
by John Pettitt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:07 PM 6/11/96 -0400, David Lesher wrote: >The British government quietly announced yesterday that it will >legislate to restrict crypto. The details are in the attached >Reuters and PA newswires. So I didn't see any move top 'restrict crypto' in the two wire stories. It looked like the return of clipper with escrow agents other than government which seems *almost* reasonable when I note that they are not mandating any of this stuff. Still given the close relationship between Cheltenham and Ft Mead one is left wondering what the real story is ... John Pettitt, jpp(a)software.net EVP, CyberSource Corporation, 415 473 3065 PGP Key available at: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0xB7AA37…

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Re: plugging in
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:05 PM 6/11/96 -0500, Alex Strasheim wrote: >Doing tech support at my ISP has made me very skeptical of anything that >requires a plug in. Most people aren't willing or able to download and >install them. I have installed, RealAudio as have many other people. Likewise Streamworks. I agree with your general point about general plugins but plugins for specific purposes will be deployed (at least until Netscape includes the capabilities). DCF

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: HACKERPUNKS MAILING LIST
by David Rosoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10.12 AM 6/11/96 -0400, SINCLAIR DOUGLAS N wrote: >I don't have a C2 account, and don't really want to pay for one. >I trust someone will put the hackerpunks archives on the web so >the rest of us can read them. C2 nym accounts are free. =============================================================================== David Rosoff (nihongo o chiisaku dekimasu) -------------> drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu For PGP key 0xD37692F9, finger drosoff(a)acoma.arc.unm.edu or get from keyservers pub 1024/D37692F9 1995/07/01 David Rosoff <drosoff(a)arc.unm.edu> Key fingerprint = 25 7D AA 01 85 41 43 89 50 5A 33 76 F1 F1 99 67 I accept anonymous mail. If I didn't sign it, you don't know I wrote it. === "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will / To strive, to seek, to find-- and not to yield." <---- "Ulysses", by Alfred, Lord Tennyson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMb4A5xguzHDTdpL5AQGxLQP/YXH9uWmXC2xK/Pr/c4kdyopE213bsQpL +T3RD2qSK+qO234fHL3nJmQVBTS5Eyyw4YtMEmnV87vclpWbP9WIr+7RDvYpr/aM 1/6QBEux3f/K6SaPD5iBHfuoc8XkriqhfXgiiUnVK4IxbhHaLatPpSeKLQmX0o2Q 3fVXFjWuEGs= =sSf7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Information Age Intelligence
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Foreign Policy, Summer 1996: "Information Age Intelligence." by Bruce D. Berkowitz, a former CIA analyst and staff member for the Senate Intelllgence Committee. Excerpts of 14-page essay: During most of this century, the intelligence community led the world in developing information technology. Intelligence organizations were deeply involved in the development of telegraph and telephone networks, modern computers, and space-based communications and surveillance systems. The intelligence community also established new forms of analysis and areas of expertise. Yet several signs suggest that the intelligence community is no longer the leader in the information world, and it may have fallen behind significantly in some respects. The underlying problem is that the intelligence community has failed to keep up with changes in how modern society uses information and how information technology develops in modern society. As a result, our model for intelligence is out-of-date. This reality is what current efforts at intelligence reform are failing to recognize. The intelligence community needs to move as fast as information businesses do to capture markets, but the traditional organization is not up to the task. Today's model for intelligence -- how it is organized and how it operates -- is an artifact from an earlier age. Even the name "Central Intelligence Agency" is reminiscent of the New Deal era, when large, powerful, national bureaucracies were the accepted way of getting things done efficiently. It makes less sense in a world moving toward fluid, distributed, networked information organizations. As the capabilities of the private sector improve, the intelligence community will need to move on to the next frontier of technology or expertise that the private sector has yet to fill. While one challenge for intelligence reform is to keep up with these changes, fundamentally the greater challenge will be to establish an organization that can adapt with the times. One reason why the intelligence community cannot deal effectively with the Information Revolution is that intelligence requirements and the intelligence community's comparative advantage are both fluid, but the traditional intelligence bureaucracy remains static. In addition, organizations responsible for developing and applying technology, such as the National Reconnaissance Office (NRC)) and the National Security Agency (NSA), have created organizational dogma, and dogma always resist change. Once such organizations carve out a place for themselves (and their technologies) in the budget, they can be difficult to dislodge. The fact that these organizations often operate at a classified level further insulates them. As a result, the intelligence community often locks into specific technologies, even when new and possibly better ideas have come along. http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~jya/fpintel.htm ----- Our Web site was hosed clean today, so this article may not survive. If not there, send us e-mail with the subject: FPI_ntl

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Re: Micropayments: myth?
by foodie＠localhost.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brian describes a UI metaphor for micropayments, with a gauge indicating the value of your micropayment purse and a cutoff for the maximum automatic per-unit payment: >Now, let's consider bridging this metaphor into the micropayments world. >Imagine that surfing the web is like driving a car - you'll dribble out >small amounts of money over a period of time, but as long as you watch >your speedometer (the rate at which you spend money) and the feul tank >levels (the amount of coinage in your wallet), you are in control of your >spending rates. Whether you approve every micropayment explicitly, or >you set a minimum level below which requests for payments are automagically >granted, is up to you. Me, I'd probably be alright with just about any >site I go to asking for less than $.02 for any action I take. Anything >above that, I want to be explicitly asked. My user interface has a gas >gauge and a speedometer in the upper-right-hand corner instead of a >throbbing "N". When my levels are low, I go visit my bank and "refill" >my wallet. Voila! That's fine so long as the majority of sites one visits all cost within, say, an order of magnitude or so. What happens if people skip around a lot? When I go from checking out Hagbard's Poetry Corner, which charges $.02 cents per page (and falls below the speedometer cutoff), and switch over to Belbo's Future's Tips Market, which charges a dollar a page, I'm going to get annoying alerts every click. If one allows customizing the cutoff for each page, the guage becomes meaningless (as much as if your car occasionally sucked half the gas tank at one stoplight). If you don't, it is annoying. Sure, $1.00 a page, perhaps, pushes the micropayment scale, but I'm sure there are plenty of folks who would set the cutoff in that range or higher. Perhaps a graphical relation-o-meter, comparing some user defined scale to the cost of the current page, so that users could get a relative feel for high rent districts (Web-rent control, anyone?), but I can see pitfalls to this appoach, too. I don't think this works unless the micropayments world standardizes on a very narrow price band, which isn't very likely, or people are found to stick pretty consistently to a given price when browsing, which I don't think is very likely either. >And yes, I am presuming a system involving transfers of digitally signed >tokens of some sort. I don't think this is a mistaken presumption. It strikes me as perhaps more useful for account-driven billing systems, where one has a contanst quanta of payment magnitude. -j -- The signal is the noise. ____________________________________________________________________ Jamie Lawrence mailto:jal@cyborganic.net mailto:foodie@netcom.com

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Re:Micropayments are Crap
by mccoy＠communities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Stephan Vladimir Bugaj <stephan(a)studioarchetype.com> writes: > > Micropayment proponents are incredibly fond of the proposition that software > could be leased on a usage time basis from a centralized server, and people > could also rent time on the servers' CPUs. Sounds an awful lot like the > mainframe days to me. Well, at the risk of being branded a heretic, maybe the mainframe days were not as bad as you assume... Back in "the mainframe days" computers cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the best way to most efficiently use that resource was to tiemsharing. Currently I would guess that 2/3 of the possible CPU cycles in the world go unused, wasted by machines that are turned off sitting in someones den or running a screensaver in the cubicle of some drone in the marketting department. With micropayments one can purchase access to these cycles and put them to use, allowing the user to recover costs when they are not using their system and giving the user cheap access when needed to computing resources way beyond what they would be capable of purchasing themselves. > I see plenty of ways in which this benefits the vendor (greater control > over distribution, centrailzed revision/upgrade distribution, greater > profits over one-time sales, etc.), but no ways in which this benefits > the user. Especially the power user. Some advantages to the user: -Faster and more frequent upgrades and bug fixes. No need to wait for the CD or floppies to be shipped. -Better responsiveness from the vendor/distributor. Currently once you buy a program you are stuck with it, warts and all. A "test drive" is not an option, so vendors are led by their marketting droids. With online "rental" the user has the ability to try a program before plunking down their $69.95 and possibly ending up with an unusable collection of annoying bugs. This also means that they have the option of selecting a different program without risking paying the entire cost of a program they do not really want but which had good advertising. Software vendors will be forced to actually pay attention to the users _after_ the initial sale and will also be motivated to create and provide more customized niche programs so you end up with a better selection of software as well. -Access to programs which the user could not normally afford or would not use enough to justify the purchase price. I am not a chip designer and am not interested enough to drop $20K on a VHDL simulator and design synthesis program, but I would be willing to pay several dollars an hour to play around with one. > I'm certainly not going to rent time > on a compiler or image editing program every single time I want to do some > work. Then buy the program yourself, and then wait overnight for that ray tracing and rendering program to complete two frames of that animated logo for your kewl web page. No one is saying that everything wll go to micropayments, in some cases for software which is used constantly it does make more sense to buy the program outright but in most cases you end up using the other programs which clutter your hard disk a lot less than you think. By renting your non-essential programs you save money. > It took the industry long enough to get PCs and workstations to the speeds > they're at today so people could do their own work on their own machines to > go back to waiting in a queue for time on a centralized system so you can > have the honor of paying someone a lot of money to run your job. How did you make the leap from micropayments (remember that "micro" prefix) to paying someone a lot of money to run your job. With micropayments you can pay a lot of people a very small amount of money to run your job and get it done orders of magnitude faster than someone stuck with a lone PC. You also avoid getting caught up in the hardware game. Just a few years ago everyone was told they needed to upgrade their 386SX to a 486 or 486DX2 or they would be left behind, now everyone simple must have a Pentium, and tomorrow it will be the next chip du jour. By only requiring the hardware necessary for user interaction on the desktop one can get better economies of scale (hence the so-called "Network Computer") If you could get by with having a 486 on your desk running the presentation and interface level and then rented cycles on a huge cluster of pentium cycle servers to get real work done you would probably end up saving money in the long run, and would not need to run out to Fry's every year/month/week to upgrade your hardware with new pieces which would soon be obsolete. jim

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CDT Policy Post 2.24 - Join Sen. Burns TONIGHT (6/11), 10 EDT
by editor＠cdt.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----------------------------------------------------------------------------- _____ _____ _______ / ____| __ \__ __| ____ ___ ____ __ | | | | | | | | / __ \____ / (_)______ __ / __ \____ _____/ /_ | | | | | | | | / /_/ / __ \/ / / ___/ / / / / /_/ / __ \/ ___/ __/ | |____| |__| | | | / ____/ /_/ / / / /__/ /_/ / / ____/ /_/ (__ ) /_ \_____|_____/ |_| /_/ \____/_/_/\___/\__, / /_/ \____/____/\__/ The Center for Democracy and Technology /____/ Volume 2, Number 24 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A briefing on public policy issues affecting civil liberties online ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CDT POLICY POST Volume 2, Number 24 June 11, 1996 CONTENTS: (1) Join Senator Burns Live Online TONIGHT at 10pm EDT - Preview Tomorrow's Hearing on "Pro-CODE" Encryption Bill (2) Attend the S.A.F.E. 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The hearing will take place in the Commerce Subcommittee on Science, Technology and Space. This is the first Congressional hearing in recent memory to discuss "pro-encryption" legislation that would relax current restrictive encryption export controls. Never before has the public had this much access to legislators without geographical proximity. Cheaper than teleconferencing, and more direct and unfiltered than the traditional press, online chats allow the public to directly question and hear the answers from members of Congress. The online chat is at 10pm EDT (7pm PDT) TONIGHT (6/11). HotWired's WiredSide chat is at: http://www.hotwired.com/wiredside/ Tonight's forum is another in a series of planned events, and is part of a broader project coordinated by CDT and the Voters Telecommunications Watch (VTW) designed to encourage members of Congress to work with the Net.community on vital Internet policy issues and to bring the Internet Community into the debate about those issues. 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CDA decision TOMORROW 9 am! (fwd)
by David Lesher 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The CDA deathwatch is almost over. The Philadelphia court will announce its decision tomorrow, 6/12, at 9 AM EST, according to a fax from the court. Check the usual web sites for more info and breaking news on the decision: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.vtw.org/ http://www.aclu.org/ http://www.epic.org/ http://www.cdt.org/ The ACLU is holding a press conference in NYC at 11 am. The ALA/CIEC plaintiffs will be holding a press conference in Washington, DC at 12 noon. For the latest information, subscribe to the fight-censorship-announce mailing list by sending "subscribe fight-censorship-announce" to majordomo(a)vorlon.mit.edu. -Declan // declan(a)eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan(a)well.com //

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RSA patents in Canada
by sameer＠c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone have a definitive source on the state of the RSA patent in Canada? Thanks. -- Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-601-9777x3 Community ConneXion, Inc. FAX: 510-601-9734 The Internet Privacy Provider Dialin: 510-658-6376 http://www.c2.net/ (or login as "guest") sameer(a)c2.net

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CDA decision TOMORROW 9 am!
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The CDA deathwatch is almost over. The Philadelphia court will announce its decision tomorrow, 6/12, at 9 AM EST, according to a fax from the court. Check the usual web sites for more info and breaking news on the decision: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ http://www.eff.org/ http://www.vtw.org/ http://www.aclu.org/ http://www.epic.org/ http://www.cdt.org/ The ACLU is holding a press conference in NYC at 11 am. The ALA/CIEC plaintiffs will be holding a press conference in Washington, DC at 12 noon. For the latest information, subscribe to the fight-censorship-announce mailing list by sending "subscribe fight-censorship-announce" to majordomo(a)vorlon.mit.edu. -Declan // declan(a)eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan(a)well.com //

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Re: Venture capital financing/partnering for unique website ideas/entrepreneurs
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:19 PM 6/11/96 -0400, Ventureweb(a)aol.com wrote: > Re: Venture Capital Funding/Venture Partnering For > Web Site Developers/Entrepreneurs > > Hello; > > My firm, DataMerge, Inc. is currently developing a program to >provide financial backing and strategic assistance for commercially >viable website development. It is my job to locate individuals with ideas >and/or plans for creating high profile, niche market websites that, with >our assistance, can be profitably brought to maket. Hmmmm... "High profile"? Check. "niche market"? Check. "profitable"? Check... Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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"Neil, the government wouldn't tap the phones of American Reporters"
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Neil, the government wouldn't tap the phones of American Reporters" - Hedrick Smith to his NYT colleague Neil Sheehan, while working on the Pentagon Papers project - he was incorrect, and his phones _were_ being tapped.... CSPAN-2 is doing a 25-year retrospective on the Pentagon Papers this week; Daniel Ellsberg, Hedrick Smith, and others were on tonight, with people from other sides on later this week. Cool show so far! # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # http://www.idiom.com/~wcs # Dispel Authority!

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Re: Slander of Catholic Church
by Eric Wilson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:31 AM 6/11/96 -0400, you wrote: > > Tim , > You should stick to your own religion and not criticize other >peoples. It is unforunate that the esteem that I once felt for you is >dwindling because of your anti-Mormon trash. Perhaps you do not realise >that some people take more than an academic interest in their religion >;this is unforunate . It is pitiful.You are becomeing the ugly >American that foreigners hate; always having an opinion about everything. > moroni > > Hmmm.... This brings up two questions: 1. If you stick to your own religion, aren't you kind of saying the others are bad (or don't work) anyway? Its hard to be more critical than the "I'm going to heaven and you're not, because you don't do this...." crowd. 2. Isn't hard NOT to have an opinion about something? Eric

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