December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

True Random Numbers
by Kevlar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Several months ago, someone was talking about "True random numbers" and how to obtain them, and I (rather ignorantly) suggested they run a recorded sound through a program to record a 1 for every peak of volume over a certian threshold , and a 0 for every thing quieter.(I think i suggested a russeling tree, or a waterfall) Just adjust the threshold according to the volume of your sampling. (it was clear in my mind, even if I can't explain it here) Little did I know... Read phrack 54.5. -Kevlar <Webmaster(a)max-web.com> Does God know Peano Algebra? Or does she not care if strong atheists couldnt reason their way out of a trap made of Boolean presumptions? A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, but zero knowlege is absolutely subversive. Overspecialization breeds in weakness. It's a slow death. Beat your algorithms into swords, your dumb terminals into shields, and turn virtual machines into battlefields... Let the weak say, "I am strong" and question authority.

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BXA Crypto Rule
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BXA has issued today an interim rule on encryption items which implements the administration's September export policy announcement, and requests comments: http://jya.com/bxa123198.txt (79K)

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DCSB Call for Speakers
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:51:21 -0500 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu, dcsb-announce(a)ai.mit.edu From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: DCSB Call for Speakers Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Program Committee of the Digital Commerce Society invites any member of the dcsb mailing lists to submit their proposal for a luncheon talk to the Society. Speakers can be any *principal* in any field of digital commerce. That means anyone who is doing interesting research or development in, or who is making significant market innovation in, the technology, finance, economics, law, or policy of commerce on the global public internetwork. The Committee tends to consider the person giving the talk first, and then gives the speaker lots of discretion in the content of their talk -- as long as it pertains to DCSB's charter to promote innovation in internet commerce. The Society's meetings are held on the first Tuesday of the month at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, One Federal Street, Thirty-Eighth Floor, in Boston, from 12 to 2 in the afternoon. Unfortunately, the Society can not remunerate a speaker for any fees or expenses other than, obviously, the speaker's lunch, and basic overhead projection equipment. There is dial-up internet access for the meeting room. If you, or anyone you know, are interested in speaking to the society, please send, via email, a proposal, consisting of a single paragraph on the speaker, and a single paragraph on the proposed talk, to Robert Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com>, the chairman of the DCSB Program Committee, and the Society's Moderator. A list of previous speakers can be obtained with the following URL <mailto:majordomo@ai.mit.edu?body=info%20dcsb>, or, if your mailreader/browser doesn't support mailtos, send info dcsb in the *body* of a message to majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu . Thank you for considering DCSB in your speaking plans, and, if you have any questions on your submission, please contact me directly. Cordially, Robert A. Hettinga Moderator and Program Committee Chair, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNhTb/sUCGwxmWcHhAQHO2Qf/czV5QvJpM8RsX7UPydK0XAigPU6z+KxR 7sRwSOG+uguMLcEgvp+UItAOtXQc4ZGxMZib3LyqS9Hq3iZVHWTJkY/Qvk9kGUYH WNia7+1JTWfpeScDn8VSLQP4SgXSDXPoAagzxkTGs8fOuuwndb3TeDQOsTZvC/Br +Cb6cH5AM1rUr8IZBw7VJoLAkf0Hi3f1rtrWOp0lQ6DMcTVkfXy3lfa7scVXP90+ Wswa40wCrCp0O1N9mwhZa9BKGzztlksMRZzDLKVZe8tXqBMqdnQ6Un8cLLHIWdpK PFs32XSN9YqXvUQozsthc2Ao0rz4wqlTE26UNhcwCqDff04KrJ5/BA== =IhaG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and great nations." -- David Friedman, _The_Machinery_of_Freedom_ For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Learning experience
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thursday 12/31/98 9:49 AM John Young I did the first update this morning. I wonder how many rows one gets in a table until the system bombs? The Great Satan tries to bury its dissident citizens in its hidden SECRET cemetery. We will try to fix this problem. bill Title: pro se(Page 2) Pro Se [for youself] Litigation with the US Government Click 12/29/1998 - Date TenFrap40 Legal manuvering- Fed. R. App. P. 40. Petition for Rehearing 12/31/1998 foia3a47.txt Payne and Morales NSA lawsuitLetter accompanying Tenth Circuit ruling 12/31/1998 foia3a46.txt Payne and Morales NSA lawsuit Tenth Circuit Rule 54(b) ruling 12/31/1998 foia3a44.txt Payne and Morales address US Government lien 12/31/1998 foia3a43.txt Payne and Morales NSA lawsuit STATEMENT OF RULE 54(b) CERTIFICATION 12/31/1998 bur13.txt Payne exhausts administrative remedies at EEOC 12/29/1998 pena7.txt Payne exhausts administrative remedies at DOE 12/29/1998 jya.com This is a link to John Young's Cryptome web site 12/29/1998

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RE: Norway - go to jail for naming baby illegal [CNN]
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Choate [SMTP:ravage@EINSTEIN.ssz.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 1998 4:43 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com > Subject: Norway - go to jail for naming baby illegal [CNN] > > Forwarded message: > > > X-within-URL: > http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9812/23/BC-Norway-NameLaws.ap/ > > > Mother of 14 jailed for violating Norway's baby-name law > > > > December 23, 1998 > > Web posted at: 9:52 AM EST (1452 GMT) > > > > > > OSLO, Norway (AP) -- A mother of 14 was jailed this week because she > > refused to change the name she picked for her young son, even though > > that violated Norway's name law. > > > > Kirsti Larsen, 46, told the Verdens Gang newspaper that she named her > > son Gesher after she dreamed the child should be named "bridge." > > Gesher means bridge in Hebrew. > > > > Norway has strict laws regulating names, including lists of > acceptable > > first and last names. In 1995, Larsen tried to register her son's > name > > as Gesher at her local county office, which rejected the choice as > > illegal. > > [text deleted] > [Trei, Peter] This is the case in many countries - Germany and France for two. In Iceland, immigrants are required to change their names to Norse ones as part of the citizenship process. Peter Trei

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un-erata
by Alan Tu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The URL in the README.!ST file in the package is correct, thanks to Ralf. Alan

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FWD: Boston Globe on International Net Threats
by Stewart, William C (Bill), BNSVC 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Boston Globe December 28, 1998 Pg. A1 Nations strive to limit freedom of the Internet By David L. Marcus, Globe Staff WASHINGTON - As promised, the Internet is turning into an unstoppable geyser of information, a source of data, news and opinions that flow freely around the world. Except in China, which blocks access to sites about Tibet, Taiwan, democratic movements and dissident groups. Except in Saudi Arabia, which censors sites critical of the royal family. Except in Germany, where a judge sentenced a CompuServe manager to two years in prison for allowing access to pornography. Except in Cuba, which has seized laptop computers from dissidents as "subversive instruments." In short, despite grand promises, the Internet is not yet an unrestricted electronic village green for the world. The more information that becomes available, the more governments try to stanch the flow with new filtering technologies or strict limits on who can use computers. Democracies as well as dictatorships are cracking down on sites that are found to be too dangerous, too lurid, or too controversial. "The restrictions are coming fast and furious," said Barry Steinhardt, chairman of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an advocacy group based in San Francisco, and head of the American Civil Liberties Union's task force on cyber-liberties. "The Internet is very frightening to many governments because it's an inherently democratic medium, so the first reaction is to reach out and control it." At least 20 countries restrict access to Internet sites, from Bahrain, which bans electronic versions of Playboy magazine and home pages that the government says are pornographic, to Singapore, where the Ministry of Information and the Arts keeps out sexually explicit material and news critical of the government. More than a dozen other countries are considering restrictions. The European Union, for example, is weighing proposals to ban child pornography and xenophobic materials. In Germany, freedom-of-speech advocates are outraged by a judge's decision in May to sentence the CompuServe official to jail (the judge suspended the sentence). The United States, too, is trying to restrict the Internet. A 1996 law, the Communications Decency Act, criminalized on-line communcations that were "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy or indecent, with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten or harass another person." Under that definition, independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr's report to Congress on President Clinton probably would have been banned from the Net. The Supreme Court struck down the law, but another aimed at sites harmful to children is supposed to take effect next year. A growing number of civil liberties groups - such as Global Internet Liberty Campaign, Digital Freedom Network, Internet Freedom, OpenNet, and Britain's Cyber-Rights and Cyber-Liberties - vehemently oppose restrictions on the Internet. But many specialists argue that the issue is more complex. Shouldn't Germany have the right to restrict false and provocative Nazi propaganda? Shouldn't American states have the right to stop electronic dissemination of step-by-step instructions on assembling a car bomb? And why should any government allow child pornography to proliferate? "In all countries, you will find people who argue that certain things should not be available to other people," said David Webster, chairman of the Transatlantic Dialogue on Broadcasting and the Information Society, a group that includes private industry and government. "No politician gets up and says: 'I think the availability of pedophilia material is concomitant to liberty.' He'll lose his seat." The impulse to restrict access has been highlighted this month in China, where the government is holding its first trial of a "cyber-dissident." Lin Hai, a 30-year-old software engineer, is charged with inciting subversion by providing 30,000 Chinese e-mail addresses to a dissident group in Washington. Lin, who says he is innocent, faces a maximum penalty of life in prison. Lawyers who follow China's one-sided judicial system say he is likely to be convicted. In Shanghai, a physicist named Wang Youcai, who registered an independent political party, was sentenced to 11 years in prison. His crime: communicating with democracy activists inside and outside of China. As President Jiang Zemin cracks down on dissent, other cyber-sedition trials are likely in 1999. Less dramatic but just as important, China's day-to-day censorship of the Internet affects scores of groups. The International Campaign for Tibet, for instance, often receives reports that the Chinese government has blocked access to its web site, said communications director Teresa Perrone. But she added that enterprising scholars in China often find ways to circumvent the censors and look at the group's information. Several groups report that when the government blocks sites, the information still reaches Chinese via e-mail, bulletin boards, chat rooms, web sites with code words that filters cannot detect and a variety of creative ways. "China may be the extreme case because they attempted to up a pretty impervious wall around the Internet," said Adam Clayton Powell III, vice president of the Freedom Forum, which advocates unrestricted media. "However, because China wants to be a world economic power they need high-speed, real-time, financial information." Financial reports from services such as Dow Jones or Reuters often contain political news. For every new restriction on the Net, there are new ways to get around it, said Vint Cerf, senior vice president for Internet architecture and technology at MCI-Worldcom. "It just isn't possible," to keep things away from Net viewers, he said. But Jonathan Zittrain, executive director of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School, said improved technology will make it easier to keep track of who is looking at the Net and to restrict what is seen. "China has fairly crude tools for filtering, but my prediction is the Internet of 2000 is one that China will have less difficulty in regulating," he said. Some countries that have sampled the Internet have found it distasteful. Last year, Vietnam decided to allow the public to use Internet services. But 10 days ago, the Communist Party decided to set up a committee to consider restrictions as a way of "correcting mistakes and bias," the Liberated Saigon newspaper reported. "The stronger the central government, the more conservative they are in terms of allowing political information on the Internet," said Grey Burkhart, a retired communications expert from the Navy reserve who helps international groups get access to technology. Burkhart has taken a special interest in developing countries, including Russia, Bosnia, and Syria. It isn't easy. Despite the government's pledges to open Syria, the country still has no Internet service provider. To access the Internet, computer users have to make long-distance calls to Lebanon and other countries. Syrians aren't allowed to have cellular telephones, which are considered a security risk. This year, however, Syria allowed computer modems to be installed and an Internet service is promised. The most restrictive countries, including Iraq, North Korea and Cuba, are those that control all forms of media, not just the Internet. In Havana's airport, several laptops carried in by passengers and intended for dissident groups have been seized in the last couple of years, said Frank Calzon, executive director of the Center for a Free Cuba. Police even took a $150 electronic typewriter from a dissident becaue it was "an instrument of high-tech subversion," Calzon said. Surprisingly, Latin America, which has a tradition of censorship, has been quite open to the Internet. Pedro Armendariz, the director of Investigative Editors and Reporters in Mexico, a non-profit group, has traveled to conferences in Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Peru and throughout Mexico. Outside of Cuba, he has found no restrictions on the Net, other than the expense of service and unreliable telephone lines. "I would dare to say that far from having serious restrictions in Latin America, we have a problem with sorting through so many things on the Net and discriminating about what is useful and what is garbage," Armendariz said.

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Englewood seeks limit on Net sex sites
by Douglas L. Peterson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Seems this stuff is now in my own back yard. If anyone wants to talk to the people involved, go here: http://www.ci.englewood.co.us/ http://www.denver-rmn.com/news/1231filt4.shtml > Englewood seeks limit on Net sex sites > > Program to curb access of children at libraries > > Associated Press > > > ENGLEWOOD -- The Englewood Public Library will > be the first in Colorado to try a new technology > strictly limiting children's access to sex sites > on the World Wide Web. Mayor Tom Burns said the > city and its librarians have no intention of > censoring the Internet, and the Guardiannet > program can be cancelled after a 30-day test run > if it doesn't work out. > > Starting in April, all of the library's Internet > users will need a plastic "Smart Card" to go > online. The cards will be coded to indicate > whether children under 18 have their parents' > permission to full access or should be restricted > to the limited database of 5,000 child-friendly sites. > > "It's a solution that allows parents to make > the decision, rather than the institution," said > City Manager Gary Sears. > > However, Sears said the move could invite > lawsuits from civil rights groups that may > view the city's decision as censorship. The > move also comes amid national debate > among librarians on whether blocking systems > constitutes censorship and violates First > Amendment rights. > > Jamie LaRue, president of the Colorado Library > Association, called Internet restrictions > "a tricky issue." > > "When I was a little boy ...I knew what was > wrong," LaRue said. "The part that bothers > me is that we are using technological > inventions to replace civility and conscience in > what is in fact an ethical problem." > > The Englewood City Council voted 5-2 to > approve the $108,000 contract with > Guardiannet, even though the library > board recommended against it. > > Councilwoman Lauri Clapp said it will give > the library the needed tools to help parents > protect their children. City Councilwoman > Alex Habenicht opposed the measure. > > December 31, 1998 -Doug www.TheServerFarm.net

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critique of capitalism/moore
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:04:29 -0500 From: "Mark A. Smith" <msmith01(a)flash.net> To: Mark <msmith01(a)flash.net> Subject: SNET: Police State Conspiracy - An Indictment (Conclusions) - -> SNETNEWS Mailing List This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------5E5047714EA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.newdawnmagazine.com.au/51b.htm - --------------5E5047714EA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="51b.htm" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="51b.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by echo.flash.net id MAA07108 THE POLICE STATE CONSPIRACY =97 an INDICTMENT =97 [Image] By RICHARD MOORE [CLOSING ARGUMENTS] Presented before the GRAND JURY of LIBERTY On this FOURTH DAY of HEARING The PEOPLE v NWO Et Al Defendant 1 - NWO ("Corporate Globalist Elite") Defendant 2 - MEDIA ("Corporate Mass Media") Defendant 3 - GOVT ("National Government Leadership") Defendant 4 - INTELCOM ("Intelligence Community") Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, in the first three days of this hearing we have seen how the infrastructures of a police state are being established in the United States. Civil liberty protections have been systematically dismantled; conspiracy laws permit the conviction of people not involved in crimes; police forces are being paramilitarised; longer sentences are being given for minor offences; prison populations are growing dramatically. We have seen how factionalism is being promoted in order to divide society against itself; we have seen how the evidence shows that dramatic incidents, such as the World Trade Centre and Oklahoma Federal Building bombings, have been covertly and intentionally staged in order to avoid debate in the implementation of police-state measures. Today, in these closing arguments, we will examine two points. First, we will review the background of the NWO capitalist elite in order to understand why political suppression via police-state measures is an inevitable necessity for them. Second, we will review recent developments in Ireland, to show how police-state measures which took years to justify politically in the US are being exported wholesale to other Western countries. 1. Capitalism and the Necessity of Police States in the West The religion of the NWO elite is capitalism, and the root of most of the problems of the world today, including the development of police states in the West, can be traced to the dynamics of capitalism. The dictionary definition of "capitalist" begins: "An investor of capital in business..." What distinguishes capitalism from earlier forms of private commerce and trade is the emphasis on external capital investment =97 funds which are invested in an enterprise for the purpose of increasing the value of the investment. In particular capitalism is characterised by stock corporations, where ownership shares in a business can be bought and sold. Stockholders are technically the owners of an enterprise, but the interests of stockholders are not the same as the interests of an owner who also operates an enterprise. An owner-operator is concerned with operating a healthy business and developing it over time. He or she might be interested in growing the business, or might just as well be happy for it to stabilise at some manageable size and then bring in a stable ongoing profit. But a capitalist, an external investor, is interested solely in the growth of the business, which is what increases the value of the stock investment. A stable business translates into stagnant stock values; a business which is merely profitable is not a good place for capital investment. One can compare a corporation =97 or any investment vehicle =97 to a taxicab, and an investor to a rider. The operator of a taxicab is concerned with keeping the vehicle in good repair and making a regular profit over time. A rider, on the other hand, is only concerned with his own use of the vehicle. If the rider gets to his destination on time, he has little concern over whether the vehicle is damaged in the process. Similarly a capital investor uses an investment vehicle. Only a period of growth is required by the investor. If the vehicle then falters, investors simply sell their shares and reinvest elsewhere. The history of capitalism is indeed strewn with the carcasses of boom-and-bust corporations, industries, and whole economies. In a capitalist economy there is a pool of capital =97 the sum of all the money investors are making available. Just as water seeks its own level, so this ever-growing capital pool always seeks the best available growth opportunities. And just as water over time can wear down the highest mountain, so the relentless pressure of this growth-seeking capital pool eventually creates an economy and society in which growth is the dominant agenda. External ownership =97 the separation of ownership from operation =97 is the origin of the growth imperative in a capitalist economy. The evolution of capitalism proceeds according to the following dynamic. In each phase of its development capitalism operates within a larger societal regime =97 a particular political, cultural, technological, and economic environment. Within this regime, under the relentless pressure of the investment pool, the various investment vehicles are exploited to the maximum practical degree. There always comes a point where further growth of the pool becomes problematic or impossible. When such a societal growth barrier is encountered, the creative energy of capitalism is unleashed on a new objective: changing the surrounding societal regime. There is thus a characteristic rhythm to capitalist evolution. Periods of growth within a regime are punctuated by changes of regime designed to create a new period of growth. A new societal regime might be characterised by technological changes (the Industrial Revolution), by political changes (creation of republics), or by new societal projects (imperialism.) Driven by its relentless growth imperative, capitalism has become the driving force behind societal evolution wherever it has taken hold. Apologists for capitalism call such societal changes "progress" and emphasise whatever real or imagined beneficial qualities might be present. In fact such changes have been designed by human creativity yoked to the objective not of societal improvement, but to that of creating new investment vehicles for the ever-voracious capital pool. In fact the intentional destruction of societies and economies, particularly but not only in colonised nations, has been a technique frequently employed to create new investment vehicles. One of the most important and characteristic societal developments brought about by capitalism is the rise of capitalist elite oligarchies. Given that the evolution of capitalism proceeds through an ongoing series of intentional societal changes, it is only natural that the mechanisms of societal control would themselves evolve over time and eventually be consolidated into political domination by a capitalist elite. People of the same trade seldom meet together... but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. =97 Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations In every society where capitalism has taken hold, a dominant capitalist oligarchy has in fact emerged, along with the establishment of institutions designed to further elite interests in a systematic way. Today, the United States itself has become a vehicle for managing world events so as to facilitate investment, to make the world safe for capitalism. Transnational corporations (TNC=92s) have evolved into gigantic engines for generating capital growth, and TNC-dominated bureaucracies (International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Trade Organisation, et al) are being given global decision-making power over a wide range of issues, loosely called economic =97 and those institutions are rapidly becoming in all but name a world government. Global capitalism today is coming up against several constraints, and globalisation, in its full NWO dimensionality, can be seen as the creative attempt by very competent, corporate-funded planners to overcome those constraints. One of the constraints comes from the very global success of capitalism =97 there is no longer any possibility of growth through territorial expansion. Other means of growth =97 and many have been perfected over the years =97 must b= e deployed. In Southeast Asia, in Africa, and in the former Soviet Union, the policies of Western finance capital and of its tool, the IMF, have created capital-growth vehicles through the intentional destruction of once healthy economies. In South Korea, for example, Western over-investment was followed by the sudden withdrawal of funds and credit. Thus a financial bubble was created, and when it burst the South Korean currency was destroyed and the national finances were depleted. In desperate need of finance, South Korea was forced to turn to the IMF. The IMF then came forward with one of its infamous "restructuring" programs which in truth should be called "demolition" programs. Sound businesses that had been thriving only weeks before were forced into bankruptcy; South Korea was forced to change its social and labour policies from top to bottom; the systems were dismantled which had been responsible for South Korea=92s postwar economic success. These so-called IMF "reforms" which were forced on South Korea had nothing to do with the causes of the financial collapse. Not only that, but the IMF "rescue funds" did not go to South Korea at all, but were rather used to repay the external investors whose market manipulations had caused the collapse. While Western taxpayers fund the IMF, and Southeast Asian (and other) populations suffer the consequences of IMF policies, it is Western capital that reaps all the benefits. What were the benefits reaped by Western capital? To begin with, the IMF bailout of the investors means that Western capital was first able to profit from the decades of South Korean growth, but was then protected when the bubble burst. Global capitalism has been called "casino capitalism", and the IMF makes sure that the big players cannot lose in this game, no matter which cards turn up. But that was only the beginning. To understand the primary benefit derived from destroying the South Korean economy, we must note that capitalism is currently suffering from what is called a "crisis of over-production". The efficiency and size of TNC producers have evolved to the degree where much more can be produced than can possibly be consumed. In automobiles, electronics, and many other industries there are simply too many producers chasing too few consumers. Interventions such as in South Korea and the former Soviet Union have become a systematic mechanism to selectively cull global competitors, thus creating growth room for those that remain. In addition, the assets and productive capacity of the victims have been made available at bargain prices for purchase by Western interests. This selective destruction of economies is a "regime change" in the global society, designed to create growth vehicles for the Western capital pool. Elimination of producers creates growth room in the global economy for Western operators; bargain purchase of assets increases monopoly concentration of global commerce in Western hands; destabilised societies are forced to import what they formerly produced for themselves, further increasing Western capital-growth opportunities. One of the myths of globalisation is that it represents a relative decline of Western interests, that market forces will allow other regions to make inroads against traditional Western domination. With the postwar economic rise of Japan and later Southeast Asia, this myth in fact gained considerable credibility. But as the postwar boom began to level out, and a new regime of growth became necessary, it has become clear that the global capital elite remains primarily a Western elite. The IMF is in fact dominated primarily by Western-based interests, and its power has been used to selectively cull non-Western operators. While the IMF culls competitors using the power of the purse strings, the US and NATO accomplish the same objective in other ways. In the case of the petroleum market, where limiting supply is crucial to maintaining desired global oil prices, geopolitical machinations have been employed to restrict at various times the production of Iran, Iraq, Libya, and others. By encouraging the split-up of Yugoslavia, which competed in several world markets including automobile production, additional culling was accomplished. As capitalism enters its global era, it is doing so under the control of the Western capitalist elite. This elite dominates the leading Western nations politically, even more firmly controls the foreign policies of those nations, and totally controls the policies of the IMF, the World Bank, and the other institutions of the global governmental apparatus. All the potent agencies which determine the course of global societal evolution are firmly in the control of the Western elite. But in another sense the decline of the West is not myth but reality. Western elites remain in firm control and continue to prosper under globalisation, but Western societies are in fact in decline =97 economically, culturally, and politically. This decline is intentional, planned and implemented by the capitalist elite as a societal change designed, as always, to create growth vehicles for the capital pool. This particular episode of Western societal engineering is called the "neoliberal revolution" and it was formally launched with the candidacies of Ronald Reagan in the US and Margaret Thatcher in the UK, and with the adoption of the Maastricht Treaty in Europe. The agenda of the neoliberal revolution is summed up in the all-too-familiar mantra "free trade, deregulation, privatisation, and reform". The true meaning of this agenda can be easily found by analysing each transaction in terms of its consequences for capital growth. Free trade, whose practical definition must be inferred from the terms of the international free-trade agreements, in fact means the elimination of national sovereignty over the flow of capital and goods. The consequence is that TNC=92s have more flexibility in optimising production and distribution, and in exploiting the opportunities created by the culling of competitors. This flexibility is the growth vehicle provided by the free-trade plank of the neoliberal platform. Deregulation refers to the elimination of national sovereignty over corporate concentration, capital movement, corporate operations, pricing, and product standards. Again the benefit is clear. Greater freedom in concentrating ownership, shifting capital, operating without environmental or other restraints, raising prices, and reducing standards =97 these all provide vehicles for growth in this neoliberal phase of capitalism in Western economies. Privatisation refers to the sale of national assets to corporate operators and the transfer of control over national infrastructures to those operators. Each such transfer creates an immediate growth vehicle for capital, in the exploitation of the asset and the infrastructure. In addition the transfers have been in fact sweetheart deals where negotiators on both sides of the transactions have represented the interests of the same capitalist elite. Asset values have been heavily discounted, through various tried-and-true trickeries of accounting, and the "sales" have in fact represented immediate transfers of wealth from public ownership directly into corporate coffers. The sale transactions themselves are growth vehicles. Reform, besides referring to generic compliance with the neoliberal agenda, also means reducing the taxes of corporations and the wealthy, eliminating social services, and generally cutting back the functions of government. Obviously these tax changes serve to grow the capital pool. The elimination of social services also serves as a growth vehicle in two ways. Workers become hungrier for employment, creating a downward pressure on wages. New enterprises can be started in order to provide the services formerly provided by government (medical care, insurance, etc). The general cutting back of government functions is simply part of the sovereignty transfer from national governments to the centralised regime of global institutions. As power and administration is concentrated globally, the role of national governments is being reduced and refocused. As has been long true of governments in much of the Third World, the role of Western governments is devolving toward three major functions: conforming to the dictates of the global regime, making payments on the national debt, and controlling the domestic population. The paramilitarisation of police forces, the rise in prison populations, and the extension of police powers are very necessary societal changes required to enable the full implementation of the neoliberal agenda. It is no accident that in the USA, where the neoliberal agenda has been most thoroughly implemented, the collateral police-state apparatus is also most thoroughly deployed. SWAT teams, midnight raids, property confiscations, mandatory and draconian sentencing, a booming prison-construction industry, increased surveillance and monitoring of individuals and organisations =97 these are all an increasing part of the American scene. Government officials have stated that Americans must expect even more dramatic security measures, and that military vehicles and weapons can be expected in domestic situations where warranted by security concerns. The neoliberal agenda in fact amounts to the dismantlement of Western societies, undoing what was in some sense many decades of social progress. Although the dominant global elite remains based in the West, strong Western societies are no longer required under the global regime, as they were in the era of competitive nationalism. Just as the IMF devastates non-Western societies in ways that provide growth vehicles, so the neoliberal revolution devastates Western societies for the same purpose, if at a somewhat more gradual pace. Police-state regimes, whether or not acknowledged by that name, are an inevitable necessity if Western nations are to be kept in line as the neoliberal dismantlement, which is still in its early days, continues to unfold. 2. Exporting the Police State: Ireland and the Omagh Bombing I=92ve been living in the UK and Ireland for over four years. I=92ve been observing the peace process and the tactics of the various sides, including several Irish Republican Army (IRA) bombings. While by no means condoning violent methods, I have been nonetheless impressed by the care that went into the planning and execution of most of the IRA=92s operations. Huge bombs were set off in London, in the heart of the financial district and at the Docksides complex, causing immense property damage and embarrassment to British officials, with surprisingly little injury or loss of life. Without approving of violence, one can still acknowledge that the IRA has, at least in recent years, been politically astute in their (nonetheless unjustifiable) operations. The Omagh bombing was totally out of character; it made no sense whatsoever within the political context of Northern Ireland and the progress of the peace process. Certainly there are dissident elements who aren=92t satisfied with the compromises that have been reached, but accommodations have been made to all sides, and the overwhelming spirit in both North and South is to reach a settlement and put the "troubles behind us". The Omagh bombing was the most deadly of the entire 30-year "troubles". It was out of character not only by its timing, but also in terms of its scale. My first response on hearing of it was "Where did this come from?" It seemed to have come from out of the blue, totally unrelated to the Irish context. It felt like one of the "staged dramatic incidents" that we reviewed in the previous instalment of this Indictment (see New Dawn No. 48). Suspicious, I waited for the other shoe to drop. I didn=92t have to wait long. The headline on page seven of the Irish Times for September 1st reads: "Harsh measures =91regrettably necessary=92 to fight terrorism." Here we read of a fourteen-point anti-terrorism bill that is, in its essentials, copied directly from the police-state provisions that have been adopted in varying degrees by the US and Britain. A suspect who refuses to answer questions, can have his silence used against him. The silence itself can be "inferred" as being corroborating evidence against the suspect. The right to trial by jury becomes little more than a sham: if the suspect doesn=92t confess all, he either opens himself to perjury (by lying) or else builds, through silence, an "inferred" case against himself. The validity of trial by jury is further undermined by a another provision, which requires the defense to announce to the prosecution, in advance of a trial, all witnesses it is going to call. Thus the prosecution is armed in advance with the strategy of the defense, much to its advantage. And witnesses are exposed to possible harassment leading up to the trial, the fear of which could have a chilling effect on their willingness to testify. As if that weren=92t enough, a suspect is expected to divulge, under police questioning, every bit of evidence that he might rely on in his defense. Otherwise "inferences" can be drawn. The very vagueness of "inferences" still further extends the power of the state over that of the accused in what has become a mockery of a criminal trial. The "conduct" of an accused =97 by which he can be judged guilty =97 is re-defined to include "movements, activities, actions or associations". The critical word here is "associations". If you can be proved to be a member of an organisation, and if that organisation engages in illegal acts, then your mere association makes you to some degree a party to the acts. This provision establishes in Ireland what in the US are known as conspiracy laws. Such laws, in conjunction with agent provocateurs, can be used to suppress popular organisations which legitimately and legally oppose government policies. Just as the US President, under police-state provisions, can declare any organisation to be a "terrorist organisation", so can the Irish government "suppress" any organisation under the 1939 "Offences Against the State" act. The new "regrettable measures" of the anti-terrorism bill extend considerably the power of the state to succeed in suppressing any organisation it decides it doesn=92t like. Under the charge of "directing an unlawful organisation", one can receive life imprisonment. "Directing", it turns out, means directing the activities of the organisation "at any level". Thus, if an organisation has been officially "suppressed", all of its leaders down to the precinct level can be rounded up and put in prison with the key thrown away =97 simply for being leaders, and even if the organisation is engaged in no illegal activity. Under the charge of "unlawful collection of information" one can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. If you have maps and lists of people, perhaps to support political organising, and the prosecutor says you were planning a terrorist network, it is up to you to prove he=92s wrong. Again trial by jury is made a mockery. Instead of the state proving its case beyond a reasonable doubt, it is up to the accused to prove they aren=92t guilty. During thirty years of troubles such anti-terrorist provisions were not considered necessary. Then on the very eve of final settlement a mysterious, uncharacteristic "incident" occurs in Omagh, and with suspicious suddenness the Irish government comes up with an anti-terrorism bill which mimics the "latest developments" in the police-state provisions of the US and Britain. The parallels between the Oklahoma City and Omagh bombing scenarios are striking. Both were unprecedented in their scale of death and injury; neither made any sense in terms of being a "political statement" for any group or organisation; the circumstance of both were highly suspicious; both were immediately followed by the passage of omnibus anti-terrorism bills without debate. Summary The pattern, then, is clear. The US leads the way in the development of police-state measures and of the means to get them implemented without debate. The measures are then exported to other countries by the tried-and-true method of staging dramatic incidents. Globalisation is a very systematic process, as we have seen in the pattern of IMF interventions, and as we can see in the establishment of global governing institutions. It is no surprise that a systematic means have been developed to implement the police-state regimes which are required to fulfill the aims of the neoliberal revolution. The evidence, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is clear. Our NWO elite leaders are committed to the program of corporate globalisation. They are compelled to this strategy by the need to keep their capital pool growing. Reducing Western populations to Third-World status is a necessary part of their plans for the globalisation of the economy and the consolidation of all power in their centralised bureaucracies. The installation of police-state regimes is being purposely pursued in order to force this elite program on Western populations. I suggest to you that the only reasonable verdict is "guilty as charged", and that the sentence should be the overthrow of the capitalist elite oligarchy, through non-violent democratic revolution, and the replacement of the capitalist system by one more appropriate to human happiness and well-being. I thank you for your attention and invite you to go forth and do your duty as free men and women to secure the future of the Earth and of your progeny. Recommended Reading (alphabetical order): William Blum, Killing Hope, US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II, 1995, Common Courage Press, PO Box 702, Monroe, ME 04951, USA. Michel Chossudovsky, The Globalisation of Poverty, 1997, Third World Network, 228, Macalister Road, 10400 Penang, Malaysia, fax 60 4 226 4505. Richard Douthwaite, The Growth Illusion, 1992, Lilliput Press, Dublin. William Greider, Who Will Tell the People =97 the Betrayal of American Democracy, 1993, Simon and Schuster. Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order, 1997, Simon and Schuster. V.I. Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, 1939, International Publishers Co. Jerry Mander and Edward Goldsmith (editors), The Case Against the Global Economy and for a Turn Toward the Local, 1996, Sierra Club Books, San Francisco. Richard K. Moore, Globalization and the Revolutionary Imperative, a book-in-progress available online at http://cyberjournal.org/cadre/gri/gri.html Michael Parenti, Make-Believe Media =97 the Politics of Entertainment, 1992, St. Martin=92s Press, New York. David Wise, The American Police State, 1973, Vintage Books. Previous parts of Richard Moore=92s Police State Conspiracy =97 An Indictment were published in New Dawn Nos. 46, 47 & 48. [Image] Richard Moore, an expatriate from Silicon Valley, currently lives and writes in Wexford, Ireland. He currently runs the Cyberjournal "list" on the Internet. Email: rkmoore(a)iol.ie, FTP: ftp://ftp.iol.ie/users/rkmoore/cyberlib Address: PO Box 26, Wexford, Ireland. - --------------5E5047714EA-- - -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo(a)world.std.com - -> Posted by: "Mark A. Smith" <msmith01(a)flash.net> ------- End of Forwarded Message

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by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 15:28:40 -0800 To: rah(a)shipwright.com, Other People... From: Somebody Subject: Northpole Standoff Dec. 23, 1994 Northpole Standoff A fierce battle ended in a stand-off today as a multi-jurisdictional task force of federal law enforcement agents tried to arrest the leader of a militant doomsday cult, who call themselves "Elves," living in a heavily fortified compound at the Northpole. According to witnesses, federal agents hid in livestock trailers as they drove up to the compound. The approach was difficult in the snow using wheeled vehicles. Several agents were reportedly thrown from the trailer when it hit a snowbank. The agents were unable to use dog teams and sleds because the ATF agents shot all the dogs during training at a nearby recreational facility where agents had practiced for weeks on a mock-up of the compound in preparation for the raid. As three National Guard helicopters approached, over 100 law officers stormed the main compound, a heavily fortified gingerbread structure, throwing concussion grenades and screaming "Come out!" Cult members and law officers negotiated a cease-fire about 45 minutes after the incident began. For the next several hours, ambulances and helicopters swarmed the premises. The area was cordoned off and ATF agents with machine guns were posted in the roadways to keep reporters at least two miles from the main battle area. In a lengthy report on the group Saturday, The Northpole Tribune-Herald said that the cult was known to have a large arsenal of high-powered weapons, probably produced in a workshop disguised as a "toy factory." This toy factory is also believed to be the sight of a mephamphetamine laboratory, according to sources inside the ATF. The article quoted investigators as saying the crazed cult leader, who uses several aliases, "Santa Claus," "Saint Nick," "Sinterclaas," and "Saint Nicholas," age unknown, has abused children and claims to have at least 15 wives. Santa Claus denies these accusations of abuse and said he has had only one wife, Mrs. Santa Claus. Authorities had a warrant to search the Northpole compound for guns and explosive devices and an arrest warrant for its leader, Santa Claus, said Mess Stanford of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Washington, D.C. Mr. Stanford added it would be useless to attempt to get a copy of this warrant, however, because it had been sealed, "for national security reasons." The assault came one day after the Northpole Tribune-Herald began publishing a series on the cult, quoting former members as saying the deranged cult leader, Santa Claus, abused children and had at least 15 wives. ATF spokesman Jack Killchildren in Washington said the assault had been planned for several weeks, although he added, "I think the newspaper's investigation set up heightened tension." The cult's fortress, called "The Toy Factory," is dominated by a tower with lookout windows facing in all directions. Guards reportedly patrol the 77-acre grounds at night. Attorney General Janet Reno ordered the raid after cult members refused to surrender documents relating to national security. A source inside the Justice Department said that the documents were lists of cabinet members and highly placed government officials who were naughty or nice. Despite preliminary, secret negotiations to obtain the list, the Elves refused to surrender the document to the Justice Department. The raid was scheduled for December 23, because December 25 is believed to be a traditional cult holiday and all the militant elves would be engaged in cult rituals in preparation for the event. At a press conference this afternoon, Attorney General Reno said, "These militants abuse children in the most vile manner, by teaching them to expect charity. They have even distributed free, working replicas of 'assault weapons' and 'handguns.' It is a matter of dire importance to our future and the future of all our children, that this peril be ended by every means at our disposal." She went on to say that "I do not want to surround the compound and shoot everyone and then burn it to the ground in order to prevent this child abuse from occurring again, but that appears to be our only alternative." According to Reno, the "Toy Factory" itself is a sweatshop and conditions inside were horrendous. The Department of Justice is also looking into allegations of animal cruelty. Former members of the cult have claimed that Santa Claus frequently uses leather restraints on at least eight reindeer, housed in sordid conditions on the compound. Witnesses reported seeing a reindeer with a protruding red nose, which Janet Reno said was further indication of the abusive conditions inside the compound. Several of the elves were reported by the BATF to have been carrying automatic weapons. However, independent sources dispute this, claiming that the "automatic weapons" were nothing more than large candy canes. ATF leader Ted Oyster, shaken after the ordeal, spoke to reporters as hundreds of agents, many of them in tears, were taken away from the Northpole in military airlifts, ambulances, and private vehicles. "We had our plan down, we had our diversion down, and they were waiting..." Oyster said resignedly, shaking his head. A hospital spokesman said that most of the wounded ATF agents appeared to be suffering from shrapnel wounds from broken candy canes, as well as frostbite, apparently suffered from wearing forest-green camouflage in the wintry terrain. Attorney General Reno offered no comment on these reports. Mack "the knife" McWarty was seen strolling across the White House lawn, chuckling to himself as he read what inside sources say was a copy of the naughty/nice list. One highly placed government official was found dead in Marcy Park. His name and the cause of death are unknown at this time, however, the White House immediately issued a statement claiming the official had committed suicide after learning his name was not on the nice list. Patsy Thomahawk refused to comment on the advice of her attorney on whether she had any part in removing copies of the naughty/nice list from a safe in the White House. A spokesman from the MJTF said that it was indeed a tragedy that Santa Claus had caused this confrontation, but this should be a lesson to anyone who tries to give to everyone without permission from the welfare department, and that gathering sensitive data without a permit from official sources will be stopped by any means. FBI spokesman Bob Pricks, the former national Abortion Poster Child of 1944, relayed that "We are dealing with a madman. We have cut off all electricity, water, and communications to the compound. Santa Claus has demanded that we relay a message to the world. It reads, 'Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.' FBI psychological experts are presently analyzing the message, however, preliminary reports indicate this is an encrypted threat to invade the neighboring towns near the Northpole. It may also be a doomsday message that the cult intends to commit suicide, like Jonestown." Shortly after the raid, a smiling Reno was seen strolling through the pile of rubbish looking for anatomically correct Barbie dolls. She claimed that she was going to confiscate any that she found as "evidence" and that they were for a personal investigation that she was conducting. Attorney General Reno also disclosed some information about plans to raid Mr. E. Ster Bunny sometime next spring. According to the FBI's report on Mr. Bunny, he has been hoarding food all year. This is in direct violation of a secret Presidential Directive. "This ingratitude for everything that we have done will stop, even if it means raiding every house in the USA to enforce these new laws that were made to insure your freedom...." Reno said. This, boys and girls, should make us all sleep just a little bit better tonight. The government will protect us from overindulging in freedom. If they didn't step in and take control of that "naughty/nice" list, just think what shape we might be in..... ***** <somebody's .sig> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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RE: Norway - go to jail for naming baby illegal [CNN] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:57:17 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: RE: Norway - go to jail for naming baby illegal [CNN] > At 5:59 PM -0800 12/31/98, Reeza! wrote: > > >THAT is _almost_ understandable. You say that Iceland requires immigrants > >to change their names to Norse ones, you didn't say to Norse ones on the > >approved list. or Norse ones avoiding those on the disapproved list. Does > >Iceland have the same "children who are born here are Icelandic citizens, > >regardless of the nationality of the parents" provision of the US > >constitution? > > Is that written into the Constitution? I wasn't aware of that. If so, I > will have learned something new tonight, perhaps the last major new thing I > learn in 1998. No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. The first sentence is normaly considered the legal standard that is being referenced here. It's the only place in the Constitution that refers to how one actualy gains citizenship. There are apparently three (one unmentioned) ways: 1. natural born (ie being physicaly born on US soil) is the highest measure of 'American' citizenship 2. being a citizen of the US at the time of ratification 3. Unementioned, but implied by the stipulation of 1. for the office of president. The intent is commenly held that this prevents foreign nationals of long-standing from bringing foreign influence into the office. Implicit is that the legislature set relevant standards. ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by jose 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanx 4 da help, but it isnt the answer to ma question. I tray to know, ..... All the pc's on Internet use a server (Remote o local ; named ,etc ) that resolve the queries 4 non ip's domains, like www.microsoft.com 4 example 200.37.129.2 ---- use 207.17.220.2 to resolve the queries (of the domains ) in internet. I like to know if there be a program that say me Remotly that 200.37.129.2 use 207.17.220.2 to resolve the domain ( 4 da Internet ) queries. Best wishes Jose A. Freyre Security Admin - UNI - Networks

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BAY AREA CYPHERPUNKS MEETING, SATURDAY 1/17, OAKLAND
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The January Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting will be Saturday afternoon at C2 Software's office in Oakland. Agenda: Export Laws - Lee Tien and Greg Broiles Work in Progress Lots of discussion from RSA Conference. Time: 12-6pm followed by dinner - program starts at 1:00 Location: C2Net Software, Inc. 1440 Broadway Suite 700, Oakland, CA Phone: (510) 986-8770 Fax: (510) 986-8777 Public Transportation - about two blocks from the 12th St BART station. This is the best way to get there from San Francisco, and parking for BART trains is easy. :-) Driving - From South - take 880N to Broadway exit, about .9 mile, park From San Francisco - Take the Bay Bridge to Grand Ave, turn right on Telegraph and continue on Broadway. Map URL: http://www.mapblast.com/yt.hm?FAM=mapblast&CMD=GEO&SEC=find&IC=0%3A0%3A5&IC… Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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<sigh>
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Due to a misbehaving mailing list I have lost some mail this morning. :( If you have sent any message to me between 00:00-13:00 GMT-0400 today please resend the message. Also could someone from the mailing list send me copies of the messages that I have missed. Thanks, - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM85dN49Co1n+aLhhAQF3fAP8Db4z+7GLaSsst8ZkGVG151NO4lIt0wbR S5oRTbLWRQbuAGccvGvKJSLtu3QPzn1wwp3khVJiVvz6QvweMTXBd6IV7QNvhE5o An519HaatiAICAgkPcBC5/l1SkTfcRxX8GYk1SUWI8Ockw9zyLZtY9VsbgtgD3Yk QFqprV7VQrQ= =fiQQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: payment & tents
by Hacking In Progress 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 8 Jul 97 at 23:21, Secret Squirrel wrote: > Can you please tell me where tents (for 10+ people) > can be bought/hired in the region of Amsterdam ? > Some of us are eagerly trying to organise this aspect > of the trip, and would welcome pointers. Try for rent: In Purmerend, Netherlands call 02994-20999 They rent army tents. But you'll have to arrange everything with them we can't do that. Expect around 350 guilders rent and about 1000 for deposit. Maurice > Also, I cannot read the [INLINE] phone numbers to call > with my credit card number - can you please publish > both answers on your mailing list ? Call in the Netherlands to 31 20 6263438 cu, Maurice Wessling -- Hacking in Progress 8-9-10 August Tents, TCP/IP, Jolt and politics http://www.hip97.nl/

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Re: EuroEnglish
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Viz speling lik zis, ho neds kriptografy? > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE EUROPEAN UNION COMMISSIONERS > > An agreement has been reached to adopt English as the preferred > language for European communications, rather than German, which was the > other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government > conceded that English spelling has some room for improvement and has > accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish > (Euro for short). > > In the first year, "s" will be used instead of "c". Sertainly sivil > servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard "c" will be > replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion, but komputers > and typewriters kan have one less letter. > > There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the > troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like > "fotograf" 20 per sent shorter. > > In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be > expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are > possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, > which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre > that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgracful, and > they would go. > > By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing > "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". > > During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining > "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of > leters. After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer > vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to > understand ech ozer. > > ZE DREM VIL FINALI KUM TRU. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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AlterNIC takes over InterNIC traffic
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C12382%2C00.html?nd AlterNIC takes over InterNIC traffic By Courtney Macavinta July 14, 1997, 12:15 p.m. PT A rival domain name registry to the official Internet registrar, InterNIC, redirected users from "www.internic.net" to its own site last weekend in what is being called a "protest." Netizens told CNET's NEWS.COM that they ended up at AlterNIC, or "www.alternic.net," after typing in InterNIC's URL. AlterNIC was set up by the enhanced Domain Name Services to offer alternate top-level domains, such as ".ltd," ".sex," and ".med." "By redirecting the domain name 'www.internic.net,' we are protesting the recent InterNIC claim to ownership of '.com,' '.org,' and '.net,' which they were supposed to be running in the public trust," AlterNIC CFO Eugene Kashpureff stated on his site. "Our apologies for any trouble this DNS [domain name system] protest has caused you...We think we exercised restraint in the use of our latest DNS technology for this protest," the letter states. "We terminated the protest configuration at 8 a.m. Monday, July 14." The AlterNIC site also contained a link that allowed visitors to access the actual InterNIC in the protest message. InterNIC is the registrar of the most valuable domain names, such as ".com." It is administered in part by Network Solutions under agreement with the National Science Foundation, which ends in March of next year. During its tenure, Network Solutions has collected approximately $78 million in registration fees. The protest is the latest move in the heated debate over who will control the Internet naming system, which has turned into a lucrative business as commercial entities fight to establish brand awareness by using the most coveted names. For example, the name "business.com" was bought recently from its registered owner for $150,000. Last month, the Commerce Department asked for public comment on the future of the domain name system. An ad hoc committee formed in part by the Internet Society also proposed a plan last year for replacing Network Solutions and reconfiguring how the names are handed out. Kashpureff said he is protesting Network Solutions' claim in its recent Securities and Exchange filing that it owned the property rights to ".com" and the other popular domains. "If they think they own the entire domain name space, I've got news for them. Over the weekend, I possessed their name," he told CNET's NEWS.COM. No one at Network Solutions could be immediately reached to comment on whether the company will look into legal ramifications for the rerouting of its traffic by AlterNIC. Kashpureff wouldn't say how he managed to abduct InterNIC's domain name but did say he did it to demonstrate the system's vulnerability. "I'm not releasing how I did it because it would take out the name service on the Net. The hack was a result of a years' worth of work under a project called 'DNS Storm.'" Moreover, there is no telling how many registrations InterNIC could have lost due to the antic. But some Netizens who were involuntarily transported to the alternate site didn't seem to mind. "They do have a good point in the fact that those domain names are supposed to be in the public trust. I don't agree with the InterNIC monopoly either," said Jason Brunette, a Webmaster for TCB Internet in Wisconsin, who was rerouted to AlterNIC this weekend when he tried to register a domain.

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
by Anonymous Sender 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Harmon Seaver wrote: > > This isn't a ski mask burglary. We KNOW Saddam ruled Iraq. > > We KNOW what crimes were committed. Simple syllogism. > > No we don't. We only know what the propaganda mills have told us. > Twenty years ago it was a different story. The propaganda mills were working for Saddam, not against him. http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/04/1599076.php "Over the last dozen years I made 13 trips to Baghdad to lobby the government to keep CNN's Baghdad bureau open and to arrange interviews with Iraqi leaders. Each time I visited, I became more distressed by what I saw and heard - awful things that could not be reported because doing so would have jeopardized the lives of Iraqis, particularly those on our Baghdad staff." http://www.techcentralstation.com/041103H.html "It appears there is another, more troubling, reason Jordan decided not to report these hideous crimes until the regime was safely out of the way: CNN didn't want to lose its on-the-ground access to a big story." Human Rights Watch, Amnesty, and countless Iraqi refugees all report similar stories of widespread torture and murder. Is it your position that these are all propagandists? Dismissing as "propaganda" any reports that oppose your argument, while accepting as truth any claim that supports it, is simple intellectual dishonesty.

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U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-- On 16 Dec 2003 at 2:36, Anonymous wrote: > I saw several people commenting the issue of Geneva > convention on CNN during the day. Also I saw an expert on > this field from another country commenting on the issue > stating that it was a clear violation of the convention. In > either of these interviews were there any discussion on > whether it didn't apply to this specific case due to what > clothings he happened to wear or whattever. I got the > impression that it was clear that the U.S. treatment wasn't > fully appropriate. If you were watching the BBC, you would have thought most of the Iraqi population were outraged by his capture. I think you are suffering from New York Times syndrome "If even the New York Times admits that the kulaks are happy and prosperous under Stalin, that shows you how great the Soviet Union really must be when you discount all that capitalist propaganda." --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Lh9C/c3J2U0bybWlK/P0f5hnnZT1z+2QEe1K9Ev2 4cVVWOLkCVsvYQG/u75vRB5xVrL2GjBeaEl+j6x07

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Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)
by Michael Kalus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 17-Dec-03, at 5:43 PM, Jim Dixon wrote: > >> According to the US Government though they are not soldiers. They are >> "unlawful enemy combattants". > > I can only interpret this as your saying that the US Government's > judgement in this issue is correct, and they are not POWs. > I only tell you what they are telling us. I do not agree with this assessment personally. >> >> The war in Afghanistan is over. This is were they were caught. Thus >> they >> should be released, no? > > Oh, we are back to their being POWs. Fine. In that case, the answer > to > your question is no. > > The war in question was begun by an attack on the United States, by the > murder of 3000 people in New York City. Is this war over? Not > according > to tapes attributed to al Qaeda. They still profess to be at war with > the United States. > Where the war begun is probably debatable. The US had (and has) their fingerprints over a lot of things that are happening. And all of these you could construe as an act of war. > Is the war in Afghanistan over? Not according to news reports. Osama > bin > Laden remains free. The Taliban remain active. But the regime has been replaced, thus the war is over, no? That was the case in Europe. Germany was defeated, a new government installed (with a lot of people from the old one) and you called it "done deal". Same in Japan. So what's different this time? > >> If they are terrorists and they have proof of >> this they should put them in front of a court (and I guess that should >> be a civil court, not a military tribunal as I don't quite see since >> when the US Army is performing law enforcement duties). > > Please make your mind up. Now they are terrorists again. > I am answering to your statements. We have already established that if they are POWs then they should be released because the war is over (see above). If they are not POWs but held because of terrorist charges, than they should be tried no? > Whose law requires that terrorists be treated in this fashion? > Our "enlightened" western society, led by the USofA who proclaims to know what right and wrong is (and who wants to teach it to all those "primitive" cultures in the middle east). > The US Army's responsibility is not to enforce the law. It is to > defend > the United States. They seem to be doing a good job at the moment. > Sure sure, nobody has flown another plane in a building. Is this because of the US Army and all those nifty security screenings at the airport (just last weekend I flew out of Dallas and saw more than enough ways to get something through security), or because nobody really wanted to do it right now? Guess we'll never know. But of course the Spinmeisters are going to say it's because of the war in Iraq and added security. I wonder who or what they are going to blame the next time someone gets blown up. > In the United States it is the responsibility of the police to enforce > the > law in their jurisdiction. There is no US police force with > responsiblities in Guantanamo. US law does not apply to Cuba. Nifty, isn't it? "Well people, we see your point. But you have to Understanding, even though we control Guantanamo Bay and even though Diego Garcia is a British Island which we just annexed, we can't really do anything to help those poor people. But don't fret, if they would be in an Afghani jail they would be off worse. Remember, we are the good guys, we only do what's in humanities best interrest." If they would be held in New York State they would have more rights. So let's just not even try that, we might actually HAVE to treat them according to the gospel that we preach. >> But they are not POWs by their own account. If they could be charged >> with any of these crimes above, then what takes two years to actually >> convict them? > > By your way of thinking, if I am taken prisoner in a war, I can decide > that I am not a POW and walk free. That's not what I said. What I DID say was that if they are not POWs and are not charged with a crime, they should be set free. > > In what war has this been common practice? See above. >> Some of them ARE US Citizens. Others are citizens of other states. >> International Law means that if I (holding a German passport) have to >> be >> allowed to contact MY government in order to receive any aid that I >> might require. This right has not been given. > > What "International Law" says that unlawful combatants get to contact > their governments in this manner? > The term "unlawful combatants" doesn't exist either. So the question is mute. Let's say "Human being" instead. > What if the government contacted, say Afghan or Pakistani, would prefer > that they not be contacted as you desire, or prefers that you be held > as > a prisoner indefinitely? Than you have a problem with your government. But neither British, nor Canadian nor French authorities were notified / could be contact OR, after they found out, were allowed to talk to their people. > >> Granted, I would not be protected under the rights of the US >> constitution, but I do have other rights and those are clearly >> violated >> as well. > > What's so clear about this? Do you actually have any knowledge at all > of customs and practices in countries in the region? Do you care at > all > about the opinions of local people, about their customary practices? I > think not. It is not only about people from Afghanistan, it is also about other countries, see my text above. >> >> Treason would need to be proofen. Considering that no charges have >> been >> brought forward after almost two years it is pretty clear (or at least >> appears to be) that there is no proof that any of these people did >> anything wrong. > > Do you know for a fact that there are US citizens held at Guantanamo? > If > so, who are they? > There have been several reports. What about John Walker? Whatever happened to him? >>> >> It doesn't. But if that would be the case than the captured Afghans >> should be returned to the Afghan authorities, why is this not >> happening? > > Perhaps the Afghan authorities don't want them back. > > Hello? > Perhaps you just look for the easy way out? Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBP+DwTmlCnxcrW2uuEQL6iwCeOK5U56u8xVB9aT1SAqj+yi7OULcAoOd0 bml/UV9L7YtJFFoAq77OCilk =aXZZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
by Michael Kalus 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 17-Dec-03, at 5:23 PM, Jim Dixon wrote: >>> Damn lucky, to be honest. >>> >> No I did not omit this little bit. This is not the question. > > Oh but it is. > Ah? Why? >> Guilt or not guilt is not (supposely) decided when captured but in a >> court of law. You remember, "Justice" the thing the US supposely is >> standing for? > > Are you saying that the United States has to be a light to the world, > that > it has an extraordinary responsibility to be morally correct, that its > actions should be judged by a different standard from those of other > countries? The US makes these claims on their own. If they are the "good guys" than they should act like it. Not only when it is convenient but also when it is not. Morale is not about the "best bang for the buck" but about integrity. The US Government clearly does not possess a lot of integrity when it comes to morale. > What are you, some kind of pro-American fanatic? Last time I checked I was a human being. > >> Whatever he did before, it does not matter at this point. At this very >> moment the people who have to abide are the victors and that means the >> US Government (and thus the US Military). >> >> Two wrongs still don't make a right. > > What exactly is wrong with inspecting a prisoner's teeth and giving him > a haircut? Televising this for propaganda purposes. > > Why exactly do you say that mass murder, invasion, genocide somehow > are outweighed in the scales of justice by a medical examination? > No, what I am saying is that no matter what he did, the US still has to play by international rules (or should at least). Using those images from Saddam as Propaganda clearly is wrong. Michael -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBP+DxBGlCnxcrW2uuEQJqKQCgujw7xjSVAPdzXDcEW9abBkRyaF8AoNOL H+VuSTqSPFSTA834qQS2X36C =ULJm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
by Nomen Nescio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim, sorry it was unclear from my post whom I was referring to. It was "James A. Donald". I did put his message id in a reply-to header. Jim Dixon wrote: > Hitler, you mean? Or did you have Milosevic in mind? No what I meant was what IF somehow Bush or Blaire or some other high ranking coalition politician were captured by Iraq during the war and was treated in the same way. I can only presume you would support Saddam's soldiers checking Bush for lice then. You are also utterly missing the point and you are one pretty good example of how "the mob" are thinking. EVERYONE, including Saddam, Pol Pot or whattever should be treated in accordance with the laws by us who call ourselves the free democratic part of the world. Then they shall stand trial. A fair trial and being represented by lawyers. What would be more satisfying for the critics of U.S. than to see U.S. not being able to get its act together and instead conducting itself in a manner inconsistent with international law during this rather criticl phase of the Iraqi campaign. Mark my words, U.S. will be in regret later. Jim Dixon, you also wrote some half trouths on the subject of Palestinians and the support they received. You should read up on this subject. Saddam also has a history of building up edicational institutions and so on. He recived awards by U.N. earlier on for his wellfare programs and the development Iraq was gaining. Anyone can check this up, just call U.N. in NY and you'll receive a few references I'm sure. What I mean by this is not to defend him in any way but I feel that this rewriting of history and propaganda is serving noone in the long run. If you believe that 100% of the arab world in their harts and minds hate Saddam you're wring. Very wrong. Steve Schear: thanks for your interesting post! Some people need to learn more of that. I also noticed on the news that CIA was conducting the questioning of Saddam. (Did anyone expect anything else?!) I guess this also means that U.S. now will join all dicatators and awful beasts in performing various forms of abuse and torture on him. Iraq formally removed the death penalty just a few weeks ago. Regardless of what you feel about that in general, I think it's embarrasing once again to see U.S. almost "lobbying" against the Iraqis to have them not honouring their own laws to satisfy Bush on this specific issue! Remember there's only one reason for Bush wanting to see Saddam dead and that he does. And that is the fact that "Saddam tried to kill my papa" as Bush put it, I've seen it in interviews myself. Jim Dixon, going through your post again I see yet another half trough, you write > The people on this list are less.. public humiliation and hanging of Americans.. And you seem to forget that U.S. was in bed with Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war era and that there was a friendly tone then. U.S. officials met with Iraqi, I think that Tareq Azis met with Reagan even? Your whole post is based on the feeling that we're gonna do what they did to us. In doing so you have manifested what has been written here about "gasing into the abyss" and so on. You have become what you hunt. Be ware. It is my opinion that we shall distinguish ourselves from these bastards by not committing their deeds ourselves. You seem not to agree on that. And that is a major mistake.

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Re: Don't worry...it's just one of Saddam's doubles
by Tyler Durden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"If I don't remember incorrectly, they said something about identifying him by DNA testing." Well, of course "Saddam" is going to test positive...he's apparently an actual CLONE. Actually, from what I understand this is the 'original' Saddam (note how much older he seems than the Saddams we've been seeing in the press over the last few years), but he hasn't actually controlled things for a couple of decades. The Saddam we're really looking for is approximately Saddam #3, and he's still at large, and directing the insurgency. -TD >From: Thomas Shaddack <shaddack(a)ns.arachne.cz> >To: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> >CC: cypherpunks(a)minder.net >Subject: Re: Don't worry...it's just one of Saddam's doubles >Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:33:53 +0100 (CET) > > >On Sun, 14 Dec 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: > > > Spread the word. The adminstration got desparate. In a few weeks they'll > > announce this isn't the real Saddam, but that rounding up all of the >clones > > is necessary progress in the fight to get the real Saddam. > >If I don't remember incorrectly, they said something about identifying him >by DNA testing. But it wasn't widely quoted in the mainstream news. So >even if it really is him - they may still claim he isn't the real McCoy if >the insurgency won't stop. > >The timing is definitely weird. Too soon before the Elections. > >But there is still the backup, the Lost TV Star, also known as Ossama; >whether They intend to announce capturing him, or whether he will be >claimed responsible for Something Scary in a psyops attempt to make the >voters more susceptible to the beat of the Homeland Security drums. _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
by Tyler Durden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"I'd be real happy about millions of bleeding hearts all over the world jerking their knees in unison, ready to cry a fucking ocean over this unbelievably cruel haircut and medical check-up I'm being given. Fucking tools." A thread that started out quasi-interesting has descended into non-Cypherpunk levels of triviality. The original point stands, and is valid. The Islamic world and, in particular, the Arabic part of the Islamic world, are probably going to forget their dislike of Saddam when they see those newreels of the great Dictator being rubbergloved and de-loused. For them it's almost certainly going to resound as a symbol of how we've systematically manipulated and fucked them over all these years. They're not going to respect our "Power", they're not going to care much that WE supported Saddam in the first place. They're just going to get angrier. Look for bin Laden to grow in status until he's just a notch or two below Mohammed. Look then for more bombings and 9/11s here in the US. That Saddam was a cruel, butchering dictator will soon be nearly irrelevant. -Tyler Durden >From: Anatoly Vorobey <mellon(a)pobox.com> >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention? >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:54:57 +0200 > >You wrote on Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 03:19:43PM -0500: > > Jim Dixon wrote: > > > > > > > >I have gazed into the abyss and seen a man having his teeth checked and > > >getting a haircut. :-| > > > > > > > > > > And how would you have felt to be the one who got your teeth checked and > > get a haircut with the whole world watching? > >If I had record like Saddam's on me? > >Gee, I'd be real happy I wasn't shot on the spot, or maybe cruelly >tortured and then shot, the way I'd behaved to people I'd captured. >Or maybe torn into pieces by a shrieking mob. > >Instead of doing any of that, they check my teeth and give me a haircut >in front of the cameras? Boo fucking hoo. I'd be real happy about >millions of bleeding hearts all over the world jerking their knees in >unison, ready to cry a fucking ocean over this unbelievably cruel >haircut and medical check-up I'm being given. Fucking tools. > >-- >avva _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
by Tyler Durden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Later today, a source close to the interrogation said that Saddam would be subjected to stress and sleep deprivation. Basically, teams of interrogators will ask questions over and over again, and no one will get any rest until answers are provided." At least here in NYC local news, it's common to hear newsmaggots issuing leadins such as, "Will the CIA be able to make Saddam talk?" and so on. I think this implies the "obvious", but it's an obvious that should be stated: The US public basically now generally knows that some forms of extreme measures are being applied to prisoners and detainees, and we're willing to look the other way. After all, 9/11 proves "they" (picture a cluster of darkish-skinned turbanned men wearing fatigues and huddling in caves) are out to take away our freedoms. so why shouldn't we do the same thing to them? >From: Eric Cordian <emc(a)artifact.psychedelic.net> >To: cypherpunks(a)minder.net >Subject: Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention? >Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:04:43 -0800 (PST) > >Natt writes: > > > You're one-hundred percent correct. I saw that sack of shit Rumsfeld on > > a press conference this afternoon where he answered the specific > > question of does parading Saddam around violate the Geneva convention.? > >Rumsfeld also revealed that the CIA has taken over the Saddam >interrogation, and pundits are speculating that they will use the same >torture techniques that are being used on the "detainees." > >Later today, a source close to the interrogation said that Saddam would be >subjected to stress and sleep deprivation. Basically, teams of >interrogators will ask questions over and over again, and no one will get >any rest until answers are provided. > >Bill Bennett said just a few minutes ago, that Saddam's capture made >America safer, because the world has learned that "If you mess with >America, you wind up in a hole." > >A friend of mine, when asked what he wanted from Santa for Christmas, >replied, "A crater the size of DC." > >Clearly, the world's leaders are looking closely at Saddam's treatment, >and realizing how easily pissing off the Bush family could result in them >being shown on International TV unbathed, unshaven, checked for fleas, and >bent over for a rectal probe. > >Of course, all of this is provoking a new arms race of astronomical >proportions, as the other nations of the world realize international law >means nothing, and that the US and Israel think they can judge everyone >else on the planet, no one can judge them, and they can act with impunity. > >This will, in a few years, result in the usual "force meets force plus >brains" low level format of the arrogant, and after a few hangings, and a >big round of applause, life on the planet will move on. > >-- >Eric Michael Cordian 0+ >O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division >"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
by Freematt357＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 12/17/2003 1:00:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamesd(a)echeque.com writes: > Firstly, the US army has not violated the Geneva convention: How so? > we will > cheerfully wade knee deep through blood and the body parts of > innocents to destroy those that threaten us, as the crusaders > waded to the holy sepulchre. > I obtained the below quote from your website located at: http://www.jim.com/liberquo.htm "America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own." John Quincy Adams Regards, Matt-

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TSA/FBI No-Fly Nexus
by J.A. Terranson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Terrorism: The New Aviation Threat http://www.c-spanstore.com/172153.html Since I started loading this video stream I am now watching several hours ago, I no longer remember where I saw the link I clicked on that has allowed me to watch this without buying it :-( But the regular purchase link is above. This presentation by an FBI Counterintel agent (Art Cummings) is mostly a standard promo for the bureau, a bunch of rah-rah, we're great, terrorists suck, etc., but he opens with a firm statement that the TSA no-fly list is a direct product of the FBI itself ("we feed the information to TSA"). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the FBI stated several times (and in several places) that TSA's list is their own, and that FBI has nothing to do with it? Does this data provide anything for John's suit? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org "Unbridled nationalism, as distinguished from a sane and legitimate patriotism, must give way to a wider loyalty, to the love of humanity as a whole. Bah'u'llh's statement is: "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." The Promise of World Peace http://www.us.bahai.org/interactive/pdaFiles/pwp.htm

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
by Freematt357＠aol.com 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

In a message dated 12/15/2003 9:44:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, timcmay(a)got.net writes: > There are specific clauses which refer to not publically humiliating a > prisoner. I'm surprised the Agitprop Division didn't show video of > Saddam taking his first dump while in custody. > > Saddam is not a good guy. But this went beyond the pale. You're one-hundred percent correct. I saw that sack of shit Rumsfeld on a press conference this afternoon where he answered the specific question of does parading Saddam around violate the Geneva convention. His answer was that some things are more important, that it was necessary to show to the world that Saddam was in custody and he wasn't going to be back in power, etc. He added that Saddam is being treated humanly, and he takes offense to anyone who suggests otherwise. Regards, Matt-

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Saddam drugged says daughter.
by Harmon Seaver 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3324021.stm And probably they're using drugs to "interview" Saddam, which explains the quick following busts. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com

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[fc-announce] FC'04: Call for Participation
by R. A. Hettinga 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text

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CarBomb Rips Berkeley, CA
by wguerin＠tulane.edu 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

CarBomb Rips Berkeley California A large though prude carbomb rips through the student community of Berkeley, CA at exactly 4:20 am pacific time on friday Dec. 12th. Friday December 12th, 4:20am Pacific, Berkeley California: The device, a 10 element remotely detonated carbomb rips through the dense student populated section of Berkeley, CA less than 4 blocks from the southwest corner of the UCB campus. An audio recording by a student preparing her oral component of a final documents the sequential detonation of a 3-element primary fired by a tap off the vehicles car horn security system, followed by between 5 and 8 secondary charges detonated presumably by burnout. Students in the area have exactly 2 comments on the event: Most living in the adjacent appartments say in a monotonic way: "I'm sorry, I do NOT know what you are talking about." and a limited few others, also from the same areas, say "I am not at liberty to discuss these issues." Students from the surrounding appartment complexes are concerned about the excessive secrecy regarding this explosion that woke over half the people within a quarter mile radius, early friday morning. The explosive elements, after audio analysis, appear to be roughly equivalent to 10 cases of TNT. At least one Berkeley Police Department officer has said that they had a "NO RESPONSE VECTOR" during and prior the time of the explosion. This author has not yet determined the meaning of this phrase. Numerous appartment complexes in the surrounding area have had multiple unexplained fire alarms and other strange activities in the last few days. No mass media coverage or documentation has been available to this author, and most parties researching this event are hesitant to discuss for obvious reasons. -------- (forwarded - WLG)

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cpunk-like meeting report
by Major Variola (ret.) 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

I went to a meeting of the Irvine Underground (irvineunderground.org) which reminded me of late-90s SF CP meatings. Although the overall tech level was probably lower and social implications weren't a big topic. Also, at this meeting, there were far more cameras or videocams than were present (at least overtly :-) at the few CP meats I attended. However, nyms were used more than they were (overtly :-) at CP meatings; this may have been due to a "introduce yourself" poll. The IU group seems to be a bit more social, going to movies for instance, than the topic-only CPs were. The meeting was held in a room at an IHOP (pancake restaurant for furriners) The exploit mentioned in http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2003-12-11-microsoft2_x.htm was demonstrated, we were debriefed on the recent LA 802.11b War Flying mission (and the EMI resistance of 1960's era single-engine airplane instruments :-). Toorcon organizers were present. About 30+ people were there, with what appeared to me to be a bimodal distribution of skills, some advanced, some admitted unix newbies, etc. There was even recreational lock picking. A WiFi LAN, net connectivity through someone's cell phone eventually. A video projector. I didn't notice persons with exceptional Euler numbers, though black was definately the color of choice for garments. Ages appeared well distributed from undergrad to hoary. One gent noticed a certain TLA on my cypherpunks T-shirt and admitted that he had once worked in Ft Meade, though he wouldn't say on what :-)

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Remailers and TLAs
by Nomen Nescio 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

Even though I agree this issue is important I wouldn't be surprised if NONE were run by TLAs today and NONE has ever been run by TLAs. We will never get any such answer and therefore these speculations will continue. Personally I think it sounds really stupid when I read comments like "you can only trust remailers from pre 9/11" (these kinds of silly/stupid/dumb-paranoid comments are often seen on A.P.A-S). The reason being really that I think they are too stupid and perhaps doesn't really understand what good it would do them to actually operate a few. I may be wrong I guess. When thinking of these things I also remeber having read several comments by remops that actually have been visited by police. Both in U.S. and abroad. The feeling I got from reading their comments is that the police (in case of U.S. I think it was FBI who was inviolved) actually didn't even know what a remailer was. If (and this is a bif "if") that is true in general amongst FBI agents I don't think th ere's a major risk of beeing flooded by TLA operated remailers any time soon. But who knows.

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Re:Textual analysis
by Major Variola (ret) 16 Dec '03

16 Dec '03

At 10:36 AM 12/14/03 -0500, John Kelsey wrote: >It's not obvious to me how you'd change your writing style to defeat these >textual analysis schemes--would it really be as simple as changing the >average length of sentences and getting rid of the big words, or would >there still be ways to determine your identity from that text? Its like steganalysis. Its an arms race between measuring your own signatures vs. what the Adversary can measure. If sentence length is a metric known to you, you can write filters that warn you. Similarly for the Adversary. You end up in an arms race over metrics ---who has the more sensitive ones that the other does not control for?

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Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings
by Anonymous 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

Nomen pondered: > Why robbing banks? Aside from allowing the > government to regulate them, what have they > done to deserve being robbed Why not? Revolutionaries need money, and the financial sector has always been asshole buddies with the police, politicians, and other pigs.

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U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
by Anonymous 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

The U.S. official's way of behaving like Texas rednecks are embarrassing. Not only are they cheering "we got him" like a child who can not withhold his enthusiasm. Displaying Saddam the way they did are also possibly a clear violation of the Geneva convention as far as I can tell. What was that quote by Nietsche again? One person who actually did behave in a respectable manner was the President. No lame "we got him" or cowboy hats there. At least not this time.

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Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
by privacy.at Anonymous Remailer 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

>The U.S. official's way of behaving like Texas rednecks are embarrassing. Not Crosspost from nettime: Subject: <nettime> wrong signals If symbols really do matter we might conclude that American administration's PR machine has got it badly wrong. In the carefully orchestrated news management of Saddam's capture, once again, the public opinion which *really* matters in the middle east: Arab public opinion, has been conclusively misread The image of an Arab leader (however terrible) being objectivised by a white gloved American medic like a bug on a lab bench, will not be read in the Arab world as a moment of liberation. It will be seen as a special kind of humiliation, the kind which typifies the depth of ignorance which has inspired this campaign from its outset. Once again the images (chosen with great care one imagines, given the time lapse between Saddam's capture and the John Wayne style triumphalism of the announcement) treats Arab opinion to a further demonstration of the power of the west to objectivize the world under a coolly scientific gaze. In this context no mediaeval torturer could have conceived of a greater humiliation than the medical torch's pencil thin beam illuminating the inside of the tyrant's mouth. A stupidity of almost incomprehensible proportions seems bent on prosecuting a war against terror in which the twenty-four hour news machine is mobilized to disseminate images that do little more than fan the flames of hate.

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Re: Zombie Patriots and other musings
by Anonymous 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

A question for the moment might well be how many if any of the remailers are operated by TLAs?

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Re: Idea: Simplified TEMPEST-shielded unit (speculative proposal)
by Anonymous Sender 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

While I agree with much of what you say I don't think it's likely that any kind of advanced SIGINT operation was what brought him down. The most important thing to have is intelligence from humans. From insiders. This is partly the problem with the intelligence agencies today. They think too much of the technology and it's possible uses. Good old fashion "spies" will always be the most powerfull way to get information if you can get someone to cooperate. This is also why it is a bit harder in countries with a lot of people willing to kill or be killed for the sake of ideas. Even so it seems that someone sold him for the money in this case. It was bound to happen sooner or later since it's not possible to be on the run without trusting at least one or a few individuals from time to time.

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Hack the Vote: cause a blackout
by Major Variola (ret) 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

(This inspired by comments in Scheier's cryptogram) Do all the newly electronic voting places have UPS? I doubt it. Think of the fun you could cause if you downed a few substations or poles. >> And because elections happen all at once, there would be no means of recovery. Imagine if, in the next presidential election, someone hacked the vote in New York. Would we let New York vote again in a week? Would we redo the entire national election? Would we tell New York that their votes didn't count? >>What we need are simple voting systems--paper ballots that can be counted even in a blackout.

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Using PCR to find Hussein via the sewers? [GATTACA]
by Major Variola (ret) 15 Dec '03

15 Dec '03

At 04:50 AM 12/15/03 -0800, John Young wrote: >There's a good possibility that Saddam was traced by Tempest >sensing, airborne or mundane. I wonder if you can trace DNA in sewers back to the source, esp. in an inbred locale? (Peter? PCR with Saddam specific primers?) Or did he just dig a cat-hole instead of using the infrastructure? You can trace industrial contamination up sewer lines back to the source. How about the cells we shed? Just theoretically. Papers fnord says someone used to the good life narced, couldn't handle a jail cell.

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