December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Starting Date of the Digital Revolution
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friday, September 05, 1997

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Re: New GAK Bill
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: cyberia-l(a)listserv.aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:01:59 -0400 From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin(a)law.miami.edu> Subject: Re: Mandatory key escrow bill text, backed by FBI This is shocking. For a legal analysis of why mandatory domestic key escrow would not (most likely) be constitutional for non-commercial messages, see parts III & IV of: http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/clipper.htm A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | U. Miami School of Law | froomkin(a)law.miami.edu P.O. Box 248087 | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/ Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | It's hot here. ---------- Here's an excerpt from the June version of the Secure Public Networks Act (McCain-Kerrey Bill S.909), the revised draft bill now being circulated that Declan quoted: TITLE I - DOMESTIC USES OF ENCRYPTION SEC. 101. LAWFUL USE OF ENCRYPTION. Except as otherwise provided by this Act or otherwise provided by law, it shall be lawful for any person within any State to use any encryption, regardless of encryption algorithm selected, encryption key length chosen, or implementation technique or medium used. SEC. 102. PROHIBITION ON MANDATORY THIRD PARTY ESCROW OF KEYS USED FOR ENCRYPTION OF CERTAIN COMMUNICATIONS. Neither the Federal Government nor a State may require the escrow of an encryption key with a third party in the case of an encryption key used solely to encrypt communications between private persons within the United States. SEC. 103. VOLUNTARY PRIVATE SECTOR PARTICIPATION IN KEY MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE. The participation of the private persons in the key management infrastructure enabled by this Act is voluntary. ---------- For full text of the June version: http://jya.com/s909.htm

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Re: LYING FUCKS! / Behind the ELECTROMAGNETIC CURTAIN
by Syniker＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

alright... i finally figured a way around ctrl-alt-delete on my aol account here, so here is my first post... bear with an old fart, who is trying to learn encryption... and who when he does, will pass it along to whoever he can... yes -- we need to do ALL these things... but we need to do it ... ENCRYPTED... by as many as possible... as SOON as possible... the thing that is missing here -- to beat freeh and the other freaks... is that PGP -- or whatever -- must be POPULARIZED -- and by that, i mean -- the 'learning and doing' -- an encrypted email... must be made easy enough -- so that the average aol user... will -- FIRST -- think it's something they should have and use... and SECOND ... they'll have a way they can use it quickly and easily... figure it this way -- if you could get ALL nine million aol users.... to send an encrypted email -- on the SAME day .... to everyone in gov that says FUCK OFF -- NO WAY MY KEY.... what the fuck is the gov gonna do about it?????? as in the internet at large, and the WWW -- it is the sheer number of us 'users' ... that is scaring shit out of govs everywhere... but right now -- they have a big, big advantage..... they are using the time-honored principle of 'divide-and-conquer' ... to extreme advantage -- and it is one that we can take from them with a little thought, organization, and planning....... the fight against CDA was greatly helped with the co-operative 'black-out' pages.... and that's the general idea.... whoever can write an icon-based gui -- point and click -- that will encrypt and send an email.... and includes an user friendly system for email spam filters......... gee -- could make a small fortune... [they are using 'spam' as a backdoor to GAK] maybe it's already been done? -- I've got eudora lite w/pgp on board -- but no time to try it out yet..... anyways -- dammit -- the key to this fight is in NUMBERS ....... if I was even forty or so -- I'd try it myself.... it's REAL important....... ldm

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Re: Political News from Wired News
by Syniker＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 97-09-06 07:15:18 EDT, vznuri(a)netcom.com (Vladimir Z. Nuri) writes: << maybe I'm not following closely enough, but I haven't seen a *single* reference. that's really eerie. can't we get a *single* senator to bring up that issue? >> me neither... it's fucking mind-boggling.... and where's all the 'censorship' people???? it's like -- no one can make the 'connection' .... the CDA and FCA lists are dead ... not a word ... how can we all have wet powder at the same time? is Leahy saying anything? .... i'll find his site and see..... ldm

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Crypto Hearings
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan, or anyone, are there any transcipts of this SAFE hearing, or news reports, or other documents: September 4, 1997 SECURITY AND FREEDOM THROUGH ENCRYPTION ACT Committee on Commerce: Subcommittee on Telecommunications, Trade, and Consumer Protection held a hearing on H.R. 695, Security and Freedom Through encryption (SAFE) Act. Testimony was heard from Representatives Goodlatte and Lofgren; William P. Cowell, Deputy Director, NSA, Department of Defense; William A. Reinsch, Under Secretary, Export Administration, Department of Commerce; Robert S. Litt, Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Criminal Division, Department of Justice; and public witnesses. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- And for these of the coming week: Congressional Record: September 5, 1997 (Digest): CONGRESSIONAL PROGRAM AHEAD Week of September 8 through 13, 1997 [Excerpts] House Committees Committee on National Security, September 9, to markup H.R. 695, Security and Freedom Through Encryption (SAFE) Act, 1 p.m., 2118 Rayburn. Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, September 9, executive, hearing on Encryption legislation, 10 a.m., H-405 Capitol. September 11, executive, to markup Encryption legislation, 10 a.m., H-405 Capitol. Committee on Science, September 10, hearing on Next Generation Internet Initiative, 10 a.m., 2318 Rayburn. September 11, Subcommittee on Courts and Intellectual Property, hearing on H.R. 2265, No Electronic Theft (NET) Act, and also on electronic copyright piracy, 10 a.m., 2237 Rayburn. September 11, Subcommittee on Crime, hearing regarding cellular telephone fraud, 9:30 a.m., 2141 Rayburn. Senate Committees Select Committee on Intelligence: September 10, to hold a closed briefing on intelligence matters, 2:30 p.m., SH-219. Committee on Labor and Human Resources: September 11, to hold hearings to examine the confidentiality of medical information, 10 a.m., SD-430.

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Cyber Threat Fud
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

WaPo mocks today a prez panel's gurglng for a $1B "cyber security" cleaver to lop-hand the world's HRH Harry-Hackers: http://jya.com/pccipower.htm Read how 3xlegal-limit limo-liz-NSA hot-wires dire Di-car-alarms, pillar plow not, how to shuck for xtra bux spying foes inside your Net warfare.

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Money, Sex, Technology and Home Bus
by scannmann＠nevwest.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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My Day
by iagoldbe＠csclub.uwaterloo.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, my brain's pretty frazzled about now (and I still have a pretty dense paper on xFS to read and summarize for 9am tomorrow for my OS class) from all the press that's gone after me today. The ones I wrote down (I believe sameer wanted a list; I have names and numbers for some of these, too, bt it was pretty hectic: get off the phone, go to my terminal, note that I have 20 new mail messages from people wanting interviews or info, and answer the phone because it's ringing again.): NY Times WS Journal SF Chronicle CNN (camera crew) Marketplace (NPR) SF Examiner Kansas City Star Chronicle of Higher Education Boston Globe Newsweek (or WiReD; it was Steven Levy) and at least half a dozen more. Not to mention the job offers, one call that I couldn't decipher (it sounded like one of those AI's that you see roaming the net every so often, only on the phone), and email in French (je suis canadien, but I was still amazed I could understand it). Sorry for the blathering, but that's how I feel just now. BTW: the line we tended to stress was "public availability of source to at least the security bits", but who knows how it will come out? Holger.Reif(a)PrakInf.TU-Ilmenau.DE (Holger Reif ) was kind enough to verify that the SunOS 4.1.3 version of Netscape generates its keys in _exactly_ the same way as Solaris and HP-UX; he says he'll test other architectures tomorrow. I suspect any big-endian machine with the lrand48() function (which is used in key generation on Solaris/HP-UX; it's disguised in unssl.c as the macro mklcpr()) will be the same. Other Unix flavours should require only minor changes. I'm still interested in what Windoze clients do (other than lose). - Ian "So how _did_ Netscape's stock do today?"

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Re: Encryption algorithms used in PrivaSoft (fwd)
by lmccarth＠cs.umass.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Confirming suspicions that PrivaSoft is a security-through-obscurity outfit: > From: David Clavadetscher <clav(a)deltanet.com> > Subject: Re: Encryption algorithms used in PrivaSoft > > Dear L., > > At this time our crypto engine is patented and proprietary. If you tell me > the intent of your interest I will see what other information we can provide > to you. Call me if you like. [...]

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Re: [NOISE] Unabomber - crypto-anarchist?!?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My almost-namesake Sherry Mayo wrote: >Found this quote from the Electronic Telegraph, the online version of >a UK daily newspaper. (world news section, Weds 20th Sept) >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et/access?ac=116192744309&pg=//95/9/20/wunab20.h… > >"Editors forced to print manifesto of Unabomber > >By Charles Laurence in New York > >...The heart of his argument is that industrial society has led to ways of >life for which people are fundamentally unsuited. He calls for a >crypto-anarchic revolution and a new order based on small, village-style >units." >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Uh? Crypto-anarchic? Surely he's not one of ours? ;-) ;-) ;-) I've read a good chunks of FR's work at http://www.ai.mit.edu/misc/unabomber and have to say he is making some very interesting and incisive arguments, not all of which I disagree with. But I also searched the text for mention of "crypto" and only came up with the fairly standard usage of "crypto leftist." My assumption then is that the meme of crypto anarchy has spread to the writer at that UK newspaper (I wonder if Brian Arthur has been talking to them?) and that he interpret's FR's screed in terms of crypto anarchy? Still, his writing style and some of his points seem close enough to some of my own points, not to mention his Northern California nexus and estimated age, that I'm expecting more inquiries (I deflected one already). After the call from the Sheriff's office about my alleged activities, I wonder.... --Tim May ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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MacRandoms
by W. Kinney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

OK, to get my implementation of Colin's randpool code for the Macintosh, ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/randomness/MacRandoms.sea.hqx As a bonus, this also includes a nice 68K assembler implementation of MD5. Enjoy. -- Will

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Re: Is Diana News?
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim May wrote: > There have been a bunch of messages about this. Some satirical, some > serious. I've avoided any comment (so far as I remember). > But is it news? > I think so. > Not necessarily for Cypherpunks.... > This story involves many interesting issues--freedom of speech, > rights of privacy, the accomplishments of Diana, the issue Toto > raised that Diana is surely a better role model than Diane > (Feinstein), the monarchy, the boycott of tabloids, etc. I would go farther than Tim on this one. We Cypherpunks should concern ourselves with the means traditionally and currently used to maintain social order. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNBDBdZaWtjSmRH/5AQFAyAf7BiWyU/BzDkRJoAZL+S98szVEXsFVss2Q qimTXmUnWfVlkEu+4NSOmRNxFsb/DkyI3drRPw0RSyBRsw56tkXpQVccQ24yTEsD Db2CwObWm7lEKwiogQ05a+ywRfLnFKBm3ZARuQXT+dj5Zm/erjxJlRIHj8fxJDZY VmYfJFT0B+cSjjruAQMdP0hgR5ZJPKo9o2NcRUJUDoiCoLBbqP1gk5brJgFfOwiv KhcOaAjEMuk2W9RIMKr8gwr62zEA399CpVleVyiK7EWyEiMRQQluCYlqzP4B4M6c +HmSIx+lhPPsSrsFtSdXbfI8cbHDNC414n7hXcXoqK7E8p4l/BsQ0Q== =Lzw0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Cypherpunks Press release
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:28 PM 9/20/95, Dietrich J. Kappe wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >We've seen the word "hacker" kicked around rather arbitrarily in the press. >Are we to conclude that the cypherpunks are a bunch of hackers? I think its >time for some cypherpunks spin. How about a logo *and* a press release? The >press release would give contacts (email, phone, etc.) so that someone on >this list would be contacted by journalists when a crypto story breaks. > >If we get enough volunteers, we can fax blanket every newspaper, station, >and network in the world. I was of course being facetious about the putative "Cypherpunks logo." Sorry I did not insert smileys. The problem with the "Cypherpunks press release" notion is this: -- we are an effective anarchy. -- there is no "spokespunk" and no foreseeable way of choosing one. Some people seem to _want_ some kind of central contact organization or point, some place to lobby, buy advertising, send faxes, give press conferences, etc. But I don't see it happening. Individuals and their organizations are free of course to do as they wish, but if they claim to speak for "the Cypherpunks," they'll be out of line. We are not a direct democracy, nor even are we a representative democracy. No board of directors, etc. While this undeniably affects how "messages" get out, that's life. There are plenty of organizations with Washington offices, and with spokesmen available for comment. But they don't have what we have. --Tim May ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: RSA Prevails In Arbitration Against Cylink
by Erik E. Fair 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is there electronic copy of the Arbitration Panel's precise ruling available? No quicker way to end the PR confusion than to read the Real Thing(tm). Erik

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Excerpts from Cdn-Firearms Digest V1 #978
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 5 Sep 97 at 19:07, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: ------ Forwarded message --------- Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:07:19 -0600 From: Karl Schrader <schraderkg(a)intranet.ca> Subject: Bill C-95 Re.: recent amendment to Criminal Code, Bill C-95 -------------------------------------------------------------- Did any legal expert analyse the recent amendment to the Criminal Code regarding the mere membership in an organization consisting of more than 5 people which imposes a penalty in prison from 5 to 14 years if any mischief is even mentioned? This amendment is aimed at the biker gangs, however, the way it is worded, it can be applied to any group, be they environmenta- lists, unionists, recreational firearms owners, birdwatchers or even stampcollectors where the mere mentioning of mischief is ground enough to face 5-14 years in jail. This development here in Canada is truly frightening and is remi- niscent of a movie called "Judgement at Nuremburg" with Spencer Tracey and Burt Lancaster, where Burt Lancaster played a German Judge under Hitler, who applied all kinds of laws, created by the Nazis, which were clearly against common sense and human values and utterly repressive. These laws were pushed through the German puppet parliament by the then party in power. We are all aware of what happened in the end to this regime. Several thousand Canadians, however, had to make the supreme sacrifice to eliminate this evil and now it rears it's ugly head here in Canada . This amendment was the subject of a radio interview this morning with a defence lawyer on CBC 2. The lawyer was utterly shocked at what can be done with this legislation and strongly expected a charter challenge. Unfortunately this will require again enormous amounts of funds to be wasted in a completely unproductive and wasteful manner. Why are we constantly running up against laws which have to be challenged ? Why can the new laws not be drafted in a way that they are charterproof ? Just imagine if we did not even have the Charter. The people who are drafting the laws and are getting paid good salaries can not all be idiots ? And what about the parliamentarians who pass these laws ? One does not need a gun to destroy a human life, all that is needed is a repressive law. Let someone with a criminal record just try to get a job when he comes out of jail. "" If it saves only one life !" (Wendy C.....) FOCUS: If 97% of Canadians are being pushed around by 3%, there is something seriously wrong !! -- Jean-Francois Avon, Pierrefonds(Montreal) QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Finest of Limoges porcelain and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants physicists and engineers, LabView programing. PGP encryption keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 ID# 5B51964D : 152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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Announce: Private Idaho beta release
by Joel McNamara 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've finally gotten some time to incorporate a few new features/bug fixes into Private Idaho (Windows remailer/PGP front-end). The 2.5b4 release now incorporates an easy interface to the alpha.c2.org nym server. Also, simple scripting is available for moving messages to e-mail apps that don't support sequential header tabbing (Free Agent, Netscape, etc.). The next available block of time will likely be devoted to incorporating background POP3 scanning and downloading of PGP messages. http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm - for your downloading please... Joel McNamara joelm(a)eskimo.com - http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm for PGP Thomas Jefferson used strong crypto, shouldn't you?

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It's Now or Never
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> 5 September 1997, MSNBC: > FBI Director Louis Freeh floats a new proposal at a congressional > hearing to outlaw non-breakable crypto products. We have already been declared 'Future Outlaws' by one of the major figureheads of the secret government. I am not waiting until 1999 to 'officially' become an outlaw. I am starting today. If we have learned but one from our journey to this point in time, it should be that by the time it's 'official', it's too late... TheLastCanadianOutlaw

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Cypherpunks Press release
by goedel＠tezcat.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We've seen the word "hacker" kicked around rather arbitrarily in the press. Are we to conclude that the cypherpunks are a bunch of hackers? I think its time for some cypherpunks spin. How about a logo *and* a press release? The press release would give contacts (email, phone, etc.) so that someone on this list would be contacted by journalists when a crypto story breaks. If we get enough volunteers, we can fax blanket every newspaper, station, and network in the world. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBgAwUBMGBA2XIf3YegbdiBAQG0RQJXdWG0beFoFEk6BfEkhIDYxB6NsbSSIGWe Nzob7W7Gd/YyRqsVhU5T8jQEpD6sNLwTP+4SypSC9Mk8EauKAvklHkkfGr53scQh 5Tzp =Fxdn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Dietrich Kappe | Red Planet http://www.redweb.com Red Planet, LLC| "Chess Space" | "MS Access Products" | PGP Public Key 1-800-RED 0 WEB| /chess | /cobre | /goedel/key.txt Web Publishing | Key fingerprint: 8C2983E66AB723F9 A014A0417D268B84

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Democracy is the true enemy, and anarchists fight the true enemy
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:42 AM -0700 9/6/97, jf_avon(a)citenet.net wrote: >On 5 Sep 97 at 19:07, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: >------ Forwarded message --------- >Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:07:19 -0600 >From: Karl Schrader <schraderkg(a)intranet.ca> >Subject: Bill C-95 > >Re.: recent amendment to Criminal Code, Bill C-95 >-------------------------------------------------------------- >Did any legal expert analyse the recent amendment to the >Criminal Code regarding the mere membership in an organization >consisting of more than 5 people which imposes a penalty in prison >from 5 to 14 years if any mischief is even mentioned? > >This amendment is aimed at the biker gangs, however, the way it >is worded, it can be applied to any group, be they environmenta- >lists, unionists, recreational firearms owners, birdwatchers or even >stampcollectors where the mere mentioning of mischief is ground >enough to face 5-14 years in jail. The United States does not yet have anything quite this repugnant, though I'm sure Janet Reno, Louis Freeh, and William Clinton are working on a draft of a bill to do something similar. The Anti-Terrorism Act of 1995, though apparently not being used in any significant way (yet), would have done some of the same sorts of things. If an organization was declared to be a terrorist-supporting organization, various sanctions would have applied to those who contributed money or certain other types of aid to such organizations. As others have noted, the Bureau of Thought Crimes has not yet issued a list of which organizations are considered terrorist. (One of my fondest hopes is that the Cypherpunks group makes this list. I'm hoping that enough support of various types provided to freedom fighters in the ZOG sections of Palestine will get us on this list. I'm itching for a confrontation with the jack-booted thugs, as you may know.) >FOCUS: If 97% of Canadians are being pushed around by 3%, > there is something seriously wrong !! Be very, very, very careful of this sort of "democracy" emphasis, as it is quite likely that the "majority of the sheeple" support the disarming of Canadian citizens and the crackdown on "gangs and other scum organizations" by the Mounties. Never place any faith in democracy. The sheeple will eventually vote to have their liberties taken away for their own good. Espeically the liberties of others. Democracy is the true enemy. Anarchists fight the true enemy. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Democracy is the true enemy, and anarchists fight the true enemy (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:53:57 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Democracy is the true enemy, and anarchists fight the true enemy > Democracy is the true enemy. Anarchists fight the true enemy. Oh pooh. Spare us the spin doctor diatribe... Anarchist are interested in protecting only their own person and possessions over and above all other factors. Furthermore, it in no way protects from oppression at the individual or social level. The only thing it does is guarantee that I will have to spend a great deal of my income on protection, most folks have something better to do with their time than participate in a system that believes the height of personal achievment is to sit around and stroke your gun looking for trespassers on their property. Try explaining how an anarchy is going to better protect my right to free speech or the economic and social stability required to carry on a business? Democracy <> Mob Rule Something you just don't seem to get. A good measure of the oppressive level in a given government is to examine who owns property versus who manages it. Type: Owner: Manager: Communism Govt. Govt. Fascist Indiv. Govt. Democracy Indiv. <> Shared Indiv. <> Shared Anarchy N/A N/A Changes in this relationship seem to be a good measure. For example consider the level of change in ownership rights before and after the changes in the confiscation laws. If one thinks of speech as a commodity this also holds. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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New Contact Info... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sat Sep 6 13:51:44 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199709061851.NAA23913(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: New Contact Info... To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:51:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2924 "Reality is observer dependant" \ \ \\///// | | (.) (.) ===========================oOO==(_)==OOo========================== James Choate Tivoli Systems, Inc. The Armadillo Group Senior Support Engineer SOHO - Internet - Technology 9442 Capitol of Texas Highway North 608 E. 48th. Suite 500 Austin, TX 78751 Austin, TX 78759 Email: jchoate(a)tivoli.com Email: ravage(a)ssz.com Phone: 512-436-8893 Phone: 512-451-7087 Fax: 512-345-2784 Fax: n/a WWW: www.tivoli.com WWW: www.ssz.com Modem: n/a Modem: 512-451-7009 Pager: 888-902-7999 Pager: n/a Cellular: n/a Cellular: n/a =================================================================== Political ideal: The Constitution says "Congress shall make no law..." & What happened to the 9th & 10th Amendments? Philosophy: Pantheism - the belief that everything is divine, that God is not seperate but totaly identified with the cosmos, and that God does not possess personality or transcendence. Favorite Cartoon - Danger Mouse & Mighty Mouse (the original) =================================================================== The end of our exploring will be to arrive at where we started, and to know the place for the first time. T.S. Eliot =================================================================== Adopt, adapt, improvise! Anonymous =================================================================== For a succesful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. Richard Feynman =================================================================== Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question. Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural Addr

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MD5 in Eudora
by Andrew.Spring＠ping.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just poking around in Eudora for the Mac with ResEdit, and I found a CODE resource labelled MD5. Any idea why Eudora is using MD5 hashes?

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Re: Linking = Showing = Transferring?
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Another even more subtle problem is inline images, can you say that a >page with an inline image sourced from a foreign site must obey the >foreign jurisdiction. I would assert this is so, because the web >surfer's *browser* imports the relevant parts of the page from >whatever locations (and jurisdictions) they are in, and displays them >as one page. Inline images are not references -- they are part of the page being retrieved. > <img src="http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/obscura/rsa.gif"> >So that the image is *imported* by the *viewer*, and not supplied by >www.obscura. Inlined images are just a convenient way of chunking. The image is imported by the viewer because the server, as part of the base document, told it to do so. You might be able to fool an ignorant court, but it still doesn't change the fact that Lance has a document that in the natural course of operation of the Web, exports crypto. I would advise him to edit the page so it reads Click <A HREF="http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/obscura/rsa.gif">here to see a picture of the shirt. Heck, the very word, "inline" gives it away. /r$

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Munitions shirt (again)
by Ian Goldberg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So, Dave and I got free munitions shirts (they're different, though; the font is smaller and they have a bunch of X'd out Constitutional Amendments on the back; I think they ere designed by Joel Furr) for our bug find. So I'm wearing it today. The thing is, I live in International House, a residence that has 50% non-Americans. So, any consensus as to whether it's actually illegal to do so? I remember some disagreement a few weeks ago that AFAIK wasn't resolved. As far as I can tell, it's _technically_ illegal, but any LEO would be out of his mind to try to enforce it (it would have to be a Fed, too, wouldn't it? Or can regular city cops get you for violating export restrictions?). - Ian

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Re: Big Brother is watching you watch Farenheit 451
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:56 PM 9/5/97 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: > ... >BTW, the last copy of F451 I saw really irked me - the cover had >explanatory notes like "Fahrenheit 451, the temperature that books burn!" >and stuff about firemen whose job is setting fires. >Are today's kids dumbing down, or less literate, or is it just enough >longer since the book was written that publishers need to try harder to >get people to read it? A varient on the third and the first. The people now see this and say "so what?, the school boards decision to get rid of Mark Twain is over a year old." They see the simple title and don't see the same high octane comments that they see on movie posters. "burn, and fire" probably selling at least 5% more books. That and even though they realize that a lot of it is old news to them. It happened within thier lifetime without thier realizing it. Everyone, please send a recomendation to your senators and representatives to please at least watch the movie variations of Farenheit 451 and 1984. The fact that so much of what was depicted in these books was once fiction should be noted and expressed. If teenagers were informed that there was full-frontal-nudity in the 1984 movie, they might even be convinced to watch it. I didn't see the Farenheit 451 movie, I read the book, I saw part of the opening, saw one inconsistancy, (teacher where the neighbor was a student), turned the PBS station off and went to bed. So, I really don't know if there is any good stuff there. (Does the owner of the bible burn on screen? Does the stand in for Guy Montag get killed on camera by the electric hound? Does Guy Montag roast the fire chief alive, and do we get to see the flames? Etc.)

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