December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
by Andrew.Spring＠ping.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>ranked as a mobster subject to RICO. My guess is that the intent is that >from one placement on an FTP server or one posting to a newsgroup, the >perpetrator of that heinous act will have passed his RICO qualification and >therefore be subject to having all he owns taken from him. RICO question: i thought that the idea of RICO is to confiscate assets of racketeers that are derived from criminal activities. PGP and remailer software is distributed free. so would RICO seizures even apply (yes I know this doesnt' always stop the FBI)? -- Thank you VERY much! You'll be getting a Handsome Simulfax Copy of your OWN words in the mail soon (and My Reply). <Andrew.Spring(a)ping.be> PGP Print: 0529 C9AF 613E 9E49 378E 54CD E232 DF96 Thank you for question, exit left to Funway.

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FAM_15\"
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

7-16-95. NYPaper: "New Concerns Raised Over a Computer Smut Study. 'They wanted to be famous.' It worked." Growing controversy over a widely publicized study of on-line computer pornography, conducted by a researcher at Carnegie Mellon University, has prompted the university to investigate whether the research violated ethical or academic guidelines. The investigation follows the disclosure by angry faculty members that an undergraduate student and his principal faculty adviser at Carnegie Mellon spied on the private computer habits of nearly 3,000 students, staff members and other faculty members last year as part of the research study into pornography viewing habits. KEY_hol "Documents Were Destroyed as F.B.I. Resisted Seige Investigation. Hints of a cover-up: more embarrassment over a fatal confrontation." A Justice Department report not yet made public on the F.B.I.'s standoff with a white separatist in Idaho shows that in late 1992 and early 1993 F.B.I. managers were frantically trying to block Federal prosecutors from obtaining the Bureau's records on the case. Justice Department investigators, who uncovered the document destruction, have found that a career F.B.I. official stripped the files of official records that would have clearly shown if top F.B.I. officials in Washington were in command of the operation. FOL_hah Siamese: FAM_15"

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G0D_dim
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

7-16-95. NYPaper: "The Spies' Code and How It Broke. The Russians had a problem: it's almost impossible to be perfectly random. The Russians suffered from a lapse in quality control. They inadvertently let some pattern find its way into their scrambled codes, a loose thread that allowed American code breakers to unravel the scheme. "Given a pure, perfect one-time system, you're not going to break it," said David Kahn, visiting historian at the N.S.A.'s Center for Cryptologic History. RAN_dum "Twilight of the Nukes. The post-war years were spent hoarding nuclear weapons. Now it's time to put them away." Since that first nuclear test the United States has built 70,000 nuclear weapons of almost every conceivable kind: warheads, artillery shells, land mines, depth charges and even backpack-style plutonium explosives weighing 58 pounds but equivalent to 10 tons of TNT. But now it is the twilight of the nukes. They are being taken apart by the United States and the Soviet Union at the rate of 10 or 12 a day, and the new problem is how to keep track them of all. TWI_god >1: G0D_dim

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Stego Standards Silly ? (
by monty.harder＠famend.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

LM> The standard answer to agent-in-the-middle tampering is of LM> course digital signatures. Now, the question is, will we be allowed to sign LM> our possibly-stego-enclosing GIFs with reasonable confidence that the govt. LM> can't forge our signatures ? Obviously the signature itself can't be LM> stegoed, or else we fall into an infinite regress. Not obvious at all. You encrypt and sign as usual, stego the resultant output, and perhaps include in the stego routines some kind of CRC or hash if you like. But the point is that the signature still works to indicate whether the message was tampered with or not. If we posit a MITM, he can tamper with cyphertext =or= stegotext, but he can't defeat the signature. I would recieve a GIF which my stego software would turn into a file that PGP would puke on, telling me that Someone Is Messing With My Mail. I would not, of course, be able to reveal this fact directly. However, I could ask my correspondent to re-send the GIF, and when it comes out different in EVERY SINGLE LSB, I have proof of tampering. * Support legislation for a waiting period on taglines....... --- * Monster(a)FAmend.Com *

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DOJ Press Release, S. 974?
by monty.harder＠famend.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

JY> According to the Computer Emergency Response Team at JY> Carnegie Mellon University, during the past four years, the JY> number of reported intrusions on the Internet has increased In the wake of the Rimm Job, any study from CMU is suspect. * Bad Borg, Bad Borg: Whatcha gon' do? Whatcha gon' do when they 'simlate you? --- * Monster(a)FAmend.Com *

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Root Causes
by monty.harder＠famend.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DK> It would seem that things such as the CDA, etc, are patent violations of the DK> Bill of Rights. As such, wouldn't the Congressrodent(s) proposing such DK> measures be violating our civil rights, and thus be criminally liable? Congressional Immunity. DK> IANAL, of course, so I'll leave it up to those on the list who are to IANAL, either. But I have a thought, myself: [Please do not start an abortion flamefest on the list. If you want to argue it via Imail, I can handle that, but let's not bother the rest of the class, OK?] The Supremes found the right to have an abortion in some kind of "penumbral" right to <BOLD> privacy </BOLD>, which in turn came from Griswold v. Connecticut, if organic RAM serves. Given this precedent, may we challenge anti-crypto crap such as the Grassley Bill as a violation of the right to privacy? * Recursion: See "recursion". --- * Monster(a)FAmend.Com *

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Re: Free The World Web Server project.. :)
by monty.harder＠famend.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DM> however, would be unobtrusive. A web page that mails a form letter to DM> _your_ congressperson's form-letter-readers (ie staff readers) would be DM> much better, IMHO. Expecially if the form letter generated would be randomly selected from parallel word streams. For example: Dear Senator <#SENATOR>: I am <concerned|alarmed|frightened> by the <attacks on privacy rights in|glaring First Amendment violations in|fascist mentality of|ominous provisions of|potential for civil rights infringement by> SB <#BILLNO> <introduced recently| proposed|offered> by Senator <#ORIGINATOR>..... You get the idea. Anyone who has read MAD Magazine could put such together. As an added bonus, use variable margin settings, and none of the letters would be exactly the same. Appropriate Imail => FAX software on a puter in DC (local call that way) with the phone number of the sender filled in on the top line for ID (izzat legal?) so it doesn't look like a form letter at all. The web page would generate a random letter, allow the user to edit it, further (possibly offering the alternate phrases) before he clicks on the [Send] button. * Len Buckholtz of Borg: LB> Quoting is irrelevant. --- * Monster(a)FAmend.Com *

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Ack! It's not my fault!
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Before anybody flames me too bad, I want to poitn out that I only posted the PineSign script ONCE. I don't know why it showed up multiple times. Most weird. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP Signed with PineSign 1.0 iQCVAwUBMAk9cDokqlyVGmCFAQFNaAQAvELOLo9wazD7Tfyl/fyg3Z4wLxdJCXSt +O61LYzqlzx45+Y7AG3KNiW3GgZFSnJkaUT+dfSpNs7p0M24ruTGYRxnPE0r0+Nk TrUkPCG4o3YR/azpxq/PzVp2TiOaRL3SyEaSHvNGrSj6nVGLYuosYckylzRpJp/S WkCcAUqlKg4= =zbEG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ____ Robert A. Hayden <=> Cthulhu Matata \ /__ -=-=-=-=- <=> -=-=-=-=- \/ / Finger for Geek Code Info <=> hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu \/ Finger for PGP Public Key <=> http://att2.cs.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden

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RICO and Asset Forfeitures
by tcmay＠sensemedia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:59 PM 7/16/95, Andrew Spring wrote: >>ranked as a mobster subject to RICO. My guess is that the intent is that >>from one placement on an FTP server or one posting to a newsgroup, the >>perpetrator of that heinous act will have passed his RICO qualification and >>therefore be subject to having all he owns taken from him. > >RICO question: i thought that the idea of RICO is to confiscate assets of >racketeers that are derived from criminal activities. PGP and remailer >software is distributed free. so would RICO seizures even apply (yes I >know this doesnt' always stop the FBI)? As I understand RICO (Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, though the euphonious "Rico," a la South American drug kingpins, is the real reason for the name), only the assets imputed to the illegal act can be seized. Thus, boats, factories, houses, etc., that are imputed (believed, claimed) to have been bought partially or wholly from funds from illegal acts can be seized. Civil penalties are another matter. If you're charged with distributing something illegal and a fine of $250,000 is levied, then you may have to sell everything you own to pay it, but it's not a RICO seizure. --Tim May .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-728-0152 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Corralitos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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ecm list
by lethin＠ai.mit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It may be necessary to remove the ECM mailing list from the MIT computers (no big surprise here). The issue isn't the overwhelming traffic volume on the list; rather, the concern that it might violate some MIT regulation. If anyone wants to take it on, please contact me ASAP. Thanks, Rich

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Re: unix, vanguard
by anonymous-remailer＠shell.portal.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>If you want to do something like Raph's remailer list, would you rather >implement it on a pc running windows or with a perl script on a unix >box? Not to prolong this argument, which hopefully won't turn into a lengthy OS debate, but this argument boils down to the "users vs. developers" situation. Sure, remailers and remailer lists are better implemented under unix, and there may be as many as what, 50 people (developers) in the world interested in doing this? On the other hand, several times that number of users will access the information and actually give it value; they (users) don't need unix at all. Maybe I'm a market share bigot, but to me, if you want to spread crypto to the masses, you have to do it with tools that run on the platforms the masses use. Who knows, perhaps in the future we'll see that the tools, programs, and front ends run on more popular operating systems, and the relatively fewer servers and scripts run on unix. -- Karl L. Barrus <klbarrus(a)infocom.net>

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Re: Fight, or Roll Over?
by jgrubs＠voxbox.norden1.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)imsi.com> writes: > > What we can do, however, is to shape the culture of the net. That > > culture will have to eventually be listened to by DC. > > The beltway crowd doesn't log in. They ignored the petitions sent to > Leahy for S.314 because they didn't think of the people who sent the > petitions in as "real". I doubt they will understand the net for many > years to come, whereas we have to stall out the NSA and company now. We need to use e-mail/fax gateways that strip much of the e-mail headers. For some reason, fax has become so ubiquitous in U.S. businesses (including Congress) that it has become "mainstream" and creditable. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: http://norden1.com/~jim/sylvania.html iQCVAwUBMAlVVt74r4kaz3mVAQFbRQP/dUY0tqbis9Up7sVDt6ydCpO93ZMhtSbd nUHtXd3+FCf7Phur7w8YMMY5I/VoMCpk9NLu7j9aeYMDtyWupj+Lj9d+wlFhuWHb bSRr7Y6xvqnbY1mHME0wgRx4FIDinudgG+n/XetaVlQHqQ68YrYsRcCmvt22j0eL ovPoF92ECyc= =k7LM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- WebCasters(tm) James C. Grubs jgrubs(a)voxbox.norden1.com 6817 Maplewood Avenue Tel.: 419-885-2697 Sylvania, Oh 43560 Fax: 419-885-2814 Internet consulting, HTML programing, Information brokering

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Re: Root Causes
by liberty＠gate.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- <snip> PLEASE NOTE: IANAL either [yet] But, MONTY HARDER wrote: > [Please do not start an abortion flamefest on the list. If you want > to argue it via Imail, I can handle that, but let's not bother the > rest of the class, OK?] I agree, and this post has nothing to do with that controversy [I hope]. > > The Supremes found the right to have an abortion in some kind of >"penumbral" right to <BOLD> privacy </BOLD>, which in turn came from >Griswold v. Connecticut, if organic RAM serves. Given this precedent, >may we challenge anti-crypto crap such as the Grassley Bill as a >violation of the right to privacy? Good idea, but I have an idea to upset even *more* people. First of all, has anyone else noticed how the Republicans have placed life-and-death emphasis lately on the oft-ignored 10th Amendment. Amendment X -- "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." IMO, the Republicans will continue to do this as long as they can win the overwhelming majority of governorships, which is for the foreseeable future. Democrats, of course, don't like this and prefer unconstrained federal power [preferably in the hands of someone other than Newt, though]. There is, however, another Amendment which goes beyond being oft-ignored to the status of being truly forgotten, without ever having been repealed. Amendment IX -- "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." [The right to write code was among many rights NOT enumerated.] Republicans AND Democrats ALL HATE the 9th Amendment, which is the primary reason *I* like it so much. Various lawyers, judges, and [especially] law professors will sputter that the 9th is "impertinent!" or "irrelevant!" and should be ignored, and Jim Ray is just spouting off [again] about the slow erosion of freedom in this country. My rejoinder is "OK, if we're supposed to ignore it, why not just REPEAL it, after all, it's just sitting there doing nothing, cluttering up the rest of the Bill of Rights." Usually, conversation [and, I suspect, my eventual grade] degenerates at this point. Those C-punks not in law school, however, should keep the 9th in mind when talking about Constitutional issues on encryption rights, if for no other reason than to educate the public. In court, of course, I would concentrate on the 1st. Apologies to the various lurking law professors on the list, I am not talking about you. Also, this diatribe is mere academic speculation and not a legal opinion and IANAL and I have been known to be wrong in the past and I no-doubt will be wrong again in the future and most people in the legal profession think this is wrong so don't rely on it and your lawyer will think you are crazy if you say this to him (so don't) and so on and so on... JMR > > <snip> Regards, Jim Ray "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." Voltaire - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PGP key Fingerprint 51 5D A2 C3 92 2C 56 BE 53 2D 9C A1 B3 50 C9 C8 Key id. # E9BD6D35 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Support the Phil Zimmermann (Author of PGP) Legal Defense Fund! email: zldf(a)clark.net or visit http://www.netresponse.com/zldf ________________________________________________________________________ - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBMAlYGCoZzwIn1bdtAQFAvAF/U/0u/BjNThGjDeeOsv5CujcJcFBKf5Hx +SsUFAwYyD5I5DWosWA0iTZesc/DO3UR =bAZm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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A Chronology on crypto bans
by banisar＠epic.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone asked why is there such a flurry recently on banning crypto in recent months. This is not a recent issue. There have been almost non-stop attempts for the last 15 years. I've been finishing up this chapter in the book Bruce Schneier and I are writing on crypto battles. Every so often a new FOIA document floats in from some request I made 3-4 years ago hat makes me have to revise it again. Here s a small chronology based on the chapter. ------ Attempts to ban encprytion 1977-1995 1977-1980 NSA Director Inman calls crypto born secret. Should be restricted. Attempts to use Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 to patent inventions by academic researchers. Attempts to use export control laws to limit scientific discussion. NSA Threates NSF over grants for crypto studies. 1981 American Council on Education committee recommends voluntary submissions of cryto papers to NSA 1984 National Security Decision Directive 145. Gave NSA authority over all govt crypto and computer security development. 1986 NSTISSP. Attempted to extend NSDD-145 to private sector. USe to justify visits to LEXIS/NEXIS, Dialog, public libraries etc. 1987 Congress passes Computer Security Act. Gives crypto authority to NIST. 1989 NIST signs MOU with NSA giving back authority to NSA. NIST starts development of new public key system to do both signatures and key exchange. 1990 After pressure by NSA. NIST adopts El Gamal for signatures only. NSA secreatly designs "algorithm on a chip" for key exchange. FBI, NSA and NIST also begin "National Cryptgraphic Review". 1991 FBI asks Senator Joseph Biden to introduce "Sense of Congress" to recommend backdoors in all encpryption, telephone systems. Provision removed after public outcry. Later evolves into digital telephony proposal. October 1991, NSA, FBI, CIA meet to discuss possible legislation on encryption. 1992 NIST memo - "FBI working on draft legislation to control and liscense all cryptography" 1993 Clipper Proposal introduced. Interagency working group formed by Presidential Review Directive 27. According to NSA memo on IWG "FBI proposed legislation to authorize the FCC to regulate common carriers, PBX operators, and manufacturers of encryption devices available for use in the US to ensure such systems and devices are compatable with law enforcement electronic surveillance interests....the interagency working group revied proposed legislation and concluded that ....legislation to authorize regulation of encryption product manufacturers would be considerably more difficult [than passing the digital telephone proposal] and required further study." 6 options were discussed including prohobiting all other encprytion besides Clipper. The other five have been classified "top secret". -------- Dave David Banisar (Banisar(a)epic.org) * 202-544-9240 (tel) Electronic Privacy Information Center * 202-547-5482 (fax) 666 Pennsylvania Ave, SE, Suite 301 * ftp/gopher/wais cpsr.org Washington, DC 20003 * HTTP://epic.digicash.com/epic

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"Just write code"
by an250888＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Just write code. For whatever platform you like writing code for. And while you're at it, make it as platform-independent as possible. Porting to another platform or system involves writing code, no? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help(a)anon.penet.fi. If you reply to this message, your message WILL be *automatically* anonymized and you are allocated an anon id. Read the help file to prevent this. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin(a)anon.penet.fi.

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Re: Mods to Dining Cryptographers: legal questions...
by pcw＠access.digex.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I'm sorry if I was a little mysterious about my reference to >another use or mode of a DC-net; I'd _love_ to tell the rest of >you flat-out, and put the idea in the public domain, but I'm >not sure I _CAN_. > You should investigate an idea known as the provisional patent that is relatively new to the United States. They're supposedly shorter and designed to give you some claim to the ideas as well as some time to develop them enough to file a real patent. I can't give you any other advice except to tell you that my patent agent is also curious about them because they're new. -Peter

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Esther Dyson in NYT
by dshayer＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Todays (sunday 7-16-95) NYT Magazine has an excellent (IMHO) article by Esther Dyson on why the government should not regulate the net. Its not written for techies like us, its written for normal non-wired people, like our parents and our senators. The article is clear, easy to follow, makes it points well, and refrains from overused analogies about highways and roadkill. So next time you're at a loss for words arguing with some clueless offline luser about why porn and pedophiles really aren't rampant all over the net, show them this article. David +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |David Shayer dshayer(a)netcom.com | |Sentient Software / Symantec | |"Spam is not a verb." | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Mods to Dining Cryptographers: legal questions...
by monty.harder＠famend.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PF> spend on software patents. I don't, and don't mean to say that _he_ PF> goes around stealing ideas from other people and patenting them.) PF> PF> How do I do this and protect myself from the people who do have the PF> money to go through the intellectual property courthouse game? IANAL, but... Create a detatched signature certificate of your idea, and post =that= here. Get some of us to sign it I, _______, a resident of _______ County, __________, do hereby attest that I recieved the above certificate on _____ ___,1995. [plaintext for non-crypto-aware folks] and email to you. Also, make two hard copies, including hard copies of our notarizations you recieve back . Put one of them in an envelope with a 3.5" floppy of everything, and address the =back= to yourself. Go into the post office, and ask the clerk to hand-cancel the envelope, so that the cancellation goes half across the flap and the rest on the envelope. When you get this from yourself in the mail, you put it in your safety- deposit box or equivalent. This way, when you open the envelope in the presence of the Judge/Jury you have the word of the US Postal Service that you had X idea on Y date, not to mention the corroborrating e-signatures. If Z were to claim authorship, you could ask Z to prove it by forging your signature on another document. This could go a long way toward proving the value of PGP signature to the Unwashed Masses, =and= illustrate the danger of GACK + corrupt gummit agent (in the light of the Ruby Ridge and Waco hearings, people will be =quite= sensitive to the fact that agents can and do abuse their power). In fact, the ability for us to be able to attest to your possession of Document X on Date Y, without any of us ever seeing X itself, is one of the most powerful uses of digital signatures. I can see Phil Z. being called as an expert witness, to establish the mechanism involved. Joe Sixpack needs to hear Dan Blather mention this on the Evening News. OK, not Blather, but Koppel would do it. Maybe even John Stossel on 20/20. This is what we need to be pushing to the Luddite crowd: The very new technology that frightens them, because they percieve it as out of their control, brings with it new means for people to take control. Even if you lost your case on some other grounds, it would be one of the best PR bits for PGP I can think of. * Don't say "Gun Control", it's "Victim Disarmament". --- * Monster(a)FAmend.Com *

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PGP FAQ
by ENRIQUE S. IGNARRA 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could someone here politely send me some email on where i could get an updated PGP FAQ? I have an old one for v2.3a. I'd like to get an updated one. But where the old one says to go, the directory no longer exists. Thanks! Enrique s0496872(a)dominic.barry.edu

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Re: Root Causes
by jgrubs＠voxbox.norden1.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- liberty(a)gate.net (Jim Ray) writes: > Amendment IX -- "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights > shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." > > [The right to write code was among many rights NOT enumerated.] > Most importantly, it includes the right to decide what the other unenumerated rights are..... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: http://norden1.com/~jim/sylvania.html iQCVAwUBMAm//N74r4kaz3mVAQHMJAP/RTmdhZc63J6XzL8FfKK6wk9RrXgcOZ4c kZHGqYzOo0ZJKbmsugOwEjerpGsbeIUu3SzM+vrVA+BaWHLaufELSmh7AQW4/FcY XyKv3Zu/JBBxEca+H0qbix/q433c+2r2iKJ1p8p1c8jgK/L+c66cJiTgWGMt2vPZ XBBMaYAOIUg= =DQyv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- WebCasters(tm) James C. Grubs jgrubs(a)voxbox.norden1.com 6817 Maplewood Avenue Tel.: 419-882-2697 Sylvania, Oh 43560 Fax: 419-885-2814 Internet consulting, HTML programing, Information brokering

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Mixmaster@obscura.com back with new keys.
by loki＠obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mixmaster(a)obscura.com is back. Obscura crashed last weekend, taking all data with it. The remailer is running again but the secret keys were lost. This remailer is running Mixmaster 2.0.1 and the latest Ghio type1 remailer for cypherpunk messages. Here is the mixmaster key: mix mixmaster(a)obscura.com db91418edac3a4d7329feaee0b79c74f 2.0.1 -----Begin Mix Key----- db91418edac3a4d7329feaee0b79c74f 258 AATL25WGQY5CMM0/xBjYtuN6IT75h+aBQwwKqZZc isOrqdsl8HWAzARrB0iAtcr34c2qqPBzSRNa5UE8 d3jOYu/wp9K9M5abUSRogcDl7gkPlqxc+e72SdKd 2Gdgib8VDGVLpJdaPk4uSY/pkmsYB30OaQH3W8dU PPciTvSJKAYcTQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAB -----End Mix Key----- and here is the pgp key: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQBtAzAGIaQAAAEDAJpPdFihCI1Cfpc8njkqOSma/GVvS5nodpTnnff3B3RuZWJN bEvxC3s8TATo6f5JdXqOkZBXQCK+aHke4LKw+MGNNXBYeWH60NZ0IihVThHeyYqL f4ZQNJHlMlFfDrQEgQAFEbQqTWl4bWFzdGVyIFJlbWFpbGVyIDxtaXhtYXN0ZXJA b2JzY3VyYS5jb20+iQEVAwUQMAnzn/Pzr81BVjMVAQEzRQgAk3ansqZb2y8orEim 0igHJpA22J15l6tu5ZihHpnBbXJEqdDKvsp6P/LG+ZDBXa8bGGg7RxZ1xXFqVWSO kkv9iqcoMWB14VHzC5A6MckhkpUGqPt+HMyUEW/JnGzZ202Z4aaVXOjXMsLf5jo1 VIp94/8nQen+QJThpJLmaNGgl8z60skyXzbtoz93Wy6IZAQYYImeswSrYukO1wC6 FXy0/a3AkDjd7mJiCtA2m7tTxCZr2EBlSu4VemG1APmCTjh2f/wyXNU1iXmTDb7N QcplTAwpROrdvtBeslE+bzYqWZqipcFHHyW9W6YUVIr18cojt6k5GEVzI9WCEgAO v+kA1YkAlQMFEDAJ82xVZJN3Wse4ZQEBc7gD/izVs3+jXs3Ze+U+ZVmfO6guUcMU RB4VsNS6n5BHRm6KS7qXCXxHYc0tehkuHVuGD0riSaS232P0NNmp1D4dzXtUVQCY BZfMbWX4EooqHGGRAoqPGZuke8pZYfVGARUKFQB8+zqKGhCum8z1sbUPUgzR5bie Un9sktwsWEJEIcNoiQB1AwUQMAnxfeUyUV8OtASBAQF/5gL+OksEqwyBE+pUZCmN 1AXAmKlRxkd6gybJJl8lXOOa4KVGmSEroYW8pac+TlraJb6j90LvbqJ+7PHuMtHT 84uRna183HDqKOd6NMdwTTimE6ZGueGBB7mwIysaTU8oCZ66 =0s+r -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -Lance -- Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. Mixmaster, the next generation remailer, is now available! http://obscura.com/~loki/Welcome.html or FTP to obscura.com "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche

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Re: ECM list.
by Bryce Wilcox 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > For example, you might be holding $85.73 in digicash (having played the > various slot machine pages, maybe bought a sky photograph from the Bradford > telescope). That's just about right. > What would it take for you to buy more digicash? How about to sell it? Right now I am thinking of e$ as a "collectors item" or a fun thing to brag about in some distant year. I'm offering US$1.00 for e$15.00, but I will quit offering that price once I run out of US$ or decide that I have enough e$! I think that the ecm market is probably composed of very few people who mostly want to buy, and is therefore not a high-volume market! If the ecm market got a link from the DigiCash home page (which I'm sure it could do) then you would probably get lots of people who just got their free e$100.00 and who are willing to sell part of it after having experienced the wonders of the slot machines and the "e$0.01-per-move tic-tac-toe" games. Could we set up a WWW version of the ecm market, listing latest offers to anyone with a WWW browser? Things might really pick up-- at least for us buyers! I'm also considering other strategies for gaining e$-- offering a service on the DigiCash "cybershops" page, or just going to all my e-mail using friends, showing them how to get their free e$100.00, and then begging them to give me half of it. (Finder's fee? Friendly gift?) Possibly I shouldn't have posted the above and given my e$-collecting competitors the idea, because eventually DigiCash is going to quit giving out freebies! Hopefully my friends will get on the ball and acquire their freebies before that point! :-) [mental note to add some of said friends to the Cc: line...] Bryce P.S. Oh great. My "friends" are asking for the $1.00 for e$15.00 deal... signatures follow /=============------------ Bryce Wilcox, Programmer [THIS SPACE FOR RENT] bryce.wilcox(a)colorado.edu ------------=============/ E-mail is between you and me-- use PGP! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBMAoTRZCUT4gUihHlAQEBMgQAueueOvkxSsVRBS20k49zUhOr8wa/CKcD vqsKLhHoeWhrXuYMKV5KTGgQ86TLwiu5n1C0fjomcJ+86UT1Py09i+yfeBj956hH sMFoGHgu4jKtQPZ94FsmsCzfDXPF6htnuOnQYjSrAydckomZoiQfPICDFRGeiSTp FbXeDMRMrMs= =1z8A -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Mods to Dining Cryptographers: legal questions...
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:02 AM 7/15/95 -0500, Phil Fraering wrote: >I'm sorry if I was a little mysterious about my reference to >another use or mode of a DC-net; I'd _love_ to tell the rest of >you flat-out, and put the idea in the public domain, but I'm >not sure I _CAN_. ..... >Are there any patents on Dining-Cryptographers networks that could >interfere with the placing in the public domain, or the patenting, of >an improvement to the network system? Case 1 - you want to be able to patent your stuff yourself. Case 2 - you don't. For Case 1, I can't help you much, but US patent law lets you apply for a patent on something within one year of publication (most other countries don't allow that - if you publish before applying, you don't get to patent it.) So publish. For Case 2, publish. You could get fancy and use surety.com's date-stamping service to keep a copy of what and when you published. If the material you've developed was already invented, and patented, by someone else, it's still ok to publish it, you just can't use the stuff (except for research, etc.) (I've been burned by this one; I _thought_ my idea seemed obvious enough that somebody else should have already thought of it first :-) So if you're trying to put something in the public domain, you may want to put a footnote in it saying that you're not making any claims about other people's previous patent applications, etc. So, anyway, what's your new idea? # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com

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Re: Deployment
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > So, anyone want to volunteer to port Privtool to Windows ? > Uh, pardon my ignorance, but what is privtool, and why is it > a good thing to port it to windows? > (As compared to the task of integrating PGP into microsofts > mail tool.) It's an open-system mail tool resembling Sun's mailtool with PGP support added. Open-system tools are one of those vanguard things :-) (So are convenient GUI-development tools.) I no longer have a nearby Sun machine to play on, so I haven't played with it, but if it's got a well-done interface it's worth porting or stealing concepts from to include in other systems. I've heard that Microsoft's new mail tools are far less brain-damaged than the Microsoft Mail I've grown to know and hate, which assumes any message that's more than a few lines will be an attached document with maybe some optional intro and leftover mail headers, and chokes on messages with more than 30K of text in the body (choking badly on more than 64K). (Apparently, part of the reason for this evil is the fault of Visual Basic and/or Visual C++, which are convenient GUI development tools...) On the other hand, integrating it into Free Eudora for Windows would be pleasant, if that's doable (I forget it source is available.) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com

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Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:59 PM 7/16/95 +0100, Andrew Spring wrote: >RICO question: i thought that the idea of RICO is to confiscate assets of >racketeers that are derived from criminal activities. PGP and remailer >software is distributed free. so would RICO seizures even apply (yes I >know this doesnt' always stop the FBI)? You _were_ using that software on a _computer_ weren't you? Guess it's one of your racketeer's tools, so we'll have to take it for ourselves, er, um, for evidence and protection of national security.... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com

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