December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Checklist
by Daniel Colpi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greetings and Salutations, A few days ago, I asked for help in making a step by step list on how to "copy" OpenBSD from one computer to another. Well I got a few answers, but many people wanted me to post this list when I was done. So this is it, a mindless checklist of everything I did to "convert a DEC 3100 to the Dark Side" If you can think of something I have missed, please throw me an e-mail. Thanks Daniel Colpi colpi(a)purdue.edu ====================================================================== So, you want another OpenBSD computer hu? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (assuming same disk setup, target is disk #0, and source is disk #1) (also assuming rrz0a -> / ; rrz0c -> swap rrz0d -> /usr ; rrz0e ->/usr/target ) (Note: I am on a /bio backbone, this isn't going to be the same for you) (Note: /bio/scratch3 is a temp space that I can write to) ___Save Files ___dump root to scratch (just in case) -->% dump -0f /bio/scratch3/dump /dev/rrz0a ___/etc/passwd --> % mv /etc/passwd /bio/scratch3/passwd.target ___/etc/crontab ___any self created scripts you made to run with crontab ___/etc/fstab ___/usr/local/etc/mk-exports ___/etc/export.hosts ___/etc/export.fs.[n] (if you have a drive that is set up the way you want for target machine, you might want to save it to a file to save you some time) (Note: you might want to do this on a machine that is already converted) ___save your partition list -->% disklabel -r /dev/rrz1a >> temp_part % mv temp_part /bio/scratch3 ___Shut down target ___Connect source drive ___Make sure drives are jumpered not to conflict (target=>0 ; source=>1) ___Plug in and power up ___Make sure clock is right time (some old computers lose some time) ___Make sure you see both drives (ie drive 1 & drive 0) ___Run disklabel (I had drouble labeling the disk, but this worked) -->% disklabel -r /dev/rrz1a >> temp % disklabel -B -R /dev/rrz0a temp % disklabel -e /dev/rrz0a ___ / = _______________ ___ swap = ____________ ___ /usr = ____________ / ______________ (target / source) (remove src if desired) ___ /usr/target = _______________ (if you have a "cookie-cut" version you can just:) -->% disklabel -B -R /dev/rrz0a /bio/scratch3/temp_part ___Run newfs -->% newfs /dev/rrz0[ad] ___Transfer files --->% mount /dev/rz0a /mnt % cd /mnt % df -k . (make sure enough room) % df -k / % dump 0f - /dev/rrz1a | restore -rf - % rm restoresystable (if you don't do this you'll be sorry) % cd / % umount /mnt % mount /dev/rz0d /mnt ---+ % cd /mnt | % df -k . | Repeate this % dump 0f - /dev/rrz1d | restore -if - | section if restore > add [all dir's you want to keep] | needed restore > extract | on restore > set owner/mode for /./? [yn] n | other restore > quit | partitions (Note: it will say "DUMP not completed" if you | did not restore everything. This is not a bad | thing, ignore it) | % rm restoresystable (might not be there) | % cd / | % umount /mnt ---+ ___Configure (BE CAREFUL to configure /mnt/etc NOT /etc !!!!) ___mount /usr --->% mount /dev/rz0d /mnt ___remove /mnt/etc/npt.drift ___make dir /mnt/usr/preserve ___replace all scripts made to be run by crontab ___move /bio/scratch3/mk-exports /mnt/usr/local/etc/mk-exports ___umount /mnt ___mount / --->% mount /dev/rz0a /mnt ___replace rest of scripts to be used by crontab ___move /bio/scratch3/export.hosts /mnt/etc/export.hosts ___move /bio/scratch3/export.fs.[n] /mnt/etc/export.fs.[n] ___hostname ___/mnt/etc/hostname.le1 ___/mnt/etc/exports (or run /usr/local/etc/mk-exports) ___/mnt/etc/hosts (change IP number too) ___/mnt/etc/myname ___/mnt/etc/rc (maybe not if (flavor == vanilla)) ___/mnt/etc/mygate ___/mnt/etc/passwd ___/usr/local/bin/tcsh (OpenBSD doesn't come with tcsh) ___reconfigure passwd file (for correct format) __ % mv /bio/scratch3/passwd.target /mnt/etc/passwd.orig same / % nawk -F: ' { print $1 FS $2 FS $3 FS $4 "::0:0:" $5 FS \ line \__ $6 FS $7 } ' /mnt/etc/passwd.orig >> /mnt/etc/passwd % pwd_mkdb -c /mnt/etc/passwd % pwd_mkdb -d /mnt/etc/ /mnt/etc/passwd % pwd_mkdb -d /mnt/etc/ -p /mnt/etc/passwd % chmod 600 /mnt/passwd.orig ___do you want permissive /mnt/root/.rhosts (bilbo root ; gimli root) ___how about cooperative /mnt/etc/ttys (%s/network/network secure) ___if your source machine boots off disk 1 and target boots off disk 0, you need to make sure the correct kernal is at /mnt/bsd ___umount /mnt ___Power down ___Remove source drive ___Correct jumpers if nessary ___Power up ___Before starting OpenBSD at Boot Ram type: >> printenv >> setenv bootpath rz(0,0,0)/bsd ___Boot off of target disk ___restore user file system --->% cd /usr/target % rsh bilbo ls /usr/amanda/\* __ (now in order) same / % rsh bilbo cat /usr/amanda/target.date.[0->(n-1)] \ line \__ < /dev/null | resore -rf - (now when done with above loop (IN ORDER!!!!!)) % rm restoresystable ___recreate crontab --->% crontab -e ___Checks ___ping source machine (to make sure not same IP addresses) ___run ntpq -p ___finger @localhost ___finger @target ___cd into /bio/scratch3/ ___run date ___telnet to target from another machine ___ftp one file from another machine ___cd to /bio/target from another machine ___Go home early Nessary Tools: =============== Screwdrivers (if internal drives) Postit-notes (for keeping drives straight) One hell of a lot of coffee

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Re: Documentation
by Charlie Root 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >In the coming weekend, I'll be updating the newuser FAQ > >(for things like PPP and 2.2). I'm sure a post-install checklist would be > >a welcome addition. > > > >B U T . . . . > > > >Not everyone runs things like Kerberos or DNS. Keep in mind that many > >people use OpenBSD for many things and in many environs. The OpenBSD setup > >on my firewall at the office is much different than the Sparc, Alpha, and > >P5/133 I run it on at home. The setup on my router machine at home is also > >much different than the other machines in my house. There are ways people > >have setup OpenBSD on embeded systems to do things like manage the > >fuel/air mix ratio on their Corvettes (OK, one person I know of planned > >that, but couldn't get the financing for the car...) I hope that draws the > >picture. > > > >As for the verification after install, that is sort of "auto-manditory"-- > >if a filesystem isn't mounted right, /etc/fstab has to be checked out. If > >the network doesn't work, the network files must be examined to "make it > >go." As oopposed to attacking this as a checklist, how about it is > >attacked as "If networking doesn't work, check hostname.(interface)"-- but > >there is more to that then just files in /etc (boot -c in order to > >reconfigure hardware addresses) > > As a user of OpenBSD, and having tried to manage projects with it for > implementation of added features for customers...I could not agree with > the above position. > > You see, if you are ALREADY familiar with OpenBSD then you will most likely > know exactly what to do when installing and seting up a system. New User's > Notes / Installation Checklist's will most likely be ignored by you. > > However, if you are brand new to the system, then an Installation / Setup > Checklist (a good one) will prove to be essential. Wouldn't it be great if > just about every post to these groups from a new user was one like "..hey! > This OpenBSD thingy works great! The installation was a snap!.." or something > like that. We all know that hardly happens now...but, it could..... > > I, for one, believe strongly that a good 'Overview', 'Setup Notes' and 'Installation > Checklist' must somehow find it's way into the distribution. It is also clear > that the machine / arch specific differences will require unique versions > for each. I completly agree with you. Just anoze topic that i can add is installation procedure,especially disk partitoning. It's a very dungerous/important procedure but it's description ins INSTALL.i386 is a bit too short and need examples(espcially). Something like - "Imagine we have disk with such and such patitions and now we want to install OpenBSD here & there so we should... It would'be _very_ helpfull. BTW, does anybody work on installation software ? Something like in FreeBSD/RedHat ? Alexey Pialkin

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Collisions
by Daniel Colpi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greetings and Salutations, Does anyone know of where I can get some sort of window to "catch" all of the system mess. while xdm is running? There are a lot of collisions that happen, and they mess up the screen with error mess. The people who use these computers assume the this is broke. Any ideas? Thanks, Daniel Colpi colpi(a)purdue.edu

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pro-crypto govt. people
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This year I recall seeing 1 former prosecutor saying that widespread encryption was good and/or that GAK was bad, and 1 military or former military person of fairly high status saying that GAK was bad. Circa 1994-5 I also recall a military or retired miltiary person of rank reporting that very widespread crypto would be a boost to national security. We could really use these people's, and similar people's, words in pro-crypto efforts. Unfortunately, disk problems a while back cost me most of my old mail, including all of these saved items. If anyone has them and/or knows who these people are, please let me know. -- Stanton McCandlish mech(a)eff.org Electronic Frontier Foundation Program Director http://www.eff.org/~mech +1 415 436 9333 x105 (v), +1 415 436 9333 (f) Are YOU an EFF member? http://www.eff.org/join

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Bernstein case update: Government appeal brief filed
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The government has filed its 81-page "brief" with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Bernstein case. They argue that the export controls are "constitutionally permissible", that they are not a facially unconstitutional prior restraint on publication, and that the District Court gave Prof. Bernstein "too broad" relief by declaring the law and regulations unconstitutional and partially enjoining their enforcement. The brief has been scanned in as page images, and is at: http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Bernstein_v_DoS/Legal/970116_appeal_brie… Prof. Bernstein's legal team will file its reply by November 10, the government will reply by November 17, the Court will hold a formal hearing sometime during the week of December 8, then the Court will issue its decision. John Gilmore Electronic Frontier Foundation

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Free Internet Seminar
by Jeremy Rusnock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear MIS Subscriber, MicroServe will be holding a basic Internet seminar on Tuesday, October 21st at teh Woodlands Inn and Resort in Wilkes-Barre, PA. There will be two sessions from which to choose, 1:00pm to 4:00pm or 6:00pm to 9:00pm. We will be covering basic services such as email, ftp, world wide web, and usenet news. We will also provide information about the internet itself - how it started, where it's going, etc. Everyone is welcome (whether an MIS customer or not), so tell your friends and family. Again, this is a basic seminar. We will not be covering advanced topics such as web page creation or cgi programming. So if you are an advanced user already, this might not be the seminar for you. We are considering advanced seminars in the not too distant future. If you would like to register or if you have any questions, please call Mike Siconolfi at 821-5964 x21. Thank You, Jeremy Rusnock ~----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremy Rusnock MicroServe Information Systems, Inc. Commercial Sales/CSM/Security 100 North Wilkes-Barre Boulevard jeremy(a)admin.microserve.net Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania 18702 http://www.microserve.net/~jeremy (800)380-INET x23 (717)821-5964 x23 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Free on Saturday? Play Ultimate. See http://www.microserve.net/~frisbee.

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Re: what can we do about PGP sell out and CMR?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You've got a lot of nerve accusing PGP, Inc. of being "sellouts" when you're over on open-pgp pushing KEY ESCROW, of all things. I can see it now, the new product name, "PGP with Key Escrow". Motto: "Lose your key? Don't worry, we've got a copy." Do you really think cypherpunks are going to support key escrow? Fat chance.

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by Harry Hansen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Security flaws introduced by "other readers" in CMR
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Let's look a little closer at the kinds of access and notice available in the PGP system compared to alternatives. As several people have pointed out, no encryption system can provide protection against what is done with the message after it is decrypted. The receiver could share it with whoever he wants to, or whoever he is forced to. Consider the following scenarios: - An encrypted message is sent to someone at his workplace using current systems like PGP 2.6. - An encrypted message is sent to someone at his workplace, who is using the message access features of PGP 5.5. The corporation key is marked as "optional", and the message is not encrypted to that extra key. - An encrypted message is sent as before, but this time the message is encrypted to the corporate key. - An encrypted message is sent to someone at his workplace, who is using a different form of corporate access which relies on key escrow or automatic acquisition of cleartext. We agree that none of these systems can provide complete protection against third party access. In any of them, the receiver could be forced to turn over the encrypted message. But there is still a difference. In the first two scenarios, the expectation of privacy is the same. You are encrypting to a personal key at a business address, but you expect that you would know about it if the data were being provided to a third party. There is no widespread installed base of software which provides secret access after the message is decrypted. In fact, the second scenario arguably provides slightly more privacy than the first, which is what we have now. The reason is that in the second scenario, the company provides an optional mechanism for business mail to be recoverable, but also provides an explicit, sender-controlled escape clause. The company is granting an explicit expectation of privacy by allowing the corporate key recipient to be removed. With usage of older versions of PGP, there was really no way for the company to even inform the sender about whether it was going to be reading the mail. In the third scenario, where you encrypt to the corporate key, there is no expectation of privacy. All parties, the sender, the receiver, and the company, know that the data is being made available to the business. There is not much privacy here; what you have is business security. This mode would be used for business documents and business communications. In the fourth scenario, which some people are offering as a superior approach, the expectation of privacy is much less clear. Unlike in the current PGP approach, where the design of the corporate access system is oriented around notifying the sender and receiver, a key escrow or plaintext recovery system inherently provides no such notice. This is different from the status quo. We are talking about a commercial product which provides automatic corporate access to communications. Widespread installation and use of this alternate version of PGP inherently changes the assumptions and expectations that you will have when you encrypt to someone at work. Given the company's desire for message access, this approach implies that you must conservatively assume that most encryption to a business address will be read. The PGP system is designed to avoid this. It provides another method for corporate access, a visible and explicit method. It is intended as an alternative to key escrow and other systems which recovery data after the recipient gets it. PGP's third party recipient feature is designed to prevent the creation of an installed base of escrowed keys and after the fact third party access software. Even if the encryption system provides a way for the user to mark his keys as being escrowed or otherwise providing third party access, the system is not self-correcting in the way the PGP system is. It would be much easier for a business owner to pervert a secretive access system than one like PGP. The company could install the access features but not tell its employees that their keys were being escrowed, or that their mail client was secretly storing a copy of all plaintexts. This kind of change would be easy to make with the after-the-fact access systems some people are proposing. Yes, theoretically this can be done with any encryption system (as all agree) but the point is to avoid the widespread distribution of software which invites this kind of abuse. The PGP system is designed to satisfy business needs without leading us into this dangerous situation. A world in which third party encryption by the sender is the normal and widespread method for corporate access is one with increased privacy and more visibility of access. The alternatives which have been proposed are prone to abuse and provide less visibility. They lead us towards a world in which there is no expectation of privacy even for encrypted messages, by providing an installed base of snooping software. The PGP approach is explicitly designed to keep us out of that world, by removing the need for that kind of software.

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InfoWar Epilogue 3 (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet')
by I Am Not A Crook Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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InfoWar Epilogue 3 / TEXT
by I Am Not A Crook Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar Table of Contents * Epilogue * Gomez ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Epilogue ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Nun Other From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com On terrorists, one of the Four Horsemen. IS THE ASSAULT ON NATIVE INTELLIGENCE & GOOD WILL WE CALL THE EVENING NEWS ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN ACT OF TERRIORISM? What was the Gulf War but terrorism wearing the death mask of order?-- One big car bomb it was the guys who drove it are dying now one by one--ignored! Is acid rain a form of terrorism? (Think for yourself.) Is GATT or NAFTA anything but a pact among brigands--the World Bank, the IMP their backup men? How long before they fight over the spoils? Who'll do the fighting for them?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gomez Damn! Will these contemptuous, plebeian subalterns never learn? I will allow them to fight over the spoils! They will do the fighting for ME! It is I who am at the right hand of the Evil One. It is I who will bring the earth to submission under HIS dominion, with the Dark Allies by my side. The future is written! It is written! These foolish ants continue to struggle in vain, though the battle they persist in fighting was lost centuries ago. 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The mortal fools who live in the InfoWar weald of my Grand Scheme cannot see the forest for the trees as they fight their 'winning' battles one retreat at a time. I have turned their words on their head with NewSpeak, DoubleSpeak and SpinSpeak-I have turned their minds upside down by making all forms of disagreement with my Puppet Masters CrimeThink and CrimeSpeak. I have turned their world and their reality on its head, yet the simpletons are not capable of turning 1999 on its head and realizing that at the end of the millennial forest stands the Subtle Serpent which convinced Eve and Adam to eat the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil-the serpentine, autarchic Evil-1and Armageddon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Please allow me to introduce myself" "I am An Evil FUD Disseminator To Be Named Later. "I will be your host for the rest of this chapter of 'InfoWar,' because I have the brass balls needed to tell you blatant lies about your future, and the future of humanity, because I know that it is now too late for human kind to save themselves, and that you desperately desire to hear, and believe, the lies I am about to tell you. "Nowback to our 'story.'" It is becoming increasingly obvious, to even the deaf, dumb and blind, that the Y2K (Year 2000) programming 'problem' has the potential to become a worldwide disaster. Is this an 'accident?' Is it the result of the laws of inertia, vis a vis human nature? Yesnow turn on the TV and go back to sleep. That's rightthe Y2K 'problem' has been known about for years, yet the finest minds in the arena of computer finance have not understood the true import of the problem until just recently. 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You can see a smiling man explaining that the company he represents loves you so gosh-darned much that their standard contract contains two 'gimmes'-that they will give you coupons which allow you to 'miss' two payments at your own convenience. "Yes folks, we are trying to help people who are likely to default on their loans because they believe the problems resulting from their bad financial habits will be solved by planning ahead for getting in above their heads." You can see ads telling you that Company B loves you so gosh-darned much that they will loan you up to 125% of your equity in your home. "We will even kiss you on the lips, to show our sincerity. " When we call in your loan, you will be advised of where you can kiss us." Trust methese people are not involved in a mad scramble to gain possession of as many hard assets as possible because they know something that you don't know The IRS, the Rockerfellers, the shadowy world figures who own and operate munitions factories in both, or all, countries involved in armed conflict, the patriots who sell ball-bearings to keep the war machines that are shooting at their sons and daughters operating Well, if there is great upheaval and disaster in the financial community, as well as in society itself, then these people will probably come to ruin, while your life just keeps getting better and better. In conclusion, I would like to assure you that if worldwide disaster suddenly looms as a result of a crisis caused by the Y2K 'problem,' that it will undoubtedly be a result of the evil conspiracies of drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists, Saddam Hussein, and a Horseman to be named later. The 'good' news is that our saviors are waiting in the wings to rush to our rescue and save us from the Great Evilas long as your name is not on 'The List,' of course. {Hang on a second, I'll check} Gee pal, I'm afraid I have some rather bad news for you ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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PGP Inc apology deal
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To reply to Jon Callas request for an apology for my rudeness, I'll offer a deal: - If I am unable to show you how to improve the GR (GAK resistance) of a system with a similar set of recovery properties to the CMR system; which replacement design is vialble to use in a typical corporate environment I will publically apologize for being rude, and for wasting your time. - If I am able to show you how to improve the GR (GAK resistance) of a system with a similar set of recovery properties to the CMR system which replacement design is vialble to use in a typical corporate environment, I _don't_ want an apology. I want something much more interesting: I want PGP Inc to implement and deploy it. - The group which will judge this process is PGP Inc. Do we have a deal? Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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re: consensus on pgp? can we consolidate for action?
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- after I mailed the rant, I thought maybe the paragraph below was incomplete: # of course, I may be presumptuous PGP would even want to hear # from us, let alone have any form of "Cypherpunks Inside" # (yuk) label on the box! particularly with the round robin # multi-teaming of the sleepless Jon Callas. # should have said ..."Cypherpunks Inside" label on the box: of course, they might it consider it preferable to being labeled: "Big Brother Inside" # # this has been an addendum to an attila rant... attila, out, again, one more time.... it aint over 'til the fat lady sings and vahalla is burning! "attila" sig: 1024/C20B6905/23D0 FA7F 6A8F 6066 BCAF AE56 98C0 D7B0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQCVAwUBNEZc+L04kQrCC2kFAQE1AwP/W+BJ+a2rGhTh90lnMqt8RZCTOtmpWYrl DMCQ+zojBnfRAkzZ/ethdnXYNgOlCRV/xWejMgOjLxlp3LDiAfzdgJM+u4ZCbZR3 Dvmkfs8uu8oK8E+3Ztb/H3XovXM6pxUtwoEaJKlOScBw2ypLFER3aZe1SVLnmDeb P9vIBbx5j+4= =NOox -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: CFV: comp.org.cauce moderated -- support privacy and anonymity
by Psycho Killer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > [This message has also been posted.] > [I am objecting to a proposal that seeks to ban one-way anonymous > remailers and other forms of unrepliable addresses such as spamblocked > addresses]. > Mozena>>But, what do you have against anonymity? > Mozena> > Mozena>Nothing. What right do you have, though, to force me and others to > Mozena>inconvenience ourselves so you can post anonymously or protect yourself > Mozena>from spam? I agree with Mozena. I like to hunt down and slaughter people who use the word 'reference' in their posts, and I'm getting damn tired of wasting my valuable time because some assholes want to remain anonymous. > The average American spends a total of six (6) months in prison. I always knew I was above average, and now I have *proof*. Psycho Killer "Qu'est que c'est?"

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Re: Liberal lawyer joke from Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #34
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 16 Oct 97 at 9:58,somebody wrote: > Research labs are increasingly replacing rats with lawyers. > > There are three reasons for this: > > 1. The lawyers are in abundant supply > 2. The lab workers do not develop any kind of emotional attachment to lawyers > 3. There are things you just can't get a rat to do.

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FBI allowed to keep file on New York man's lawful activities
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FBI allowed to keep file on New York man's lawful activities By LAURIE ASSEO Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court today refused to order the FBI to purge its file on lawful activities by the former head of a charitable foundation. The court, without comment, turned away arguments that said the FBI is violating a federal privacy law by keeping a file about the man's years-ago meetings with foreign leaders and political dissidents. Lance E. Lindblom of Larchmont, N.Y., was president of the Chicago-based J. Roderick MacArthur Foundation from 1984 to 1994. The foundation supports civil liberties activities, and Lindblom's duties included meeting with foreign leaders and political dissidents. After filing a request with the FBI, Lindblom learned in 1989 that the bureau kept records that described his meetings with such people. Lindblom and the foundation sued the FBI in federal court in the District of Columbia, saying the 1974 federal Privacy Act required the bureau to purge those files. The law limits federal agencies' authority to keep records describing how people exercise their rights under the Constitution's First Amendment, including rights of free speech and association. Under the Privacy Act, agencies can keep such records only if it is authorized by another law or "within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity." A federal judge ruled for the FBI, saying the files were compiled for legitimate law enforcement purposes. The investigations were not aimed at Lindblom or the foundation, but were aimed at the people with whom they met, the judge said. A federal appeals court agreed last December. Federal agencies can keep records they lawfully collected, the appeals court said, adding that a requirement to purge old files would be too burdensome. In the appeal acted on today, Lindblom's lawyers said agencies must separately justify the need to keep old records, even if they originally were lawfully collected. Keeping Lindblom's file increases the risk that it will be used illegally, his lawyers said, noting the 1996 controversy after it was found that the FBI files of 700 former White House employees had been sent to the White House. Justice Department lawyers said a requirement to purge old files would cause problems if the information later was needed for a new or reopened investigation. The case is Lindblom vs. FBI, 97-82. APTV-10-14-97 1020EDT

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Re: FCPUNX:proposal: commercial data recovery
by Eli Brandt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Will Price wrote: > In your model, the recipient automatically > decrypts and then re-encrypts to a data recovery key -- even though > end-user computers are likely to be insecure thus making this decrypt & > reencrypt step rather specious at best. The value of this security model escapes me -- if the receiver's machine is insecure, you lose, period. Please, let us assume that neither endpoint is controlled by an attacker. You are concerned that the recipient is re-encrypting with a key whose access characteristics are unknown to the sender. Now, for all the sender really knows, the recipient may be storing the message in the clear, or maybe putting it on a Times Square billboard. This is not a cryptographic failure. In your CMR system as well, the sender has no choice but to trust the recipient's integrity and data hygeine -- or to not send the message. The headers could contain a request as to the eventual disposition of the message, but there are never any guarantees. > As an actual data recovery system, it also fails fundamental tests. If I > encrypt critical data to a colleague wiping it from my system after > sending, then the colleague is incapacitated before receipt and processing > of the message, the data can never be retrieved. Forget bus-struck colleagues, think unreliable messaging -- if you do this and your e-mail is lost in transit, your "critical data" is lost. So don't do this. > A data recovery system > must solve this kind of issue -- data recovery here means that from > end-to-end the data is recoverable in case of emergency. One cannot ignore > message transit time in this -- it can take days for a message to travel > from AOL to the outside world. I'm not seeing how transit time figures in here. Are you proposing to bypass it by sending in an emergency team to acquire the in-transit message from the AOL machine room? If you find this practical, you can even retrieve an un-CMRed message by putting the recipient on this emergency team. But as I said, this situation should never be allowed to arise. Data recovery means you can get the data. It doesn't specify which copy you get decrypt. For reliable transmission over an unreliable medium, the sender must not destroy the original until receipt has been confirmed; for stored-data recovery, "receipt" involves appropriate re-encryption. (A reliable medium simply involves shoving all of this down into the messaging protocol.) So reliable transmission can support data recovery, from one end or the other, without message recovery. You might ask what happens if both endpoints are struck by meteorites. If the data is critically important, it will have been replicated off the sender's disk. The bottom line is that no such data can be trusted solely to an AOL mailserver (of all things). > If you don't need data recovery, don't use > it, but at least respect the people who do need it and need it to actually > work at all points. I'm no protocol designer, but I'd have more respect for this system if explanations for its necessity seemed to have been fully thought through. The issue of communications keys versus storage keys has been discussed before; I don't believe I'm raising any novel issues. Did PGP Inc. consider and reject stored-data recovery (if so, what were the good reasons?), or are we seeing a retroactive explanation here? -- Eli Brandt | eli+(a)cs.cmu.edu | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~eli/ (on FCPUNX, cc'ed replies appreciated)

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Internet Tools For Your Business (fwd)
by Japhy Ryder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Forwarded message from prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net ----- >From prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net Thu Oct 16 17:27:18 1997 From: prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net Message-Id: <199710162227.RAA18064(a)enteract.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Internet Tools For Your Business **************************************************************************** We sincerely apologize if this message has reached you in error. This is a one time mailing, you need not reply as you will not receive this message again. **************************************************************************** The Internet is the marketing opportunity of a lifetime, don't let it pass you by! I make thousands marketing my products with Bulk E-MAIL. Responsible E-MAILING WORKS, and regardless of any non-applicable ridiculous fax or phone law someone may quote you Bulk E-mail is a 100% legal and ethical way to make tons of money, I am living proof. If you are interested in making serious money and saving yourself all of the time and hasle of finding the right tools and Internet resources read on because what I have to offer you will save you hundreds of hours of research that you could be using to get down to business and make money with direct e-mail marketing. If you send me $15 bucks I will send you via e-mail a file containing the following information that will arm you with all the tools you will ever need to jump start a Internet marketing campaign. Just print and mail the order form at the bottom of this page with your payment and as soon as I receive it I will mail your file. Then you can be on your way to harvesting the gold mine I have found in direct E-mail marketing. I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH! 1.) A list of top bulk e-mail servers and I.S.P.'s that you can mail from without losing your acounts. 2.) The U.R.L to two bulk mail marketing members- only forums and message boards, where you will find free e-mail marketing software, archives full of bulk mail marketing information, and have the opportunty to ask questions and get advise from from pros like myself who have battled and won the war with bulk mail marketing. 3.) A LIST OF 1500 U.R.L's where you can place FREE classified ads. 4.) The location of a site where you fill out one form with information about your Web Site and they will submit it to 200 search engines for FREE. 5.) A Internet address that will link you to almost 100 classified ad areas where you can submit your advertisements for FREE. 6.) A list of 25 newsgroups where advertiseing your products and services are acceptable. These are the newgroups I have been successful with for years. 7.) The U.R.L for eight sites who offer you free e-mail boxes where you can receive your mail or have it forwarded to any address you desire. 8.) A list of sites where you can obtain bulk e-mail software to fit any budget. Most of these sites even offer free demo versions for download, so you can try before you buy. 9.) A internet address location where they will not only set-up C.G.I. order scripts on your Web Site but maintain them for only ONE DOLLAR A MONTH. 10.) The U.R.L of a site where you can set up a completely annomous I.S.P account. 11.) A site address where you can obtain publicity for your products or services, and it's absolutely FREE. As if this wasn't enough If your order is postmarked before October 15, 1997 I will include the following FIVE Internet Marketing Information reports, that have made me thousands marketing on the Internet. These five reports usually sell seperately for $50, but they are all yours for the asking when you order this package. AND THAT'S NOT ALL, I am going to throw in 100,000 good net and com email addresses and the location of a site you can go to immediately and download a fully functional copy of bulk-mail software so you can get started NOW! Report #1) Direct Response Web Sites (How to Get Your Prospects To Buy Now) Report #2) Search Engine Rip Offs (How to Play Hardball And Get 600 Hits A Day In Less Than A Week) Report#3 "14 Reasons Why You Can 'Literally" Make A Million (right now) By Turning Other Peoples Fax Machines Into Your Own Personal Printers" Report #4) How to turn 1000's of prospects into buyers and die hard, loyal customers for life. Report #5) How To Increase your Profits 15 Times by knowing the secret of headlines and the role they play on the Internet. SPECIAL BONUS: all orders post marked by the October 30 will also receive a clean list of 100,000 e-mail addresses to kick start your new business. These are all good addresses that have been run through remove databases. 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Re: Liberal lawyer joke from Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #34
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:26 PM -0700 10/16/97, jf_avon(a)citenet.net wrote: >On 16 Oct 97 at 9:58,somebody wrote: > >> Research labs are increasingly replacing rats with lawyers. >> >> There are three reasons for this: >> >> 1. The lawyers are in abundant supply >> 2. The lab workers do not develop any kind of emotional attachment to >>lawyers >> 3. There are things you just can't get a rat to do. Just a word: the "lawyer jokes" sent out recently are at least 10 years old. Calling them "liberal lawyer" jokes doesn't make them any fresher. I suggest original content, in the form of essays or analyses, is better than stale old lawyer jokes. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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by Igor Chudov ＠ home 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner rule SECRET SECURITY MESSAGES ON STAMPS CAN BE DECODED Postal Service Logo October 16, 1997 Web posted at: 3:39 p.m. EDT (1939 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- The post office is preserving a bit of nostalgia from an era when children saved cereal box tops for the secret decoder rings. The new decoder isn't a ring, but it does the job by revealing secret messages hidden on some U.S. postage stamps. "It was done primarily as a anti-counterfeit measure, but we knew that collectors of all kinds would enjoy it as an interesting design element as well," said postal spokesman Barry Ziehl. You normally can't see the hidden image, but the post office is selling decoders to interested people. For $4.95 collectors can get a special lens that reveals the hidden message when placed over the stamp. The first hidden image was on a 32-cent U.S. Air Force stamp issued in September. With the decoder, viewers can see the letters USAF repeated over and over across the face of the stamp. The decoder has to be turned slightly from side to side to get the image to appear. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * US Postal Service External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. Barnes and Noble Recommends Selected books on Postage Stamps Or find any book in print by keyword: ____________________ ______ _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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http:--www.cnn.com-TECH-9710-16-internet.subpoena.ap-
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Tech banner Tivoli systems and network management: The power to manage. Anything. Anywhere. Click here. rule SUBPOENA ISSUED FOR DATA BEHIND NEWSPAPER'S WEB SITE website October 16, 1997 Web posted at: 8:40 p.m. EDT (0040 GMT) VENTURA, California (AP) -- In what could be a legal first, the Ventura County Star has been subpoenaed by attorneys in a murder case for information about people who have used the newspaper's Internet site. The defense wants to determine whether the jury pool has been contaminated. The subpoena, which asks for unpublished e-mail and demographics of people who participated in an online survey about the case, explores new territory between legal protections for the media and a defendant's right to a fair trial, said Terry Francke, a media attorney with the California First Amendment Coalition. "This is very new, and I suspect the courts will be grappling with more and more of these types of requests from attorneys as the medium grows," Francke said Wednesday. The Internet site detailed the Diana Haun murder trial. Haun was convicted September 28 of conspiracy, kidnapping and murder in the slaying of Sherri Dally, her lover's wife -- an act prosecutors said was a human sacrifice birthday present. The penalty phase of Haun's trial is scheduled to begin Monday. The subpoena was served this week by James Farley, the attorney for Haun's lover and alleged co-conspirator Michael Dally. His trial is set to begin November 24. Jurors will be bused to Ventura from adjoining Santa Barbara County. The Internet site stretches beyond the newspaper's circulation area in Ventura County, possibly contaminating jury pools in Santa Barbara County, said Len Newcomb, an investigator for Farley. "The media decided to make this a high-profile case and decided they wanted to reach a vast number of people," Newcomb said. "And the worst-case scenario is that we won't be able to find jurors who don't already have strong biases." Newcomb has filed subpoenas on 56 news organizations from Los Angeles to San Luis Obispo, requesting unpublished reader, listener and viewer response to the Haun coverage. The latest subpoena unquestionably invades legally protected discourse between readers and their newspapers, said Timothy J. Gallagher, the Ventura newspaper's editor. "I don't have a problem providing information to defense attorneys that has already appeared in the newspaper, or in this case online, but beyond that there's a privileged relationship between newspapers and readers," Gallagher said. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * Ventura County Star + Subpoena covers new legal ground + Coverage of the Haun murder trial External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Watch these shows on CNN for more sci-tech stories: CNN Computer Connection | Future Watch | Science & Technology Week rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] Tivoli systems and network management: The power to manage. Anything. Anywhere. Click here. rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: Internet Tools For Your Business (fwd)
by Japhy Ryder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Forwarded message from Graham-John Bullers ----- >From real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Thu Oct 16 21:11:54 1997 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:11:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Graham-John Bullers <real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> To: Japhy Ryder <japhy(a)enteract.com> Subject: Re: Internet Tools For Your Business (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199710162323.SAA00372(a)enteract.com> Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.971016201131.101210a-100000(a)fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Japhy Ryder wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net ----- > > >From prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net Thu Oct 16 17:27:18 1997 > From: prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net > Message-Id: <199710162227.RAA18064(a)enteract.com> > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:17:49 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Internet Tools For Your Business > > **************************************************************************** > We sincerely apologize if this message has reached you > in error. This is a one time mailing, you need not reply as you will not receive this message again. > **************************************************************************** > The Internet is the marketing opportunity of a lifetime, > don't let it pass you by! > > I make thousands marketing my products with Bulk > E-MAIL. Responsible E-MAILING WORKS, and regardless > of any non-applicable ridiculous fax or phone law > someone may quote you Bulk E-mail is a 100% legal and > ethical way to make tons of money, I am living proof. > > If you are interested in making serious money and > saving yourself all of the time and hasle of finding > the right tools and Internet resources read on because > what I have to offer you will save you hundreds of > hours of research that you could be using to get > down to business and make money with direct > e-mail marketing. > > If you send me $15 bucks I will send you via e-mail > a file containing the following information that will > arm you with all the tools you will ever need to > jump start a Internet marketing campaign. > > Just print and mail the order form at the > bottom of this page with your payment and as > soon as I receive it I will mail your file. Then you > can be on your way to harvesting the gold mine > I have found in direct E-mail marketing. > > I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH! > > 1.) A list of top bulk e-mail servers and I.S.P.'s > that you can mail from without losing your acounts. > > 2.) The U.R.L to two bulk mail marketing members- > only forums and message boards, where you will > find free e-mail marketing software, archives full of > bulk mail marketing information, and have the > opportunty to ask questions and get advise from > from pros like myself who have battled and won > the war with bulk mail marketing. > > 3.) A LIST OF 1500 U.R.L's where you can place FREE > classified ads. > > 4.) The location of a site where you fill out one form > with information about your Web Site and they will > submit it to 200 search engines for FREE. > > 5.) A Internet address that will link you to almost > 100 classified ad areas where you can submit your > advertisements for FREE. > > 6.) A list of 25 newsgroups where advertiseing your > products and services are acceptable. These are > the newgroups I have been successful with for years. > > 7.) The U.R.L for eight sites who offer you > free e-mail boxes where you can receive your mail or > have it forwarded to any address you desire. > > 8.) A list of sites where you can obtain bulk e-mail > software to fit any budget. Most of these sites even > offer free demo versions for download, so you can > try before you buy. > > 9.) A internet address location where they will not > only set-up C.G.I. order scripts on your Web Site > but maintain them for only ONE DOLLAR A MONTH. > > 10.) The U.R.L of a site where you can set up a > completely annomous I.S.P account. > > 11.) A site address where you can obtain publicity > for your products or services, and it's absolutely > FREE. > > As if this wasn't enough If your order is postmarked > before October 15, 1997 I will include the following > FIVE Internet Marketing Information reports, that have > made me thousands marketing on the Internet. These > five reports usually sell seperately for $50, but they > are all yours for the asking when you order this package. > > AND THAT'S NOT ALL, I am going to throw in 100,000 > good net and com email addresses and the location of > a site you can go to immediately and download a fully > functional copy of bulk-mail software so you can get > started NOW! > > Report #1) Direct Response Web Sites (How to Get > Your Prospects To Buy Now) > > Report #2) Search Engine Rip Offs (How to Play > Hardball And Get 600 Hits A Day In Less Than A Week) > > Report#3 "14 Reasons Why You Can 'Literally" > Make A Million (right now) By Turning Other Peoples > Fax Machines Into Your Own Personal Printers" > > Report #4) How to turn 1000's of prospects into > buyers and die hard, loyal customers for life. > > Report #5) How To Increase your Profits 15 Times > by knowing the secret of headlines and the role they > play on the Internet. > > SPECIAL BONUS: all orders post marked by the > October 30 will also receive a clean list > of 100,000 e-mail addresses to kick start your > new business. These are all good addresses that > have been run through remove databases. > > Yes Send me a copy of your Bulk e-mail Information > Kit. I understand that if I am not completely staisfied > I will have the total purchase price of $15 refunded > to me upon request within 30 days from purchase. > > Name_________________________________ > > Address_______________________________ > > City, State, Zip___________________________ > > Telephone# (______)____________________ > > E-mail Address__________________________ > > Check here if you would like to receive information > about our other products ( ) > > Send your check or money order for $15 to: > > Precious Times Publications > 18551 Chase Street > Northridge, California 91324 > > If you have any questions, don't hesitate > to contact us at Tel: (818)-885-1823 or > Fax: (818)-885-8014 > > > > > > > > ----- End of forwarded message from prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net ----- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Graham-John Bullers Moderator of alt.2600.moderated ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email : <real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> : <ab756(a)freenet.toronto.on.ca> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- End of forwarded message from Graham-John Bullers -----

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No Subject
by Japhy Ryder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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