December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: US: Domestic Encryption Protected by US Constitution?
by tcmay＠got.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:26 AM 6/9/96, C Matthew Curtin wrote: >Given that the US State Department classifies strong crypto as >munitions, is it possible that any laws passed outlawing the use of >strong crypto among US citizens could be declared unconsitutional, in >violation of the second amendment? > >Are there any legal precedents that apply here? Is the question purely >academic (i.e., no such laws exist, no such bills are in the works, or >none have been tried)? Does anyone know of any laws on the books that >might be relevant to my question? I recall that this general issue was discussed several times on the "Cyberia-l" mailing list, a list consisting mostly of law professors, lawyers, law students, and a bunch of Cypherpunks. (I left that list several months back.) Some points: 1. There are currently no laws restricting crypto use in the U.S., save for some special circumstances (e.g., sending code over the ham radio band). There being no laws, no courts have been asked to rule on such laws. (I don't mean to sound confusing and circular here. The point is that the boundaries of a law get shaped when the law is tested. Inasmuch as there have been no laws about domestic use of crypto, we have little guidance as to how the courts will frame arguments should such a law ever be passed.) 2. Most advocates for a continued right to use strong crypto have used the First Amendment centrally. That is, "encrypted speech is still speech." Any demand that speech conform to government standards would run into the basic point that Congress is not to make such laws. I believe this approach is the strongest one. Even if there are some limits on speech (a la the infamous "falsely shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theater" example), this sort of limit does not limit the _form_ of speech. (Quibblers may point out other such limits, even some on _form_. For example, speech at 95 dB is OK, but "speech" at a jet-engine level of 135 dB is not. I won't get into such quibbles here.) Casting a pro-crypto argument in terms of the Second Amendment ("encrypted speech is a weapon") opens the door to all kinds of potential arguments for restricting access to crypto. Think of all the various limits on firearms ownership and use: certain calibers and types are restricted, the shapes of firearms are controlled, special taxes are often required, waiting periods for purchase, no ownership by convicted felons, no possession on or near schoolgrounds, bullet types are controlled, limits on magazine capacity, no possession of biological weapons, etc. etc. etc. I don't think we want crypto controlled by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, do we? --Tim May Boycott "Big Brother Inside" software! We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, we know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: [NOISE] Re: RFD: Time to kick some anti-scientologist ass?
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10:52 PM 6/8/96 CST, roy(a)sendai.scytale.com wrote: [snip] >Am I the only one whose ironometer just pegged? Actually, now that you mention it, mine is pegged. I hadn't noticed, because I was busy trying to recalibrate my bullshit detector which was off the fucking dial. LD's post is full of shit. David Gerard, Jon Noring, and Ron Newman are not "flamers." People who have even lurked there for a short while should know this. I've seen Ron urge people towards compassionate behavior on a.r.s. more than just about anyone on a.r.s. It's a bit hard to be compassionate when you're dealing with a group that uses every means at its disposal to silence its critics. I don't even think Nauta is on a.r.s., except for perhaps an occasional crosspost or two. Perhaps he lurks, but he doesn't post there to any significant extent. I don't know of any "Anti-Scientologists" who are forging cancels. I really doubt anyone would have checked with Dimitri first, though :) JEM did issue a bunch of cancels, as have some of the ISPs whose services have been abused. We have been inundated with over 12,000 "vertical spam" posts since May 19th, and it's still coming in. Many of these posts are repetitions of the same materials, and must be well over the BI by now. "Anti-Scientologists" have discussed various technological methods of dealing with the spam (cross-posted to news.admin.net-abuse), but no plan has been seized upon due to lack of consensus. I've written an article in the latest issue of my zine about the spam, if people would like more info. URL in my sig. Rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbp6fYT0GKfZRA/9AQFGVgQAvvH4Fa8nwF6qbqHGVuKfO2uv0Ynw388Z 0QxO42wIzt9VrNckRvn+geYFRRYu9DoasGCw8imQqBN85OY3OasjpOIycyQnrjEW C3MqyP44esuyThI6Ds30bwFYc4rP+ZWFWp1rmgv3LmYAaPdh1dAwtzPsKzy4N4NF 0pLAsusDr9k= =PSIh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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Re: Asendmail Status & Politikal Rant
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Addressed to: Ben Holiday <ncognito(a)gate.net> Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> ** Reply to note from Ben Holiday <ncognito(a)gate.net> 05/29/96 10:30pm -0400 as to the politiks --if we do not standup now, we will not even be able to speak up later. there is no question that every means of confronting a totalitarian driven government apparati must be developed, and the means of impletation well known. the only safety is in numbers; and, yes, some of the "brethern" will fall. anymore than the aging Chinese despots were able to contain the news of Tinnamin square, and I stood at the corner by the Forbidden City as it was starting to form, despots everywhere are faced with the same problem. in China, the free speach and democracy protestors faced enormous technological and communication deficiencies --so far, we do not. -- The result of today's 'government' is new world disorder, unfolding at warp velocity.

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You bet they have/are: NSA/CIA to snoop INSIDE the U.S.???
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** Reply by attila to note from Anonymous User <nobody(a)c2.org> 06/08/96 5:05pm -0700 anyone who believes the FBI and a host of other U.S. agencies even less scrupulous does not wiretap without permits, has been standing behind the door. generally, it does not matter if the information learned is admissable in court --they never admit wiretapping in the first place as the agency themselves, in many cases, *did*not*wiretap* --but the agency does buy info from usually unsavory "contractors" who do wiretap. as for the NSA/CIA spying on US citizens --they dont, they spy on British citizens with facilities provided by M5 and M6. in return, British M5/6 agents spy on U.S. citizens from Langely or Gaithersberg, or wherever. The fact they just happen to share information is an "accident." so, why legalize it? --if it aint broke, don't fix it. when the great sleeping, well-fed dog awakes in slavery, they will look for the "false"-prophets who have long since been purged by the adversary government --and fools like Baker-Halle will be in power (temporarily). --- original post by anon-remailer --- = : This is a fucking big story. = : Allowing the CIA and NSA to snoop domestically, and using only a handful of = : suspicions and anecdotes about cybernastiness and evil cryptohackers to = : justify this major policy shift -- well, it's fucking amazing. = : Nunn's proposal, unfortunately, was more than a "suggestion." = = This is very serious. Why has there not been more discussion about = this on the list? = = How close/far is this from becoming law? = = If they are now trying to make it legal for the CIA and NSA to snoop = inside the US I would guess that it's happening already. Remember = wiretaps? Do it now and they will make it legal later. -- The result of today's 'government' is new world disorder, unfolding at warp velocity.

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RE: [NOISE] Buying whales with digicash Re: Anonymous stock trades.
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: hallam(a)Etna.ai.mit.edu How to save the whales is a logical outcome of Friedman's thesis that markets are everything. It is unfortunately very common for great men to get megalomania and believe they have the solution to the worlds problems in one theory. The flaw in Perry's "stakeholder" theory is the same one in many academic theories. It assumes that most people are smart enough to realise their true interests. It assumes that people take a longer term look than they do. ................................................................................................ A point about the free market: Those "great men" who advocate it realize that one theory may not solve the world's problems, that individuals themselves can come up with the answers to their own problems. Instead of other people's theories and solutions being imposed upon them, individuals are seen as capable of interacting with each other and making decisions and trades in the market of choices made available through commercial enterprise, thus involving themselves in the discovery, pursuit, and satisfaction of their true interests. It doesn't assume that because people's judgements can be flawed and that they can make mistakes, that therefore others (governments & other authoritative types) have the right to step in and determine for them how their dreams should be realized. .. Blanc

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middleman status
by Middle Man 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Damn!! A corrupted reply block! Anyway, the middleman remailer seems to be functional again. Give it a try and see if it works for you. The middleman remailer will respond to both middle-man(a)alpha.c2.org and middle-man(a)nym.jpunix.com. I will eventually drop one of the nyms in favor of the more robust nym server. I've tested it and it works for me. Please let me know if you have problems. middle-man-admin(a)alpha.c2.org middle-man-admin(a)nym.jpunix.com

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Re: Anonymous stock trades.
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:25 AM 6/8/96 +0200, Asgaard wrote: > Who is going to assure that someone has an ownership stake in the > Humpback Whales? The World Government? Brand them and herd them like open range cattle: The west did not need a government to do that, though they did need to hang a few folk who favored a different method of open ranging. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bryce wrote (whilst on his high horse): > Hm. I think the best we could hope for is along the lines of > "The suspect subscribed to the 'Cypherpunks' discussion group on > the Internet, but his violent views were rejected by the members > of the group." Not every member of this list rejects his views. I for one do not reject them outright, but will not defend his views publically for fear of embarassing the corporation that I work for. I do not reject Jim Bell's violent views for the simple reason that violence is often required to fight violence. In other words, the best you can hope for is "... but his violent views were rejected by some members of the group." > It is important that the reporter manages to _not_ use the word > "member" to indicate that Bell is a "member" of Cypherpunks. He *is* a member. And why shouldn't he be? Are you suggesting that this group become moderated? (hiss). The whole AP concept is very relevent to the Cypherpunks, whether the majority like it or not. > I think that conversing with Bell, or publically replying to him > at all, even to insult him, makes him more of a "member" and > makes his pet topic more a part of cypherpunks, both in appearance > and in substance. So don't do it. That means you, too, > Black Unicorn. At _least_ you can take it to private e-mail in > order to prevent the reporters from getting the wrong idea, and > in order to spare the rest of us the tedium of deleting the > messages. No platform for lunatics??? If there is one thing that a Cypherpunk should have learned during his time in the group, is that the answer to hate speech (or violent speech, or whatever you wish to call it) is more speech. If your fear is that reporters will get hold of the wrong end of the stick, then perhaps you are correct, but the real problem is the *reporters*, not the attitude of the Cypherpunks. blame them. propose a solution. (how about abolition of all libel laws?) > This is assuming that the statement "his violent views were > rejected by the members of the group" is actually true! If > there _is_ anyone else here who shares Bell's evil enthusiasms, > I strongly encourage you to begin a new list dedicated to that > topic. I disagree with the phrase "evil enthusiasms." Bell is not an evil man. A little crazy perhaps, but not evil. If you bothered to listen to him, you would find that his aim is to create a "better" world, where people (especially politicians) are very much more responsible for their own actions. He suggests that the number of deaths due to AP will be less that the number of deaths due to the current corrupt system. think about it. how many on this group would have another man killed for his views? For his noisy stereo? For a competive advantage in business? I am confident the answer will be zero. On the other hand, I would gladly throw in a few dollars to have certain politicians killed. gladly. and I will be able to sleep at night. I will sleep better knowing that, although I was partly responsible for a mans death, I will have saved countless others (a bit like dropping an a-bomb on Japan). Question for Jim - would you resort to AP to have Bryce popped off? Question for Bryce - would you resort to AP to have Jim popped off?

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Re: Anti-Scientologists
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > > >1. There's a gang of flamers (David Gerard, Jon Noring, Ron Newman, Rob J. > >Nauta, and the like) who try to stop $cientologists from discussing their > >religion on the Usenet newsgroup alt.religion.scientology. Most of them are > >disgruntled former cult members and/or members of other similar cults. > > Untruth #1. Aside from the "religion" red herring you tossed in (it's a cult), the critics expose the lies, doubletalk and inconsistencies posted by cult apolo Truth #1: It is a religion Truth #2: It is no longer a cult, since the leader is dead.

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Re: [Off-Topic] "Curfews"
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:03 AM 6/9/96 +0000, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >On 8 Jun 96 at 12:40, jim bell wrote: >> As you can see, this is one of the big difficulties that people can >> have understanding AP: Since it changes just about everything about >> how a society works, you can't analyze it "easily" using your >> built-up knowledge of societies. > >Actually, it makes one realize that society and the "collective" is >nothing, that the basic building block is the individual. If you >analyse the motivation of the individual, AP is not difficult to >understand. It is, however, hard to separate out all the familiar assumptions we make about the world based on the current way of doing things. > >> As I've said so many times before, AP is like a political Rorschach >> test: Your reaction to it is strongly related to your political >> philosophy. That's part of the magic. > >Please stay out of magic. The actual politician are enough into it. Well, I was speaking hyperbolically. (hyperbole.) Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Minority vs. majority
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:40 PM 6/8/96 EDT, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: >> You haven't seen _real_ corrupt officials. :) > >Jim - could corrupt gov't official hide behind anonymity too? >E.g., a particularly obnoxious gov't regulation being issued from >behind anon remailer? Regulation issued? Sure. Regulation _enforced_? Far more difficult! Maybe even impossible, when considered over the entire population. I've been considering this for a long time, and I came to the conclusion that you really can't enforce regulations dictated by a small fraction of the population onto the large majority. Enforcing a regulation costs effort. (money? time? people?) People are not going to put in this kind of effort unless they feel strongly about an issue. It would be possible for a large majority to enforce a standard of behavior on a tiny minority ("rules" against theft and other common crime) but this will work only if the average individual is willing to donate money to see those general rules enforced. Over time, few people will donate money to see victimless crimes (drugs, gambling, prostituion) enforced, for instance. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Thank you for the Archives 100 messages
by qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> This isn't true. I don't believe in killfiles. Being on my twit list simply > means that you're entitled to a brief acknowledgement of every message you How polite, like a Courtesy_Copy. Thanks! > send me. Skippy was added after he sent me the 3MB results from the > rec.music.white-power vote as a rather limp mailbombing attempt (free clue: > it takes a lot more than that to make a dent in our bandwidth or disk > space); see http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/potw2/rec.music.white-powder for > that email. Liar. Since they got rid of the old Bell, Stanford is as good as Netcom in their top level functions, I retreived the above page in a few seconds, it's the terminals and stuff which cause the problems. You, for instance, only use Micro$oft, so you lose out on the use of Stanford's T3's, which I use all the time whenever I'm logged in to Netcom. As if there's anybody stupid enough to use Micro$oft for networking, much less Dial-ups! > > somebody has placed a global cancel bot on I was wrong, I was just Dicked a few forge-cancels. He got angry of course, when I added misc.test, which means he can't continue to forge-cancel without quickly alerting me. > > me. I'm gonna have plenty of fun figuring > > this out. Kwow any good sniffers? > > The one that used to be running on darth.stanford.edu was pretty good. > Since February 22nd, I've working on the assumption that everything I do > unencrypted is public. I would revoke my PGP key, but I never used it much > for receiving mail anyway, and I'm not sure that it was found. You could explain to us what you are talking about, but that would threaten your B1!?3 status. > > I agree the list should be public usenet: > > A mail gate-way to a usenet group that > > ALSO permits unmoderated posts. This > > would be a nice way to combine a strict > > moderated mail-list, with a standard > > netnews group. Great idea. For stormfront. BTW, can you forge-request another archives for me? I saw a couple of letters before losing the rest. I'm trying to work novell dos with linux and making a general mess of things. Picked up an unwrapped copy for $40, is that a good deal? > Gee, what a great idea! Why hasn't anyone thought of that? hks.net, for > example. Unfortunately, there are too many copyright terrorists here. Never noticed it. > There's a tradeoff between freedom and visibility. As astute readers are > aware, hks.net had to take down the archives after WSJ made a threat that > was a little too credible. Never noticed it. You folks are just so damned paranoid. The government's not out to get you, just help you. > -rich > > -- Kill Your Television

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Re: your mail
by qut＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, harman.david wrote: > > > This sat's no good fo' me. > > Is Jul 13 OK? > > I've got the ResNet conference that week, and I'll probably need to recover. > It might be fun to meet you at some Tuesday night boink. I'll buy you a > beer. I've got gay friends, but I don't boink them. And, I used to be a nice guy, but I quit drugs. BTW, what does it cost to get a dedicated T3? Would it cost more than a vacation? > > Again, I'm only interested in the implementation, > > the ongoing discussion about legal liability, > > is fairly bogus, I, Black Unicorn, and many others, > > have already declared we would go face to face > > with the law. > > To what was this a reference? Crypto-Anonyminity vs. the law and Co$. "In the national socialist paradise, there is no law" -- Kill Your Television

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No Subject
by winn＠Infowar.Com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Class III InfoWar Part 2 Report from Europe FEEL FREE TO DISTRIBUTE WIDELY I am ostensibly on vacation with my wife and two children ages 11 & 5 : Here we are in Venice, Italy but I can't ignore what seems to be going on in England. American media does not appear to be following it. So here 's what is happening. Headline of June 9, 1996 Sunday Times in London reads: "Secret Inquiry into Cyber Terror." This is a follow-up of last Sundays story about alleged extortion attacks against British financial institutions using Trojan Horses and /or HERF Guns. According to today's article, the British government is holding secret investigations into the "attacks" for more than two years involving the Dept. of Trade and Industry (DTI), government communications headquarters (GCHQ), the Brits NSA, The Defence Research Agency (DRA), and the Bank of England. On June 8, the DTI issued a public statement which included : "We are very interested in the allegations of extortion directed at City of London institutions which were brought to our attention in 1994. We responded then by involving many government organizations ... so far we have not been presented with any hard evidence from victims. We would urge those threatened to come forward." DTI Director of Technical Affairs, David Hendon wrote a letter in May 1995 saying they took the extortion issue "Extremely seriously." The Times' reporter's say they have seen some of the evidence that was submitted to DTI and GCHQ which includes a chart on 46 of the attacks. According to the article DRA Senior Director, Professor David Parks, his agency is " especially interested in the "weaponry" deployed by the cyber terrorists." The Tmes continued : "The agency (DRA) believes high intensity radio frequency "HIRF" guns may have been used to black out trading positions in City finance houses. The weapon disables a computer by firing elctromagnetic radiation at it and is a "Black Programme" at the Defence Ministry, one of the highest security classification levels." In Dec. Of 1995, the DRA and Parks approached a company who specializes in information warfare and asked them to "arrange a demonstration of a portable HIRF weapon in Germany." The article further states that details on the HIRF systems and their use in the City of London have been compiled by a British computer magazine and are being passed onto government officials. ***** I have spoken to more than fifty media in the last week about this story: The comments range from "suspicious" of the British reports, "sounds psy -fi", "alarming", "scary" and the like. Even though I am on vacation (Ha!) I called a few of my expert friends for a sanity check and here is what we have to say. * The alleged software attacks mentioned in last weeks article are more likely the weapon than HERF/HIRF attacks that todays' article focuses on. * "Given the kind of systems they use and their connectivity, I can figure a hundred ways to do what the article say" one of my experts stated. * As for the HERF/HIRF we have worked out a number of models for a number for the attacks scenarios mentioned, but we have a targeting problem. A free-space (air) based attacked would create a wide dispersion pattern and likely have effected other organizations not just those specifically under attack. * A ground plane attack might cause the alleged results but requires more physical access to the facility. A few thoughts of the potential motivations: * Were the alleged attacks meant as a malicious Denial of Service (DNS) attack or as a profit scheme? * Were trading volumes and the stock prices of the alleged victims effected during the times in question? * Was internal profit taking an ulterior motive ? * I have to keep in mind if we give these stories credence, that over 50% of computer crimes involve insiders. According to my British friends, the Sunday Times is preparing even more on this story which will appear next Sunday - when I will be in London to get it back to you within minutes. So, the kids are fine. "Thanks for asking." My life is almost relaxed, and we are now headed into the Alps for a leisurely 8 hr drive and will spend the night at the Jungfrau. "Damn, it's raining. It will have to be beer and sauerkraut." In the meantime, contact betty(a)infowar.com at Interpact for comments and interviews. Back at your later! Winn Schwartau Peace Winn Winn Schwartau - Interpact, Inc. Information Warfare and InfoSec V: 813.393.6600 / F: 813.393.6361 Winn(a)InfoWar.Com

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Re: [NOISE] Re: RFD: Time to kick some anti-scientologist ass?
by Rich Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09:34 AM 6/9/96 EDT, LD wrote: >Rich Burroughs <richieb(a)teleport.com> writes: >> I don't know of any "Anti-Scientologists" who are forging cancels. > >Check out the Lasarus reports on alt.religion.scientology -- 5000 lines, >6000 lines, 7000 lines... Gee, those poor CoS posters you mention must be pretty busy to generate that many messages (which were then canceled). Homer adjusted Lazarus, and the last I knew the reports didn't have enough info for anyone to tell who the sender of the cancel was. Here's an example from back on the 5th: - - ---------------------------------------------------------- Mon Jun 3 19:45:33 EDT 1996 Lazarus V2.3 lightlink.com/var/spool/news/control/1501139 Article: 176082 From: info(a)ars.com (ARS FAQ) Date: 1 Jun 1996 17:34:29 GMT Subject: Bryan Wilson - Diversity Among Religions: A Modern Example. Message-ID: <4opuv5$6s0(a)mordred.cc.jyu.fi> Control: cancel <4opuv5$6s0(a)mordred.cc.jyu.fi> - - ---------------------------------------------------------- Homer condensed them to one post, as they were just exacerbating the spam clutter. I wish he'd have left more info in them. To be honest, I haven't paid that much attention to them in the last few days, since it's impossible to tell from them who issued the cancel. If you know who is forging cancels you might want to share with me, but I honestly don't. The only people I am aware of who have been canceling have been JEM and some of the ISPs involved. Vague accusations against "Anti-Scientologists" don't really tell me much. >> really doubt anyone would have checked with Dimitri first, though :) > >The forged cancels started a short time after one prominent anti-scentologist >flamer e-mailed me and asked for a copy of my cancelbot. (The first time I've >seen him being quasi-polite! :-) The cancels look like they came from my 'bot, >and are directed at _anything posted by certain Co$ supporters. I haven't seen any of the actual cancels, and I wouldn't know how to identify them as being from your bot. Those "certain Co$ supporters" are all probably one person who's telnetting to open NNTP ports and forging thousands of messages a day. The posts are all obviously produced by a script (pulling info mainly from the CoS book _What is Scientology_), and they are not anything even in the neighborhood of an honest attempt at communication. It's Net abuse, and I think you must be trolling if you don't see that. Should have known you'd go where the action is :) >I don't care about the bizarre religion views of the present or former cult >members, but forging cancels makes you as much of a slime as Co$. The messages that are being canceled are forgeries. They are a result of an abuse of service. That isn't at all the same as CoS canceling due to content. Those poor "certain Scientologists" you mentioned have produced over 12,000 forged messages, which are actually only a small number of articles that are being continually reposted. Most must be way over the BI. I'm not crying a river for them. >I note that you chose to ignore the cypherpunks-relevant portion of my question >- that the anti-scientologists have been abusing the cypherpunks remailers. Wow. Good thing that there was a relevant portion, huh. :) Sorry I missed it. I have some mixed feelings about the CoS materials that were posted through the remailers. I'm sorry that Hacktic was shut down, but I don't think that was the intent of the people who posted those materials. They were blowing the whistle on a criminal organization. I can't honestly say whether I think their actions were "right" or not. In any case, the actions you've described were committed by a handful of people. There are hundreds of Anti-Scientologists who post to a.r.s., and many more who lurk. Probably less than 5 have done wholesale posting of copyrighted materials, (beyond what would be considered "fair use") and most of them didn't even use remailers. Scamizdat being the big exception. I'm assuming that your anti-"Anti-Scientologist" screed is just an attempt to get people riled up. Having fun? Rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMbsypoT0GKfZRA/9AQF62wP/TUdUKXwAgO7irnE08P5mSP1K+MNP0Ukb ZqZPCKmWxrtHql/a3E7dYquQ0fp9fCe4a+d/TyvJQFAc3/LS/6/Qb6nkOB0HqSP5 +9URNIJPgBVRigxbL0m9ZJS6zzw9+ewRi6mu1wxaaHlPE/QDjZZnfKJi8bjcMUCk Ap7kN+sw8GQ= =jIEl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ______________________________________________________________________ Rich Burroughs richieb(a)teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~richieb See my Blue Ribbon Page at http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/blueribbon New EF zine "cause for alarm" - http://www.teleport.com/~richieb/cause

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by winn＠Infowar.Com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Class III InfoWar Part 2 Report from Europe FEEL FREE TO DISTRIBUTE WIDELY I am ostensibly on vacation with my wife and two children ages 11 & 5 : Here we are in Venice, Italy but I can't ignore what seems to be going on in England. American media does not appear to be following it. So here 's what is happening. Headline of June 9, 1996 Sunday Times in London reads: "Secret Inquiry into Cyber Terror." This is a follow-up of last Sundays story about alleged extortion attacks against British financial institutions using Trojan Horses and /or HERF Guns. According to today's article, the British government is holding secret investigations into the "attacks" for more than two years involving the Dept. of Trade and Industry (DTI), government communications headquarters (GCHQ), the Brits NSA, The Defence Research Agency (DRA), and the Bank of England. On June 8, the DTI issued a public statement which included : "We are very interested in the allegations of extortion directed at City of London institutions which were brought to our attention in 1994. We responded then by involving many government organizations ... so far we have not been presented with any hard evidence from victims. We would urge those threatened to come forward." DTI Director of Technical Affairs, David Hendon wrote a letter in May 1995 saying they took the extortion issue "Extremely seriously." The Times' reporter's say they have seen some of the evidence that was submitted to DTI and GCHQ which includes a chart on 46 of the attacks. According to the article DRA Senior Director, Professor David Parks, his agency is " especially interested in the "weaponry" deployed by the cyber terrorists." The Tmes continued : "The agency (DRA) believes high intensity radio frequency "HIRF" guns may have been used to black out trading positions in City finance houses. The weapon disables a computer by firing elctromagnetic radiation at it and is a "Black Programme" at the Defence Ministry, one of the highest security classification levels." In Dec. Of 1995, the DRA and Parks approached a company who specializes in information warfare and asked them to "arrange a demonstration of a portable HIRF weapon in Germany." The article further states that details on the HIRF systems and their use in the City of London have been compiled by a British computer magazine and are being passed onto government officials. ***** I have spoken to more than fifty media in the last week about this story: The comments range from "suspicious" of the British reports, "sounds psy -fi", "alarming", "scary" and the like. Even though I am on vacation (Ha!) I called a few of my expert friends for a sanity check and here is what we have to say. * The alleged software attacks mentioned in last weeks article are more likely the weapon than HERF/HIRF attacks that todays' article focuses on. * "Given the kind of systems they use and their connectivity, I can figure a hundred ways to do what the article say" one of my experts stated. * As for the HERF/HIRF we have worked out a number of models for a number for the attacks scenarios mentioned, but we have a targeting problem. A free-space (air) based attacked would create a wide dispersion pattern and likely have effected other organizations not just those specifically under attack. * A ground plane attack might cause the alleged results but requires more physical access to the facility. A few thoughts of the potential motivations: * Were the alleged attacks meant as a malicious Denial of Service (DNS) attack or as a profit scheme? * Were trading volumes and the stock prices of the alleged victims effected during the times in question? * Was internal profit taking an ulterior motive ? * I have to keep in mind if we give these stories credence, that over 50% of computer crimes involve insiders. According to my British friends, the Sunday Times is preparing even more on this story which will appear next Sunday - when I will be in London to get it back to you within minutes. So, the kids are fine. "Thanks for asking." My life is almost relaxed, and we are now headed into the Alps for a leisurely 8 hr drive and will spend the night at the Jungfrau. "Damn, it's raining. It will have to be beer and sauerkraut." In the meantime, contact betty(a)infowar.com at Interpact for comments and interviews. Back at your later! Winn Schwartau Peace Winn Winn Schwartau - Interpact, Inc. Information Warfare and InfoSec V: 813.393.6600 / F: 813.393.6361 Winn(a)InfoWar.Com

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by karri19＠idt.liberty.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Whalepunks, Marginpunks, Gunpunks, Clintonpunks, and Politics
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:09 PM 6/8/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >First, a Smith and Wesson is not what the tots should be carrying. An MP-5K >would fit nicely in their bookpacks (especially now that all yuppie kids >carry de rigeur designer backpacks, though mostly for designer water). More >firepower. >My point of view is that while schools should be free of guns, adult >citizens should probably have access to guns. There are, sadly, nutty >people who will use nearly any available weapon to commit mayhem and mass >murder. Rifles, shotguns, axes, knives... And to bring things back somewhat to cypherpunk (or at least technopunk)issues, weapons control (like other forms of regulation) is defeated by technology. Last week's Economist had an article on the first commercially available 3D "printers" or desktop fabrication stations. A bit hard to control weapons when one can just print off a few. In addition other technical advances are bound to put a host of weapons in everyone's hands. You can't disarm a technically advanced population. Too many tools can be adapted to kill. This being the case, you should allow your society to adapt to this reality by getting people used to the concept of self defense, small group defense, and behaving oneself in public. >Remember, "Guns don't kill people, postal workers do." In fact, in 1995 the term to go "postal" entered the vocabulary. As in the sentence "LD went postal and wiped out the whole ballet class." Another Cypherpunks angle lies in the fact that fans of "going postal" have also noted that 14 is a Schelling point for the number of victims of one of these massacres. I wonder why that is? Magazine size? >In general, I think Phill raises some good points about the efficiency of >free markets. However, I doubt that Cypherpunks is the proper forum for >debating economic theory, for various reasons. I lean strongly toward the >free market side, inasmuch as I think most non-free market economies are >actually just cases where the government controls the _single_ corporation >they let run an industry, and thus one gets a worse situation that with the >grossest excesses of capitalism. I always ask the commies how they can guarantee that political complications won't interfere with the perfect implementations of their no doubt superior five year plans. I can guarantee that the commissar's brother-in-law will go bankrupt (if he deserves to) under capitalism. How can they guarantee that under socialism? >However, the reason many of us don't jump in and write defenses of free >markets here (and I would not have except to make my transhumanist joke--so >sue me) is that this list is not "Libernet" nor any of the similar >political discussion lists. Also it's not necessary since markets can take care of themselves these days. "History is on our side." "We will bury you." "The Multinational unites the human race." "Di-electrical materialism dooms both the ancien regime and state capitalism." etc. DCF "A free market is what you get when people are free."

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Re: US: Domestic Encryption Protected by US Constitution?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:36 PM 6/8/96 -0700, Timothy C. May wrote: >I don't think we want crypto controlled by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, >and Firearms, do we? That'd be the BATFC. To be called "bat fuck" in the popular press (but not on the post-CDA Net). DCF "If you have a job opening in a cool climate for an experienced technical author with a solid understanding of cryptography, write to me."

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Gore opposes unwarranted'' Internet censorship
by Joseph M. Reagle Jr. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sounds good but I had to laugh when I heard it... is he at odds with other members of the administration, or is this rhetoric? > CAMBRIDGE, Mass (Reuter) - Vice President Al Gore said >Friday society should not resort to ``unwarranted censorship'' >on the Internet as an overreaction to protect children from >objectionable material in cyperspace. > In a commencement address at the Massachusetts Institute of >Technology, Gore said government had to assist parents in >protecting their children from exposure to such material. > ``But let me also state my clear and unequivocal view that a >fear of chaos cannot justify unwarranted censorship of free >speech, whether that speech occurs in newspapers, on the >broadcast airwaves -- or over the Internet.'' > ``Our best reaction to the speech we loathe is to speak out, >to reject, to respond, even with emotion and fervor, but to >censor -- no. That has not been our way for 200 years, and it >must not become our way now,'' he said. > In February, President Clinton signed the Communications >Decency Act, which bans making indecent material available to >minors over computer networks. > The American Civil Liberties Union and the American Library >Association have filed suit in a Philadelphia court challenging >the law as unconstitutional, saying it would stifle a broad >range of speech. > In his address at the MIT, Gore stressed the gulf separating >society and science, a theme students had suggested in e-mail >messages to the vice president. He said new technologies >initially break down stable patterns and ``then new ones emerge >at a higher degree of complexity. > ``Societies are vulnerable to misinterpreting the first >stage as a descent into chaos and then overreacting with the >imposition of a rigid, stagnating order,'' Gore told the 2,000 >graduates in an outdoor ceremony. > > > _______________________ Regards, Real generosity toward the future lies in giving all to the present. - Albert Camus Joseph Reagle http://farnsworth.mit.edu/~reagle/home.html reagle(a)mit.edu E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E

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Re: Anonymous stock trades.
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:15 AM -0400 6/9/96, jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: >> Brand [the whales] and herd them like open range cattle: The west did not >> need a government to do that, though they did need to hang a few >> folk who favored a different method of open ranging. At 09:02 AM 6/9/96 -0400, Robert Hettinga wrote: > Ah. Transponders. Could blind-sign 'em. Maritime specific-identity > accounting. Trade 'em on the open market. Actual anonymous er, stock, > ownership? Whale-meat futures on the hoof, er, fin? Thanks for this clarification: I fear my post had a lot of people thinking of whalers sitting around a sagebrush campfire heating extremely large irons red hot. Really large irons. Really, really, really large irons. And a really big sagebrush campfire. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: Report from Germany on "backdoor" net-censorship
by um＠c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[German institutions' cancelling pornography, violence and Nazi propaganda on Usenet will certainly have large international impact. Thus I strongly suggest that you ask <summa(a)eco.de> for an official translation. I cannot guarantee for this rough translation to be correct. -- Ulf] From: summa(a)eco.de ("Harald A. Summa") Press Release, June 5, 1996 Internet Media Counsil presents fist measurements for Voluntary Self-Control [Voluntary Self-Control is the doublespeak term for censorship on pornography, violence, etc. It is, of course, not voluntary. um] The leading Internet Serive Providers, on whose initiave the Internet Medienrat, have deciced to found the Internet Content Task Force (ICTF) for the purposes of Voluntary Self-Control. The ICTF will introduce technical and organizational measurements to put up effective control against contents harmful to minors and national-socialist propaganda material. As a first step, the ICTF occupy itself with the News service, and later with other forms of content transport in the Internet as well. The Internet Content Task Force will supply a news server specificially configured for purposes of self-control at DE-CIX, the national data exchange point of the Internet Service Providers. Proof of origin of critical articles will be processed by the server, archived in a data base observing privacy laws, and stored at a central facility. Furthermore, sample news articles will be suject to detailed legal evaluation. Should this result in suspicion or proof of transportation of illegal contents, the ICTF can launch various steps to work against propagation of these contents. For example, it can arrange for blocking of complete newsgroups or retrospect "Cancel" of articles already transmitted. ICTF can direct possible criminal investigation with help of its data base. Criteria for the ICTF's proceed will be developed, evaluated and continuously updated by the Internet Medienrat. As an independant gremium, the Internet Medienrat tries to achieve a social consensus in the use of online media without government [sic! um] censorship. The formation of the Internet Medienrat, which is currently preparing its working basis, is being pushed ahead by Prof. Goetze, COE of Springer Verlag Heidelberg, and eco Electronic Commerce Forum e.V. It will present its members and organization to the public on September 19, 1996. >From govenment side, the Internet Medienrat is supported by the Federal Ministry of Economy. Min. of Economy Rexroth: "I appreciate the German online industry's initiative to found an Internet Media Counsil as a gremium of Voluntary Self-Control." Background Information on the Internet Content Task Force (ICTF) The problem of protection of minors and of spreading national-socialist ideas in the new media - especially on the Internet - is currently being discussed intensively and controversially. Meanwhile, politics and investigation authorities have begun to proceed against the distribution of illegal contents the the Internet. In the past weeks, the press has been reporting intensively about investigations against large service providers. However, the current legal situation gives few starting points for coordinated proceeding. Lawyers cannot even agree on who can and should be punished for distributing contents relevant to criminal law on the Internet. Depending on standpoint and interests, even noted criminal lawyers hold different views. Some do not consider distribution of pornography and national-socialist writings in electronic form punishable at all, others even want to hold service providers responsible for mere transportation of data. Mediating opionions imply that only the author of the message be punishable. The only strong fact in the complete discussion is that the matter -- as always in difficult dogmatic questions in penal law -- will finally be decided by courts. It is also a fact that the true authors of illegal messages -- especially those with an especially high criminal energy -- can be determined only with great difficulty, so that the threat of punishment insofar is void. The solution to this problem is being complicated by the continuing political discussion and superposed by other question complexes. For example, the states regard new media as an extension of their traditional radio regulation competence. They are trying to ensure future influence by an extensive interpretation of the constitutional regulation of competences and the laws and state treaties based on it. The draft State Treaty on Media Services that applies to the whole field of Internet and online services is one result of these reasonings. To create facts in this field, the state treaty shall be passed soon. Lead by the "Future" Ministry, the federation is also working on legal framework for new information and communication services to comprehensively cover the subject. The Ministry of Interior on its side is concerned with restricting Freedom of Communication with priority. This activity has already resulted in the novel Wiretap Law and the Telecommunication Surveillance Decree. Further laws, especially a ban on crytography, are planned. On the European level, a working group initiated on the last G7 conference, is trying to achive international consesus. Legal clarification, which is strictly needed but with still open result, is faced by fear of censorship and too wide-reaching government interference. Since a long time, the leading German Internet Service Providers have been trying to solve the now openly visible conflict betreen the "Information Police State" and the "Anarchy in the Net" as feared by politics. Thus they have propagated founding a Voluntary Self-Control and initiated the formation of an Internet Medienrat. As a further buiding stone, the Internet Content Task Force (ICTF) is now being put to existence. This shall also work against the impression that the main purpose of the Internet were distributiong extremist and pornographic contents. At least this was the result of numerous -- often badly researched -- reports in the recent weeks. They did neither differenciate between the Internet services (Mail, News, WWW, Chat and others), nor present the relation of doubtlessly useful and the less desired contents. ICTF now turns towards the problem in a much more refined way. There, it first will occupy itself with the currently probably most critcal part of the Internet, the so-called News service. The special problem of the News service is that information can be distributed world-wide, yet anonymously. This is different of at least fundamentally more difficult in other parts of the Internet, so that the volume of critical content in the News is comparably high. The ICTF will register the information availible on the origin of news and store them in a data base as to make it possible to determine who has sent an article or disguised the real author's identity, in retrospect. The data base will be kept observing privavy laws and third parties' protection-deserving interests [the Privacy Law puts limits on databases with "protection-deserving" personal information, um]. To avoid abuse, the data will regularly be exported to hard storage and deposited with an attorney. Furthermore, the existing or newly created newsgroups will be classified, so that groups serving to distribute exclusively or predominantly illegal contents can be excluded from further distribution. Sample investigation of articles and analysis of articles as necessary will also make it possible to limit the transportation of individual articles. Founding the ICTF, the Internet Service Providers accept part of the responsibility in forming a modern information society. It is clear that preventive action on a national level cannot stop illegal action on a global level. Thus, the ICTF is a model for similar initiatives in other countries, and is to be seen as an appeal to politics to make their contribution to solving the problem. Currently, the ICTF is the only perceptible approach to respect the need for "Law and Order" and yet leaves the new medium Internet with the freedom needed for futher prosperation. On the other hand, national legislator's attempts to solve the problem on its own will hardly solve the problem, but put severe damage to the economic site Germany. For one thing is clear in the virtual worlds of communication networks: Borders lose their importance, and location is no longer an issue. There is nothing to prevent an enterprise from moving its online activities to a country with less bureaucrary and legal restrictions. First tendencies for migration are already percepted. The Internet Content Task Force is supported be the following Internet Service Providers: CERFnet GmbH, Heidenrod ECRC GmbH, Muenchen, EUnet Deutschland GmbH, GTN GmbH, Krefeld, ipf.net GmbH, Frankfurt, IS/Thyssen Internet Service GmbH, Hamburg, Point of Presence, Hamburg, nacamar GmbH, Dreieich, NTG-X/link GmbH, Karlsruhe, roka GmbH, Duisburg, seicom GmbH, Pfullingen, spacenet GmbH, Muenchen. Further information can be obtained from: eco Electronic Commerce Forum e. V. c/o Harald A. Summa Schaeferkampstr. 19 44287 Dortmund Tel: +49 (0) 231 44 79 49 Fax: +49 (0) 231 44 81 35 E-Mail: summa(a)eco.de http://www.eco.de/ or attorney at law RA Michael Schneider Dickstr. 35 53773 Hennef / Sieg, Tel: +49 (0) 2242 9270-0 Fax: +49 (0) 2242 9270-99 E-Mail: Michael.Schneider(a)Anwalt.DE http://www.anwalt.de/ +++ eco - Electronic Commerce Forum e. V. c/o Harald A. Summa Schäferkampstr. 19 44287 Dortmund Tel 0231 / 44 79 49 Fax 0231 / 44 81 35 Email info(a)eco.de +++

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[NOISE] "Fascism is corporatism"
by jamesd＠echeque.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:44 AM 6/9/96 -0700, Rich Graves wrote: [A whole bunch of totally irrelevant boring distractions, amongst them]: > The Encyclopedia Brittanica says of Mussolini: > > He read widely and voraciously, if not deeply, plunging into the > philosophers and theorists Immanuel Kant and Benedict de Spinoza, Peter > Kropotkin and Friedrich Nietzsche, G.W.F. Hegel, Karl Kautsky, and Georges > Sorel, picking out what appealed to him and discarding the rest, forming no > coherent political philosophy of his own To argue that fascism has no philosophy without mentioning Maurice Barres is nearly as silly as arguing that communism has no philosophy without mentioning Marx. If you delete all reference to Fascist philosophers, you will of course come to the conclusion that fascism has no coherent philosophy. Fascism got its epistemology from Barres, and its economic theory from Sorel. Your argument is analogous to someone who argues that communism had no coherent philosophy by talking about Mao as if he had popped out of nowhere, and failing to mention Marx and Lenin. In my opinion the most coherent fascist philosopher that preceded the fascist rise to power was Maurice Barres. (Of course once fascism was on the rise, you got a bunch more fascist philosophers, most of them way to the left of Barres.) This thread in philosophy has continued to the present day, though it was abruptly renamed after the defeat of Hitler. Barres's arguments are logically and philosophically coherent, and are clearly and unambiguously recognizable as the epistemology, and much of the claptrap and rhetoric of fascism, and as the epistemology, and much of the claptrap and rhetoric of modern PC, and we can trace the philosophical thread connecting modern PC to Barres through known Nazi philosophers who not merely philosophized, but also participated actively in Hitler's regime, and to direct and immediate disciples of those philosophers, such as Derrida. > > Many of my readers will think I am excessively harsh, calling Rich > > Graves a liar rather than a fool, but I hear the above story > > (that fascism is not a coherent ideology or philosophy) primarily from > > those whose interests this story serves, and if they genuinely > > thought this story was true, they would not know that it is in their > > interests to push it. > Huh? In English, please. Perhaps I was elliptical in the above. I will restate: The claim that fascism lacks an economic program and/or a philosophy comes primarily from those whose economic program and/or philosophy bears a marked resemblance to fascism. If they were not aware of this resemblance they would not so vigorously seek to redefine fascism as military dictatorship, racism, etc. This leads me to doubt the basic human honesty of those who push this line, and their concern for human lives. > Anyway, I never suggested that there was no such thing as fascist > philosophy; just that fascism was not rooted in a well-developed ECONOMIC > ideology, Revisionism alert: I just deleted vast chunks of text from your message above where you presented negative evidence that fascism had no philosophy, and I was just thinking that maybe I had overdone it and would get flamed for deleting arguments rather than answering them. > and that Tim's definition of corporatism is incorrect both in the > abstract and in the cases of Italian fascism and Nazism. Revisionism alert: Tim gave a perfectly correct definition of corporatism, and you then proceeded to give a very similar definition, and you then proceeded to smear Tim by falsely implying that he gave a silly ignorant definition, radically different to the one he did in fact give. You also have carefully avoided mentioning Sorel, who of course advocated roughly the economic problem that Mussolini attempted to implement, that Hitler did implement, and that Timothy May condemned, long before Mussolini got of the ground. Sure sounds like an economic ideology to me. > > Not only do such concepts as feminist science, phallocentric science, > > etc, strongly resemble such concepts as aryan science, jewish science, > > etc, but they are justified using the same arguments from the same > > philosophers. Indeed Heidegger was not only a philosopher of fascism, > > but he personally participated in Hitler's terror, terrorizing his academic > > colleagues, and Paul De Man of Yale University worked directly for the > > Nazis as a propagandist in occupied Belgium. > Here James demonstrates his absolute mastery of the subject. > > Heidegger only really supported Nazism from 1933-34; in the 40's and > thereafter, he referred to Nazism as a disease. Yeah, right, And the only fifty thousand jews were murdered. :-) Historical Revisionism alert: The above is wildly implausible: You do not call Nazism a disease in Nazi Germany and live to tell of it, let alone call Nazism a disease and get appointed to the important and well paid job of terrorizing your academic colleagues. The above is also infamously false: As rector, Heidegger denounced those of his colleagues he wished murdered as jews, including his own teacher, and he organized paramilitary camps for his students, spouting martial rhetoric about the "inner truth and greatness of National Socialism," see citation below. > He is remembered as an > existentialist, not a Nazi, Historical Revisionism alert: See http://www.inlink.com/~dhchase/heidig.htm for how he is REALLY remembered. Heidegger himself claimed at the time, his political activities grew out of his philosophy, and this claim seems to me to be very obviously true. Indeed what he claimed then is equivalent to what I have been telling you in public and private email: That your ideas lead to people being murdered by the state, and therefore you should consider them more carefully. > though he did join the party when he became the > rector of Freiburg. Historical revisionism alert: His most infamous work was his laudatory speech on Hitler given when he was appointed rector of Freiburg. In addition he never disowned his works on the "jewish problem". As rector he imposed Nazism on his colleagues by the usual means. > The fact that Paul de Man, in his early years in Nazi-occupied Belgium, > wrote antisemitic propaganda for a number of local collaborationist journals > was not discovered until four years after his death (by Ortwin de Graef). The fact that Paul de Man's philosophy had a very strong resemblance to fascist philosophy was discovered considerably earlier. The fact that he also wrote the kinds of racist propaganda that are no longer politically correct was merely the icing on the cake. > By the way, I voted for Bush, and no matter how many times you contradict > me, I know I don't support the government's actions at Ruby Ridge. Revisionism alert (or perhaps in this case merely a reinterpretation alert): In previous mail you claimed it was not a government action, it was just a few FBI guys running amuck entirely on their own initiative. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"portal"} = "<hfinney(a)shell.portal.com> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"alumni"} = "<hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu> cpunk pgp hash"; $remailer{"c2"} = "<remail(a)c2.org> eric pgp hash reord"; $remailer{"penet"} = "<anon(a)anon.penet.fi> penet post"; $remailer{"flame"} = "<remailer(a)flame.alias.net> cpunk mix pgp. hash latent cut post reord"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"ecafe"} = "<cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org> cpunk mix"; $remailer{"amnesia"} = "<amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ksub"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"treehole"} = "<remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"vegas"} = "<remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"ncognito"} = "<ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> mix cpunk pgp hash latent"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (c2 alpha) (flame replay) (alumni portal) Use "premail -getkeys pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu" to get PGP keys for the remailers. Fingering this address works too. Note: The remailer list now includes information for the alpha nymserver. Last update: Mon 10 Jun 96 6:48:03 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- replay remailer(a)replay.com *+*********+ 5:38 99.97% nymrod nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com +**# 7:18 99.95% flame remailer(a)flame.alias.net ---+++++++++ 1:07:16 99.94% alumni hal(a)alumni.caltech.edu -##-*###### 8:52 99.92% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++-_.-.-+++ 9:01:40 99.88% treehole remailer(a)mockingbird.alias.net -.-_.--+-+++ 6:53:46 99.87% alpha alias(a)alpha.c2.org ++**++-++*** 43:27 99.82% ecafe cpunk(a)remail.ecafe.org ##*#**#*##.- 2:32:01 99.82% c2 remail(a)c2.org ++++----++-+ 50:04 99.80% amnesia amnesia(a)chardos.connix.com ----------- 3:25:22 99.74% vegas remailer(a)vegas.gateway.com -***+**-** * 12:10 99.57% portal hfinney(a)shell.portal.com # ##-####*## 9:04 99.37% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu ++++ +++-+++ 57:39 96.99% ncognito ncognito(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -. 5:56:16 96.90% exon remailer(a)remailer.nl.com * *+****** * 5:53 96.70% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net +# ##*#*#* + 9:32 96.44% penet anon(a)anon.penet.fi __----- 39:12:37 88.74% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com -----.---- 7:07:20 83.80% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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TST on Cyber Terror Inquiry
by jya＠pipeline.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The article Winn Schwartau cited today and a related column: ---------- The Sunday Times (London), June 9, 1996, p. 1/8 Secret DTI inquiry into cyber terror [Insight Column] The government has been holding a secret investigation into attacks by "cyber terrorists" on the City of London for more than two years. The Department of Trade and Industry (DTI), Bank of England, GCHQ, the secret listening station, and the Defence Research Agency (DRA) are involved in the inquiry. The existence of the investigation, which began in April 1994, emerged after The Sunday Times revealed last week that banks, broking firms and investment houses had paid millions of pounds to gangs that threaten to wipe out computer systems. Correspondence from the investigating authorities, seen by Insight, include letters from civil servants saying they are "extremely concerned" at the evidence of extortion demands. Yesterday the DTI issued a statement confirming the inquiry and suggesting its work had been hampered by the lack of co-operation from City institutions. "We are very interested in the allegations of extortion directed at City of London institutions which were brought to our attention in 1994. We responded then by involving many government organisations, including the DTI, the police, the Bank of England and other agencies. So far, we have not been presented with any hard evidence from victims. We would urge those threatened to come forward," a spokesman said. In one letter, dated May 1995, David Hendon, director of DTI technical affairs, wrote to a company specialising in computer security work stating that he was taking the City extortion issue "extremely seriously". Insight has since seen the evidence passed to the DTI and GCHQ which sparked the investigation. In 1994, a consultant working for a company which undertakes computer risk assessments for City institutions compiled a table of 46 attacks on banks and finance houses in New York, London and other centres, starting in January 1993. The list included details of raids on three British banks and one American investment house. The documents suggested that operations in the futures markets had been a focus for some of the attacks. Documents sent by the DRA, from the office of Professor David Parks, a senior director, indicate that the agency is especially interested in the "weaponry" deployed by the cyber terrorists. The agency believes high-intensity radio frequency (HIRF) guns may have been used to black out trading positions in City finance houses. The weapon disables a computer by firing electromagnetic radiation at it and is a "black programme" at the defence ministry, one of the highest security classification levels. Last December, Parks approached a company which specialises in defensive measures against information warfare and carries out work for GCHQ. For a L30,000 fee it was asked to arrange a demonstration of a portable HIRF weapon in Germany. Details of the HIRF weaponry and its use in the City have also been compiled by Computing magazine, which intends to pass them to the DTI and other authorities. [End] ---------- [Related column, p. 2/4] Held to ransom by superhighway-men Private Account [Column] By Jeff Randall Forget Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, the world's financial institutions have a new type of bank robber to deal with -- the cyber terrorist. Before you start thinking it sounds like science fiction, consider this: the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) this weekend confirmed there is an official investigation into "raids" by gangs of computer experts who threaten to wipe out electronic information and trading systems, unless they are paid off. The DTI spoke out after last weekend's scoop by the Sunday Times' Insight team revealing that some of London's best- known institutions have paid huge ransoms to "electronic highwaymen" to prevent the meltdown of computer networks. These revelations have sent a shiver up the spines of the City's top banks. Financiers are terrified the emergence of a gaping hole in their systems will cause a loss of investor and customer confidence -- and rightly so. Can you imagine calling your stockbroker to buy a few thousand ICI shares, only to be told its entire information bank had been blown away by a Dick Turpin with a PhD in electronic engineering? If, like me, you know nothing about computer technology, and care even less, the temptation is to dismiss the problem as the creation of Arthur C Clarke. But the DTI has acknowledged for the first time that an investigation into these "attacks" has been under way for two years. The Bank of England and GCHQ, the government's secret listening station, are working alongside the DTI in the inquiry. Agencies in Britain and America believe there have been more than 40 raids on investment firms in New York, London and other European financial centres since 1993. Victims are understood to have paid up to L13m a time after blackmailers showed their ability to bring electronic trading in shares, bonds and commodities to a halt. Futures-market systems have been a favoured target of the space-age bandits. In some cases, the blackmailers have used technology developed by military scientists. But here is the paradox: the DTI has been hampered by the reluctance of City firms involved to co-operate. Extortionists have so frightened the investment houses, they fear reprisals if they are discovered helping official agencies track down the gangs. There is also concern that an admission of the threats would diminish confidence in the banking system and create a loss of face for the victims. A banker told Insight: "You will never get a financial institution to admit it has an extortion policy, let alone that it has paid money." That begs the question: who in London has paid up? Insight has been told of at least four blue-chip firms caving in to extortionists. For the time being, we have agreed to keep certain information confidential to preserve the integrity of the institutions while the agencies investigate. But the names will eventually surface, and then there will be some serious explaining to do. [End]

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